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@  UVAObserver : (29 March 2017 - 10:54 AM) UVA is losing Brian Borland to become the USTA head of Men's Tennis. A crushing blow, as Borland built the program with his own two hands.
@  BigWinners : (26 March 2017 - 12:47 AM) In my money bracket I have two FF teams left, UNC/KU but lost my champ Arizona
@  futbolking : (24 March 2017 - 08:36 PM) I have one of my final four left (UNC) and my champion is gone....
@  Ryan4VT : (24 March 2017 - 07:50 PM) @mv91 Same. Same.
@  mv91 : (24 March 2017 - 06:06 PM) Well.....How is everyones bracket looking. My elite 8 on the left side of the bracket is totally gone. my champion is left tho lol
@  1inStripes : (24 March 2017 - 04:25 PM) Mom opened up a new account too though.
@  cityofRaven : (24 March 2017 - 04:06 PM) Mom said I couldn't come back on to the board until you cleaned up all the dirty pictures.
@  GMan : (22 March 2017 - 06:19 PM) VT offered an 8th grader...Antonio Grimes...
@  BigWinners : (22 March 2017 - 01:53 AM) And yet went 2-1 in second round, could've went 3-0 if the refs don't blow two huge calls in UNC/Ark.
@  futbolking : (22 March 2017 - 01:51 AM) Just as in football, the acc had a 9-4 record against the SEC during the regular season this past season....
@  BigWinners : (22 March 2017 - 01:46 AM) Hate on UF ifnyou want, but the SEC has as many S16 teams than ACC and Big East combined.
@  Ryan4VT : (21 March 2017 - 01:04 AM) I own this shirt: but it came out WAY before OSU won the title. http://ep.yimg.com/a...ory-shirt-4.jpg
@  Ryan4VT : (21 March 2017 - 01:03 AM) I had never seen that one.
@  gwave0333 : (21 March 2017 - 12:53 AM) https://cdn2.vox-cdn...ure_0_0_JPG.jpg
@  Ryan4VT : (21 March 2017 - 12:46 AM) @gwave0333 What shirts are you talking about?
@  gwave0333 : (20 March 2017 - 10:44 PM) This is also coming from a fanbase that made shirts about how they beat the eventual national champs in the regular season and got NIT rings last year
@  Ryan4VT : (20 March 2017 - 09:44 PM) @UVAObserver I'd rather go toe to toe with the team that knocked off the number 1 overall seed than score 39 against a team that lost to Vandy THREE times. :)
@  GMan : (20 March 2017 - 09:47 AM) Hokies take 2 of 3 vs. #1 FSU on the diamond. FSU won game one, 9-2, and looked to be the winners of game two, leading 10-2 before the Hokies made a furious comeback to win 13-12 in extra innings. Then on Sunday, VT gave FSU its worst defeat in program history by beating the 'Noles 17-0.
@  GMan : (20 March 2017 - 09:41 AM) Half-decade??? LOL You mean five years??? If that's the case, UVA hasn't beaten VT in football in THREE half-decades...LOL. Half-decade...lawyer speak makes it sound so much longer than five years. Ever tell on of your clients that you can get them "a half-decade" in jail instead of five years???
@  UVAObserver : (20 March 2017 - 01:46 AM) UVA will not finish in the Top 200 offensively when it takes opponents an average of 20 seconds per possession to get a shot off. We'd wear ourselves out trying to artificially increase the offensive pace. The con to controlling pace so ruthlessly is a smaller margin for error and less time to revert to the statistical mean.

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#1 thevols

 
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

What do you guys think about this mess? I think it will go to court since they now have proof of DNA in the accuser's underwear.

Question for UVAObserver- How tough will it be to prove consensual vs. nonconsensual sex in this case?

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:57 PM

It's going to be awfully tough for the alleged victim in this matter. 

 

(1) The alleged victim's roommate has submitted an Affidavit that is very much supportive of Winston. 

(2) Facebook/Twitter shows a relationship that was established before the incident and continued on good terms well after.

(3) The alleged victim's statements do not stack up favorably when contrasted with that timeline.

(4) There's a significant lack of medical evidence within 72 hours following the incident.

(5) The alleged victim has tried to downplay the event in the few months preceding the public leak.

 

Frankly, with the evidence we know now, it looks like a case where both were likely drunk, and a case where remorse =/ rape.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:44 PM

IMHO, this one is all about the civil suit to come.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:17 PM

It's going to be awfully tough for the alleged victim in this matter. 
 
(1) The alleged victim's roommate has submitted an Affidavit that is very much supportive of Winston. 
(2) Facebook/Twitter shows a relationship that was established before the incident and continued on good terms well after.
(3) The alleged victim's statements do not stack up favorably when contrasted with that timeline.
(4) There's a significant lack of medical evidence within 72 hours following the incident.
(5) The alleged victim has tried to downplay the event in the few months preceding the public leak.
 
Frankly, with the evidence we know now, it looks like a case where both were likely drunk, and a case where remorse =/ rape.

I think your last statement is probably true on both of them being drunk and then the remorse showed up the next morning.
Trial or no trial, this will cost the kid a lot. Jamies reputation and his decision making will be questioned. A possible Heisman, endorsements and maybe even slipping in the draft. I watched a little of First Take today and they had Robert Smith on as a guest, he said as a Heisman voter, that he would not vote for Jamies.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

I think your last statement is probably true on both of them being drunk and then the remorse showed up the next morning.
Trial or no trial, this will cost the kid a lot. Jamies reputation and his decision making will be questioned. A possible Heisman, endorsements and maybe even slipping in the draft. I watched a little of First Take today and they had Robert Smith on as a guest, he said as a Heisman voter, that he would not vote for Jamies.


I believe that the damage to Winston's reputation has already been done, very true. I think Winston would counter-sue for defamation if there's any civil suit coming against him.
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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:20 PM

UVAObserver, what do you make of this lengthy period of time the DA is exercising in their decision to charge Winston?  Is this good or bad for Winston in your experience?


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 04:34 AM

UVAObserver, what do you make of this lengthy period of time the DA is exercising in their decision to charge Winston?  Is this good or bad for Winston in your experience?


I don't make particularly much of the timing. I know the media's in "of course it comes out now" mode. Residing in this world, I can tell you that I represent clients with offenses dating back a considerable length of time (had one going back to 1994, I kid you not). The statutes of limitations on criminal offenses are almost excessively lengthy, but they are so to give the Commonwealth/State adequate time to build cases in often delicate matters.

I'm inclined to believe the prosecution. The timing is just unfortunate.

The DA knows of Winston's notoriety. He's going to make sure every protocol is followed to the T. There's millions of dollars riding on it if there isn't.
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