Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 46 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: You're correct, it is. It's also mathmatically possible for UVA to go 13-1 this season but that ain't a happenin', either. And I think JSB makes this whole point moot come next Saturday morning. Well, your words.... "No chance whatsoever..." would indicate that it is factually impossible. However, there is a "chance." That's all I was saying. Had you said, "I don't think it will happen", then I would have agreed with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Bearcat Dad said: For those more in the know than I am, does a 9-1 VHS team out point a 9-1 Union team if that loss for Union were to come against Abingdon? Just curious if they were to not get the 3A win points, if that would be enough, if VHS wins out. Edit; Another scenario out of my own curiosity. With the same 9-1 records, what if Union's hypothetical loss were to come to (IMO) the most underrated team in the region JSB, a team VHS has already beaten? Yes, they would. It is also possible that a 9-1 Va High could outpoint a 10-0 Union as well. Letcher is really dragging Union down. CriticalNoise and Bearcat Dad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Dad 439 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: Yes, they would. It is also possible that a 9-1 Va High could outpoint a 10-0 Union as well. Letcher is really dragging Union down. Thanks! I've never taken the time to fully understand the point system. I need to. I was just curious how a best case scenario for VHS would work out. They've had the best start to one of their seasons in 15 years but 9-1 would be a monumental task for them with still having to play @ Graham, Marion, and @ Richlands, who could be fighting for their playoff lives in week 11 Union_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH31 2,514 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 @Union_Fan hypothetically speaking - say Richlands ends up 4-6.. do they make it in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,642 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Union_Fan said: Yes, they would. It is also possible that a 9-1 Va High could outpoint a 10-0 Union as well. Letcher is really dragging Union down. Then 9-1 Graham could outpoint 10-0 Union as well. Graham would add wins over Marion and VHS, combined at 10-1 or 9-1 right now. Union would add wins over 3A Abingdon, a shit Wise team and a good JSB team. Union desperately needs Richlands to defeat both VHS and Marion, take some points away and add a few more for Unions win. Is Morristown West projected to win many more games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, EH31 said: @Union_Fan hypothetically speaking - say Richlands ends up 4-6.. do they make it in? Entirely possible depending on what Grayson Co does their last 3 games. If Grayson fails to win at least 2 of their last 3 games then a 4-6 Richlands would most likely get in as the 8th seed. Could go as high as 7. EH31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 30 minutes ago, BigWinners said: Then 9-1 Graham could outpoint 10-0 Union as well. Graham would add wins over Marion and VHS, combined at 10-1 or 9-1 right now. Union would add wins over 3A Abingdon, a shit Wise team and a good JSB team. Union desperately needs Richlands to defeat both VHS and Marion, take some points away and add a few more for Unions win. Is Morristown West projected to win many more games? Yes, a 9-1 Graham can absolutely outpoint a 10-0 Union. It sucks, but it is what it is. Mo West has DB, Science Hill, and Knox Bearden left. They might beat Bearden, but for projection purposes I'm giving them losses for each of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: Entirely possible depending on what Grayson Co does their last 3 games. If Grayson fails to win at least 2 of their last 3 games then a 4-6 Richlands would most likely get in as the 8th seed. Could go as high as 7. Sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionguy_2017 288 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 27 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: Yes, a 9-1 Graham can absolutely outpoint a 10-0 Union. It sucks, but it is what it is. Mo West has DB, Science Hill, and Knox Bearden left. They might beat Bearden, but for projection purposes I'm giving them losses for each of those. Is a 9-1 Graham likely to outpoint a 10-0 union or do certain things have to happen for that to be the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 30 minutes ago, Unionguy_2017 said: Is a 9-1 Graham likely to outpoint a 10-0 union or do certain things have to happen for that to be the case? As I have it now, a 10-0 Union will finish 2 pts ahead of a 9-1 Graham. Burton will most likely lose the Grundy game. If they lose to Castlewood too and Giles were to beat Glenvar then that's a 4 pt swing and puts Graham ahead 2 pts. It will be so close between a 10-0 Union and a 9-1 Ridgeview, Graham, or Va High that all it will take is a team or two to win a game they shouldn't or isn't expected to for Union to fall to #2. I throw this out there too...As I have it now a 9-1 Va High would finish 2 pts ahead of 10-0 Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Union_Fan said: Entirely possible depending on what Grayson Co does their last 3 games. If Grayson fails to win at least 2 of their last 3 games then a 4-6 Richlands would most likely get in as the 8th seed. Could go as high as 7. Grayson would be exceedingly lucky to win 1 of those (Fort, GW, Galax). Some high seed is going to be royally ticked to host Richlands in Week 1. Given that Graham has a mental block against them, fate will probably select Graham. 2D is quite the animal this year. Two great teams, 4-5 good teams, and a bunch of teams that should only be allowed in the postseason if they bought tickets to the game. BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: Grayson would be exceedingly lucky to win 1 of those (Fort, GW, Galax). Some high seed is going to be royally ticked to host Richlands in Week 1. Given that Graham has a mental block against them, fate will probably select Graham. 2D is quite the animal this year. Two great teams, 4-5 good teams, and a bunch of teams that should only be allowed in the postseason if they bought tickets to the game. Agreed. I have them losing all 3. I know that Richlands may have been in Graham's head last year, but trust me, this is Graham's year against the Blues. It would take a complete meltdown for Graham to lose that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Union_Fan said: Agreed. I have them losing all 3. I know that Richlands may have been in Graham's head last year, but trust me, this is Graham's year against the Blues. It would take a complete meltdown for Graham to lose that game. I hope you're right, but Graham is capable of it. For the talent disparity there is this year, "mentally tough" and "precise" are not adjectives I would use to describe them. I don't mean to say that Graham is a bunch of head cases, but when things don't go well for them, it tends to snowball whereas it wouldn't with a team like Union. Union_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,642 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Is it possible a 10-0 Union finishes behind a 9-1 Graham and 9-1 Marion? VHS and Graham both can't be 9-1 but Graham and Marion could. We need Burton to win a game or two and hopefully Richlands pulls off some upsets, as I have them losing at least 2/3 to VHS, GHS, MHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,154 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 If Marion finishes 9-1 they won't even be close to 10-0 Union, 9-1 Graham or 9-1 Va High. They would be very close to a 9-1 Union though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dookthecook 56 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 59 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: I hope you're right, but Graham is capable of it. For the talent disparity there is this year, "mentally tough" and "precise" are not adjectives I would use to describe them. I don't mean to say that Graham is a bunch of head cases, but when things don't go well for them, it tends to snowball whereas it wouldn't with a team like Union. Rube gal says blue wind kick gram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva_havok_fan 1,261 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Sorry for my delay as I ended up being very busy Friday night, hanging out in Charlottesville yesterday with UVAObserver and coming home and crashing last night and getting caught up today... 1D Unofficial: Patrick Henry 18.28571 Grundy 17.16667 Castlewood 16 Hurley 15.14286 Chilhowie 14.66667 Thomas Walker 14.57143 Eastside 14.5 Honaker 12.5 Northwood 12 J. I. Burton 12 Holston 11.28571 Twin Valley 9.85714 Rye Cove 8 Twin Springs 7.33333 1C Unofficial: Narrows 19.5 Galax 18.83333 George Wythe 17.5 Covington 15.33333 Bland County 13.16667 Parry McCluer 13 Auburn 12.14286 Eastern Montgomery 11.5 Rural Retreat 10.83333 Bath County 9 Craig County 6.66667 3D Unofficial: Staunton River 26.66667 Lord Botetourt 25.71429 Magna Vista 21.83333 Northside 21.14286 Abingdon 20.14286 Cave Spring 16.83333 Alleghany 15.5 Tunstall 15.16667 Hidden Valley 14.66667 Patrick County 14.33333 Christiansburg 13.5 SW_VA_boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva_havok_fan 1,261 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 2:03 PM, BearDawg said: This info was barrowed. 1. Glenvar (7-0) 24.2862. Giles (5-2) 21.0003. Appomattox (4-1) 21.0004. Floyd (6-1) 20.7145. Gretna (6-1) 20.2576. Dan River (4-2) 19.5007. Fort Chiswell (4-2) 18.3338. Martinsville (2-4) 16.5009. Chatham (2-4) 13.50010. James River (2-4) 13.50011. Radford (1-6) 12.71412. Buckingham (1-5) 12.33313. Nelson (2-5) 12.0001. Virginia (5-1) 23.1672. Union (7-0) 23.1433. Marion (7-0) 22.5714. Graham (5-1) 21.1675. Ridgeview (5-1) 21.1676. John Battle (4-2) 19.6677. Grayson (4-3) 18.0008. Lee (3-3) 17.1679. Richlands (2-4) 16.33310. Central Wise (2-5) 15.00011. Tazewell (2-5) 14.57212. Lebanon (1-5) 12.50013. Gate City (0-7) 12.285Not sure about Giles-Appomattox tiebreaker they might be reversed and Graham Ridgeview would be by who scored most points. Checked my math four times because shocking Virginia on too in D. Loss was to Tennessee who still gives them 15 points compared to Unions 18 for Gate City win. Virginia beating 3a Abingdon was 30 points VHS snuck in there. Nice job. Should be short lived as Union will take to top spot once it wins out the rest of its schedule. I have a few differences as far as averages go, but everyone is in the same place in both 2D and 2C as listed here. Also, I don't include Nelson County in my 2C list because they're not playoff eligible. So why bother worrying about them if they can't even compete past week 11. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCITYHOO 110 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 4:20 PM, Hokiebird7 said: Don't think that matters but with VHSL's stupidity it probably does Maybe I'm understanding you wrong' but shouldn't Appo have the tie breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCITYHOO 110 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 4:20 PM, Hokiebird7 said: Don't think that matters but with VHSL's stupidity it probably does Maybe I'm understanding you wrong' but shouldn't Appo have the tie breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCITYHOO 110 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 4:20 PM, Hokiebird7 said: Don't think that matters but with VHSL's stupidity it probably does Maybe I'm understanding you wrong' but shouldn't Appo have the tie breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCITYHOO 110 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 4:20 PM, Hokiebird7 said: Don't think that matters but with VHSL's stupidity it probably does Maybe I'm understanding you wrong' but shouldn't Appo have the tie breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCITYHOO 110 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 SOOOO Sorry. My finger not working properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, RCITYHOO said: Maybe I'm understanding you wrong' but shouldn't Appo have the tie breaker? Why should they have tiebreaker? And me saying VHSL is stupid is in reference to someone that said a tie breaker is most points scored...how dumb is that for a tiebreaker? Coin flip is better than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,642 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 VHSLs C and D points: Region 2CGlenvar 24.00000Giles 21.00000Appomattox 21.00000Floyd Co. 20.71429Gretna 20.28571Dan River 19.66667Fort Chiswell 18.33333Martinsville 16.66667James River (B) 13.50000Chatham 13.50000Radford 12.71429Buckingham Co. 12.33333Nelson County 11.71429Region 2DVirginia 23.16667Union 22.85714Marion 22.57143Graham 21.16667Ridgeview 20.83333John Battle 19.66667Grayson County 17.71429Lee 17.50000Richlands 16.33333Central-Wise 15.14286Tazewell 14.85714Lebanon 12.50000Gate City 12.14286 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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