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@  BigO : (31 October 2014 - 05:22 PM) Good. Let me know where you went and if you liked!
@  UVAObserver : (31 October 2014 - 02:42 PM) I'm at the Higher Ed. center, so those should work.
@  BigO : (31 October 2014 - 11:16 AM) Or Luke's Cafe...it's close also. Both are good.
@  BigO : (31 October 2014 - 11:15 AM) UVAO, try JJ's...a new sports bar/grill type place. If your class is at VHCC then you are close.
@  UVAObserver : (31 October 2014 - 10:36 AM) Abingdon folks: I'm going to be in Camelot this morning for a class. Where'd be a great place to get lunch. I'd like to try someplace new if I could, so not Pop Ellis, Hardware.
@  UVAObserver : (31 October 2014 - 02:52 AM) And...they score on their first play from scrimmage?
@  UVAObserver : (31 October 2014 - 02:51 AM) A couple Survivor fates lie in the balance on this drive...
@  hokiebird7 : (30 October 2014 - 10:51 PM) Thanks Beamerball
@  Beamerball : (30 October 2014 - 10:28 PM) Clintwood @ Eastside; Harlan @ Haysi; Honaker @ Grundy; Lee High @ John Battle; Thomas Walker @ Twin Springs
@  hokiebird7 : (30 October 2014 - 10:02 PM) Hey Ryan what games are tonight?
@  Ryan4VT : (30 October 2014 - 01:17 PM) Get your picks in TODAY!!! We have several games that play tonight. So I have to lock the pick 'em at 7 tonight!!!
@  Bearcat Bob : (28 October 2014 - 05:07 PM) I am sure the game Big Ben had nothing at all to do with the let down...Indy's stadium is loud...Eagles' fans are the worst...St. Louis has the nicest fans...Pittsburgh has the most RINGS...!
@  GMan : (28 October 2014 - 02:18 PM) Just remember, folks...is is what it is, until it isn't...
@  Ryan4VT : (28 October 2014 - 02:01 PM) When I went to Indy in Jan, I was around a bunch of KC fans, and I didn't observe ANY of the crap that I saw at Pitt. I actually sat beside a KC fan and we had fun the whole game. Not saying it doesn't happen. But I didn't see it either in the stadium nor walking back to my car. Also, on a side note, Indy's fans were 4 times as loud the entire game than it ever got in Pittsburgh. I was expecting a whole lot more than that. Kind of a let down.
@  Bearcat Bob : (28 October 2014 - 12:57 PM) Steelers fans are GREAT...if you are a Steelers fan...not so much for the visiting team's fans. They are not that much different than any other set of fans. I have been to 11 NFL stadiums and have observed some incredibly rude/crude behavior in all of them directed at fans of the opposition. I do have to agree with UVAO about the city though: it is really atrocious. It is almost as bad as Detroit, or any other northern Iron Belt city for that matter.
@  UVAObserver : (27 October 2014 - 08:52 PM) Yeah, Pittsburgh is my least-favorite place on Earth that I've actually visited. The city itself bears a startling resemblance to an unorganized landfill. Heinz Field has the worst architectural design imaginable for an NFL stadium; the farthest seats can be measured in tenths of miles away from the field. And the fans make Philadelphia fans look like a cross between George Bailey and Mr. Rogers.
@  Ryan4VT : (27 October 2014 - 08:28 PM) UVAO has been there as well. He agrees. Seemingly everyone I've talked to since last night who has ever been there agrees with me that they are truly terrible fans. I didn't see any of that when I went to Indy last year. Every Chiefs fan I saw was treated nice.
@  hokiebird7 : (27 October 2014 - 08:16 PM) Ive been to Pittsburgh when my team played there and I feel your pain Ryan....they are total A**holes
@  Ryan4VT : (27 October 2014 - 05:35 PM) And I was threatened, belittled, and heckled…first hand. I'll never step foot back in that city again. Ever.
@  Ryan4VT : (27 October 2014 - 05:35 PM) I was in Pittsburgh last night. I watched it first-hand.

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#1 thevols

 
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

What do you guys think about this mess? I think it will go to court since they now have proof of DNA in the accuser's underwear.

Question for UVAObserver- How tough will it be to prove consensual vs. nonconsensual sex in this case?

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:57 PM

It's going to be awfully tough for the alleged victim in this matter. 

 

(1) The alleged victim's roommate has submitted an Affidavit that is very much supportive of Winston. 

(2) Facebook/Twitter shows a relationship that was established before the incident and continued on good terms well after.

(3) The alleged victim's statements do not stack up favorably when contrasted with that timeline.

(4) There's a significant lack of medical evidence within 72 hours following the incident.

(5) The alleged victim has tried to downplay the event in the few months preceding the public leak.

 

Frankly, with the evidence we know now, it looks like a case where both were likely drunk, and a case where remorse =/ rape.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:44 PM

IMHO, this one is all about the civil suit to come.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:17 PM

It's going to be awfully tough for the alleged victim in this matter. 
 
(1) The alleged victim's roommate has submitted an Affidavit that is very much supportive of Winston. 
(2) Facebook/Twitter shows a relationship that was established before the incident and continued on good terms well after.
(3) The alleged victim's statements do not stack up favorably when contrasted with that timeline.
(4) There's a significant lack of medical evidence within 72 hours following the incident.
(5) The alleged victim has tried to downplay the event in the few months preceding the public leak.
 
Frankly, with the evidence we know now, it looks like a case where both were likely drunk, and a case where remorse =/ rape.

I think your last statement is probably true on both of them being drunk and then the remorse showed up the next morning.
Trial or no trial, this will cost the kid a lot. Jamies reputation and his decision making will be questioned. A possible Heisman, endorsements and maybe even slipping in the draft. I watched a little of First Take today and they had Robert Smith on as a guest, he said as a Heisman voter, that he would not vote for Jamies.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

I think your last statement is probably true on both of them being drunk and then the remorse showed up the next morning.
Trial or no trial, this will cost the kid a lot. Jamies reputation and his decision making will be questioned. A possible Heisman, endorsements and maybe even slipping in the draft. I watched a little of First Take today and they had Robert Smith on as a guest, he said as a Heisman voter, that he would not vote for Jamies.


I believe that the damage to Winston's reputation has already been done, very true. I think Winston would counter-sue for defamation if there's any civil suit coming against him.
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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:20 PM

UVAObserver, what do you make of this lengthy period of time the DA is exercising in their decision to charge Winston?  Is this good or bad for Winston in your experience?


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 04:34 AM

UVAObserver, what do you make of this lengthy period of time the DA is exercising in their decision to charge Winston?  Is this good or bad for Winston in your experience?


I don't make particularly much of the timing. I know the media's in "of course it comes out now" mode. Residing in this world, I can tell you that I represent clients with offenses dating back a considerable length of time (had one going back to 1994, I kid you not). The statutes of limitations on criminal offenses are almost excessively lengthy, but they are so to give the Commonwealth/State adequate time to build cases in often delicate matters.

I'm inclined to believe the prosecution. The timing is just unfortunate.

The DA knows of Winston's notoriety. He's going to make sure every protocol is followed to the T. There's millions of dollars riding on it if there isn't.
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