HaysiHigh1969 8 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Man where did this epidemic of interceptorlitis come from that hit swva football Sat. , and can we find a cure by next fall. 3 teams 15 ints enough to make you ill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I was sick. As far as Haysi goes, some were Sykes fault(just bad passes) and some were a product of playcalling. Trying to throw it deep against superior athletes is not the way to win. I imagine that applies to Honaker too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaysiHigh1969 8 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I was there. at KW, looked like all downfield passes had at least 2 Essex Ds at the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 They operated out of a 7 man front all day. I feel that if we had of worked out of the I-Formation more we could have been much more successful on Offense. Lead, Dive, Option and play action pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeStreak 45 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I was sick. As far as Haysi goes, some were Sykes fault(just bad passes) and some were a product of playcalling. Trying to throw it deep against superior athletes is not the way to win. I imaging that applies to Honaker too Yes. I feel the same. Thornhill made a couple good catches on the deep balls that wouldnt normally be caught but we had our chances and didnt get it done. I mean you got a D1 commit to play DB, well .. i wont get started there. You can say well if we would have done this or that and if this or that wouldnt have happened, it woulda been a different ballgame but the bottom line is we did not get it done. Thats about all you can say. It was a great season with some good ballgames and alot of fun!! Congrats Haysi, Richlands, and Honaker on great seasons! There a many teams/fans that would have loved to be in our positions yesterday SWVA baby... we will be back!!! Bigrhsfan, BlueRazor, starcityfootballfan and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhstigers7327 217 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yes. I feel the same. Thornhill made a couple good catches on the deep balls that wouldnt normally be caught but we had our chances and didnt get it done. I mean you got a D1 commit to play DB, well .. i wont get started there. You can say well if we would have done this or that and if this or that wouldnt have happened, it woulda been a different ballgame but the bottom line is we did not get it done. Thats about all you can say. It was a great season with some good ballgames and alot of fun!! Congrats Haysi, Richlands, and Honaker on great seasons! There a many teams/fans that would have loved to be in our positions yesterday SWVA baby... we will be back!!! I agree. Even the catch #24 made was an incredible catch and the one that's was returned by the d lineman wow can you say fortunate bounce ( for altavista) but like OrangeStreak said we just shot our selves in the foot way to many times and didn't get it done. Man I'm so proud of our defense. Wow what a performance they played so well and left every ounce on the field. I feel the same way redtiger does our play calling was very suspect at times. These 3 teams represented there selves and SWVA very well. BlueRazor and mriguy74 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwood78 161 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 looks like both tigers had some rushing yds. going on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwood78 161 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 i know what you guys are a talking about.......(they are lining up in that set, why in the hell aren't we taking advantage of it)....just saying.... as far as the turn overs,,,,,, 3 teams to have that many in one day.........maybe our playcalling type of spread, is different than theirs,or defence against it.. i dunno, but i'm still a beliver in the ground and pound.....yall know the saying, live and die with the pass....just saying...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Thornhill covers EVERYTHING between the numbers. Do not throw throw the ball between the numbers unless you have a reciever in his face to distract him.  As far as living and dying by the pass, same thing can be said about the run. See Galax 2013 and 2014. hhstigers7327 and cwood78 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBearsGo 142 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 As a Union fan I feel your pain! Our regional quarterfinal game against Glenvar was painful to watch! We had 2 fumbles and 6 interceptions, definitely made for a long game.. Â btw.. First time poster! Nothing like good ol' HS Football conversations! Jason, Bigrhsfan and redtiger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigrhsfan 884 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Welcome to the board GoBearsGo ! A lot of good people on here, I hope you enjoy it as much as i do ! BlueRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucfan64 307 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 7 in the box, one deep and 3 locked on man to man!  This has happened to a lot of SWVA teams when they have played Eastern squads in the past and the athleticism of the DB's usually present a problem for SWVA teams that are more accustomed to playing against zone coverage.  I personally experienced this a coach in the 2001 State Finals, we had a strong running game and a great passing game, but our receivers were unable to get the separation needed to catch passes they normally would have hauled in versus zone coverage.  Our running game, was used to 4 to 5 yards a pop and it was reduced to 2 and 3 yards a pop, man coverage has in the past created a lot of trouble for teams in SWVA in the past.  Don't know if that is what all of these teams were facing on Saturday or not, but I naturally assumed that it might have been contributing factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 bucfan64, thats exactly what happened to Haysi. Sykes is a solid QB but doesnt have the arm strength to fit deep balls into tight windows and he just couldnt get it done. He had a couple of bad ints but he was just trying to make plays.  I feel we should have ran the ball more and used tighter formations. I think our WRs could have gotten the seperation needed from play action passes from tighter formations. That PA element would have slowed their DBs/LBs down just enough. Give our WRs an advantage and make it easier for our QB. Haysi didnt use any deception and just tried to play Essex man to man, it didnt work.  Defensively we played solid, just gave them a short field a couple of times late and our guys got down some. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, it dont matter now. Haysi had a good run and I am proud of what this group has accompolished. Back to back State Semis appearances is pretty impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues_56 23 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Will say this which will probably sum up all three schools issues with passing basing it off of the RIchlands/Wilson game. You cant throw lobs downfield on more athletic defenses as WM was. When River would throw a fastball we had a completion but when he threw lobs, obviously those were picked, except for the one tipped by our receiver then tipped by their defender and eventually picked off. The speed IS a factor once you get to and past Roanoke. Our running game was 50/50 for this game and our only score was a rushing TD by River. Felt we could/should have run the ball a little more but our bread and butter was passing and our gameplan was passing. Just so hard to do in pouring rain and against more athletic and quick secondarys. Defensively, however, Richlands was just as good at covering their recievers when they tried to throw and had a INT as well. Think their QB was 2-10 or 3-10 passing so argument on my end may be nullified but that's just how I saw it. BlueRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 You cant throw lobs downfield on more athletic defenses as WM was. When River would throw a fastball we had a completion but when he threw lobs, obviously those were picked. The speed IS a factor once you get to and past Roanoke. Felt we could/should have run the ball a little more but our bread and butter was passing and our gameplan was passing. Just so hard to do in pouring rain and against more athletic and quick secondarys. Defensively, however, Richlands was just as good at covering their recievers when they tried to throw and had a INT as well.  Blues_56, you sure you werent at the Haysi/Essex game? Blues_56 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Covered Rebel 6 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I imagine the coaching staffs for all 3 teams watched film and studied the opposition day and night, before the big game. I am positive they had the best game plan laid out that they could of had vs. what they where up against. It's beyond easy for a fan to point shit out and say "this would of been better than this", but at the end of the day, I trust the coaching staff and head coaches strategy that was presented on the field. Sometimes you simply don't match up and can't out coach the superior program. Trust me I'm a Hurley Rebel fan and I know. Our superbowl is whenever we play the tigers and everything before and after is irrelevant. I really wish Honaker and Haysi could have advanced. Who will win the title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaysiHigh1969 8 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I do not about Richlands or Honaker, but in Haysi case first 12 games 10 int last 2 games 10 int Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The last few games we have become a "passing team", never mind the 2,000+ yards rushing in the backfield. I understand the passing game plan against Galax but I do not understand it against Essex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRazor 1,147 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I don't know about the other two games but Wilson was not the superior team that day. They did win and it took overtime to beat us but as I stated in another post, Wilsons db"s could run and had several inches height advantage on us. Our receivers had to be wide open for a pass of over twenty yards or it was picked off. They were just better than us back there no question about it. The balls were not necessarily thrown badly by River, they were just good and we shouldn't have tried it anymore after about the third one....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggamesjames 18 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 I agree Redtiger. Really needed some playaction. Got to use their speed and quickness against them. Can't line up and just beat their db's. Needed some more deception and misdirection. We averaged close to 6 yards per carry when we ran the ball and that's a winning formula to set up the play pass. They dropped 7 or 8 guys into coverage most of the game and our QB was in a tough situation to sit back there in shotgun and just throw darts all day. If we would have let him be more of a game manager and give the ball more to one of the best FB's in the state and also a pretty good HB I think it would have put him in a more manageable situation...plus he really excels in ball fakes and throwing off playaction...just the type of QB he is. He's a Steve Deberg/Chad Pennington/Chris Chandler type QB and we put him in situation that he had to be more of a Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. I thought we would have learned a little more from facing AltaVista last year in this same game. I guess I thought wrong. redtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coal Covered Rebel 6 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Coach Colley has more experience and knowledge of football than most anyone, if not everyone, in SWVA. Just move on and let it go. There must of been a lot of mis-matches elsewhere for him to continue what he did, same with Honakers coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,739 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 My issue isint with going into the game thinking that we could pass on Essex. My issue comes with coming out after halftime, after that approach DID NOT WORK in the first half and not making adjustments.  I would say our players were more skilled that the players of Essex so I see where the belief that we could pass on them came from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggamesjames 18 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I will call it like I see it Coal Covered Rebel and I saw what I saw. Seemed pretty obvious to me. If you don't like to second guess coaching staffs then that's up to you but some of us may feel empowered and knowledgeable enough about football to do so. Not saying our game plans would have worked better but seriously doubt it would've been any worse.  Alot of it is still about player execution....but when you decide to become a coach you open yourself up to being critiqued. It's the nature of the business. Coaches that don't like it should probably try a different career. It's the same with officiating. This is a spectator sport we're talking about...and this is a message board where people are expected to post thoughts and opinions. I will say this though, the Essex game plan didn't bother me as bad as last year against Altavista watching a 2500 yard rusher get a total of 6 carries in a close game. Sometimes being consistently good and solid is better than being occasionally amazing and dynamic. Less is more. Being a genius is great as long as you still know how to tie your shoe...etc. redtiger, BlueRazor and HaysiHigh1969 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRazor 1,147 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Well said bigamesjames...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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