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@  Ryan4VT : (07 December 2016 - 08:05 PM) Bowl Pick'em is ready!!
@  sixcat : (06 December 2016 - 12:47 PM) As a lifelong fan and given everything that has happened over the past 15 years, I can't discount anything at this point.
@  sixcat : (06 December 2016 - 12:46 PM) I thought about that as well but folks in Chapel Hill tend to think of themselves as being above reproach.
@  UVAObserver : (06 December 2016 - 12:19 AM) I would be surprised if that were true, given the "save men's basketball at all costs" tone coming out of their academic scandal.
@  sixcat : (05 December 2016 - 12:57 PM) Some info floating around UNC alum circles claims the school worked out a deal to play a couple of basketball games at UTEP in coming years. Be interesting to see if that rumor is true. If this happens, UNC basketball bought the football team a slot in the Sun Bowl. But UNC alum can float some pretty crazy rumor, so, we will see.
@  Ryan4VT : (05 December 2016 - 01:48 AM) @VHSLHelper I'm trying to send you a PM but I think your box is full
@  UVAObserver : (05 December 2016 - 12:57 AM) I think VT deserved a better slot. Something like the Sun Bowl, which actually has a little history behind it, unlike Charlotte, which is a clear prestige drop. Nothing against Charlotte...underrated city, enjoyed my time there in 2015 watching NCAAs.
@  Ryan4VT : (04 December 2016 - 08:54 PM) I've already applied for my press pass. Gonna watch my first ever bowl game from the box.
@  GMan : (04 December 2016 - 08:53 PM) Tickets purchased, hotel booked...my wife loves going to Charlotte...
@  GMan : (04 December 2016 - 06:45 PM) Just being a West Virginian gives you the right to be an asshole...did anyone see my post to Hacker???
@  bhs7695 : (04 December 2016 - 04:19 PM) Buying a ticket doesn't give you the right to be an asshole
@  bhs7695 : (04 December 2016 - 04:19 PM) The fanbase that this week talks about booing Skylar Howard as their "right" to do because they pay to go to the games. Just some of the comments I read on FB this week.
@  Hokiebird7 : (04 December 2016 - 03:58 PM) UVAO that's why I refuse to ever go to a game at Morganhole again...a few horses' asses yesterday just imagine how many would be there for a home game
@  UVAObserver : (04 December 2016 - 01:08 PM) VT showed a lot of gumption last night.
@  1bburgfan : (03 December 2016 - 09:17 PM) nice win eers
@  UVAObserver : (03 December 2016 - 09:09 PM) That being said, WVU is impressive. Not nearly as easy to attack off the press as years past, and WVU was solid inside. Impressed.
@  BHS03 : (03 December 2016 - 09:05 PM) Great win by WVU at UVA. Have to admit that at the beginning of the season I penciled that in as an L for the Mountaineers
@  UVAObserver : (03 December 2016 - 09:05 PM) Now I see why VT fans hate WVU fans with a passion. There are some massive horses' asses up here in Charlottesville today.
@  BHS03 : (03 December 2016 - 12:09 AM) WVU Women's Soccer team has advanced to their 1st ever National Championship game after defeating UNC 1-0 in the Semifinals
@  GMan : (02 December 2016 - 05:51 PM) Thanks for the heads-up, though!

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#1 thevols

 
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

What do you guys think about this mess? I think it will go to court since they now have proof of DNA in the accuser's underwear.

Question for UVAObserver- How tough will it be to prove consensual vs. nonconsensual sex in this case?

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:57 PM

It's going to be awfully tough for the alleged victim in this matter. 

 

(1) The alleged victim's roommate has submitted an Affidavit that is very much supportive of Winston. 

(2) Facebook/Twitter shows a relationship that was established before the incident and continued on good terms well after.

(3) The alleged victim's statements do not stack up favorably when contrasted with that timeline.

(4) There's a significant lack of medical evidence within 72 hours following the incident.

(5) The alleged victim has tried to downplay the event in the few months preceding the public leak.

 

Frankly, with the evidence we know now, it looks like a case where both were likely drunk, and a case where remorse =/ rape.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:44 PM

IMHO, this one is all about the civil suit to come.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:17 PM

It's going to be awfully tough for the alleged victim in this matter. 
 
(1) The alleged victim's roommate has submitted an Affidavit that is very much supportive of Winston. 
(2) Facebook/Twitter shows a relationship that was established before the incident and continued on good terms well after.
(3) The alleged victim's statements do not stack up favorably when contrasted with that timeline.
(4) There's a significant lack of medical evidence within 72 hours following the incident.
(5) The alleged victim has tried to downplay the event in the few months preceding the public leak.
 
Frankly, with the evidence we know now, it looks like a case where both were likely drunk, and a case where remorse =/ rape.

I think your last statement is probably true on both of them being drunk and then the remorse showed up the next morning.
Trial or no trial, this will cost the kid a lot. Jamies reputation and his decision making will be questioned. A possible Heisman, endorsements and maybe even slipping in the draft. I watched a little of First Take today and they had Robert Smith on as a guest, he said as a Heisman voter, that he would not vote for Jamies.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

I think your last statement is probably true on both of them being drunk and then the remorse showed up the next morning.
Trial or no trial, this will cost the kid a lot. Jamies reputation and his decision making will be questioned. A possible Heisman, endorsements and maybe even slipping in the draft. I watched a little of First Take today and they had Robert Smith on as a guest, he said as a Heisman voter, that he would not vote for Jamies.


I believe that the damage to Winston's reputation has already been done, very true. I think Winston would counter-sue for defamation if there's any civil suit coming against him.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 07:20 PM

UVAObserver, what do you make of this lengthy period of time the DA is exercising in their decision to charge Winston?  Is this good or bad for Winston in your experience?


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Posted 28 November 2013 - 04:34 AM

UVAObserver, what do you make of this lengthy period of time the DA is exercising in their decision to charge Winston?  Is this good or bad for Winston in your experience?


I don't make particularly much of the timing. I know the media's in "of course it comes out now" mode. Residing in this world, I can tell you that I represent clients with offenses dating back a considerable length of time (had one going back to 1994, I kid you not). The statutes of limitations on criminal offenses are almost excessively lengthy, but they are so to give the Commonwealth/State adequate time to build cases in often delicate matters.

I'm inclined to believe the prosecution. The timing is just unfortunate.

The DA knows of Winston's notoriety. He's going to make sure every protocol is followed to the T. There's millions of dollars riding on it if there isn't.
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