Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Area playoff records. G W-L % #1 #2 84 53-31 .631 05 03 Gate City 73 56-17 .767 11 05 Bluefield 67 44-23 .657 04 02 Giles 64 34-30 .531 03 01 Graham 63 39-24 .619 01 06 J. I. Burton 60 39-21 .650 02 04 Richlands 56 30-26 .536 02 01 Radford 51 26-25 .510 01 02 Pulaski County 47 29-18 .617 02 01 George Wythe 44 20-24 .455 00 00 Rural Retreat 39 19-20 .487 01 00 Chilhowie 39 21-18 .538 00 02 Honaker 38 17-21 .447 00 02 Lebanon 35 23-12 .657 01 01 Galax 33 17-16 .515 00 01 James Monroe 33 13-20 .394 00 00 Narrows 30 11-19 .367 00 00 Grundy 29 12-17 .414 01 00 Tazewell 27 08-19 .296 00 00 Abingdon 25 11-14 .440 00 01 Lee 24 13-11 .542 00 00 Fort Chiswell 23 05-18 .217 00 00 Grayson County 22 05-17 .227 00 00 Virginia High 20 08-12 .400 00 00 Marion 20 06-14 .300 00 00 Hurley 20 03-17 .150 00 00 Twin Springs 19 08-11 .421 00 01 Mount View 19 05-14 .263 00 00 Rye Covey 18 11-07 .611 00 00 Union 17 06-11 .353 00 00 Holston 14 05-09 .357 00 00 Patrick Henry 14 02-12 .143 00 00 Carroll Count 14 03-11 .214 00 00 Princeton 14 02-12 .143 00 00 Castlewood 13 02-11 .154 00 00 Northwood 11 04-07 .364 00 00 Bland County 11 04-07 .364 00 00 John Battle 09 01-08 .111 00 00 Thomas Walker 05 01-04 .200 00 00 Pikeview 05 01-04 .200 00 00 Eastside 05 00-05 .000 00 00 Twin Valley 04 01-03 .250 00 00 River View 03 00-03 .000 00 00 Central 02 00-02 .000 00 00 Ridgeview 00 00-00 .000 00 00 Montcalm 64 45-19 .703 08 01 Powell Valley 59 44-15 .746 06 03 Appalachia 56 34-22 .607 04 03 Clintwood 45 19-26 .422 00 00 Haysi 16 09-07 .563 00 01 Pennington 13 05-08 .385 01 00 J. J. Kelly 12 07-05 .583 01 00 Jonesville 11 06-05 .545 00 01 Garden 10 01-09 .100 00 00 Coeburn 10 01-09 .100 00 00 Pocahontas 08 04-04 .500 00 01 Pound 08 01-07 .125 00 00 St. Paul 06 02-04 .333 00 00 R. B. Worthy 03 00-03 .000 00 00 Ervinton 03 00-03 .000 00 00 Independence 02 01-01 .500 00 00 Rich Valley 02 00-02 .000 00 00 Fries 02 00-02 .000 00 00 Athens 01 00-01 .000 00 00 Dublin 01 00-01 .000 00 00 Pulaski 50kw, redtiger, Deleted Account and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH31 2,514 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Pretty neat that Appalachia has been closed that long and still has the most playoff wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Hmmm, appears that Bluefield, Galax, and Richlands all surpass the winning percentage of Gate City, as do both since-consolidated schools of Powell Valley and Appalachia. Further, it appears that Appalachia all by its lonesome surpasses Gate City in number of wins, despite it being closed for 8 years now. Good food for thought based upon yesterday evening. Ryan4VT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 My apologies. I typed Appalachia wrong. It is 44-15, not 54-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat 2,913 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Galax has completely changed its culture since 2010. An 18-6 (.750) playoff record with a state title and a runner-up. Given they were 2-5 from the 1920's to 2009 in playoff competition, that's just remarkable. Grayson/Independence/Fries is a whopping 4-22 (.154). I'm honestly shocked Grayson has played in 21 playoff games. That number just seems awfully high for whatever reason. I think it goes without saying, Appalachia and Powell Valley were remarkable programs and these numbers bear that out. All these years after the schools closed and they are still among the all-time leaders in win percentage, total wins and state titles. I didn't live in this part of the country for a number of years, Bluefield Reseracher. In your opinion, how did reclassification and realignment affect certain schools, especially in recent years with the number of teams getting into the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 In Virginia it really hasn't affected the playoffs that much. When the playoffs started in 1970 there were three rounds built into the playoffs. As compared to WV which started playoffs in 1947 but only the top two teams were in the playoffs in WV until 1972. Then only four until 1979 when eight teams were in and then the current system in 1991. WV teams were at a slight disadvantage so far as playoff appearances but only slight because there were not nearly as many schools. the only school that you could say really suffered was Bluefield in the 1960's that had two undefeated teams and three 9-1 teams that did not make the playoffs. Then again there were no playoffs in Virginia at that time and Gate City and Appalachia had some outstanding teams in that decade. Oh yeah, and any school that had to compete against Powell Valley, Appalachia and Gate City for district titles. lol. sixcat and V-Cats 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXSW 557 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Bluefield researcher said: My apologies. I typed Appalachia wrong. It is 44-15, not 54-15. I started to protest but you are the Researcher and you will fix it when you are wrong, good work sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, SXSW said: I started to protest but you are the Researcher and you will fix it when you are wrong, good work sir! But I am also human and I make mistakes. I don't mind when mistakes are pointed out. That really was the reason I started putting the records on this site. So others with direct knowledge could proof read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Bluefield researcher said: My apologies. I typed Appalachia wrong. It is 44-15, not 54-15. Well crap, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,642 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Oh boy, I can't wait for TTT to see this. PVs been closed for eight years but finished with a higher playoff win % and more titles. Bluefield, Giles, Richlands as well. Appy winning 75% of their playoff games is an absolutely insane stat. Burton has a higher win % than I'd assume, good on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichlandsAlum 678 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Bluefield researcher said: In Virginia it really hasn't affected the playoffs that much. When the playoffs started in 1970 there were three rounds built into the playoffs. As compared to WV which started playoffs in 1947 but only the top two teams were in the playoffs in WV until 1972. Then only four until 1979 when eight teams were in and then the current system in 1991. WV teams were at a slight disadvantage so far as playoff appearances but only slight because there were not nearly as many schools. the only school that you could say really suffered was Bluefield in the 1960's that had two undefeated teams and three 9-1 teams that did not make the playoffs. Then again there were no playoffs in Virginia at that time and Gate City and Appalachia had some outstanding teams in that decade. Oh yeah, and any school that had to compete against Powell Valley, Appalachia and Gate City for district titles. lol. Are the Virginia numbers from 1970 onward? Because technically there were playoffs in Virginia within the top division prior to 1970. At least in the late 1960's it appears that the SWD champion had to defeat the Western District champion for any kind of championship consideration. (My frame of reference there is Richlands losing big to Andrew Lewis in 1967.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, RichlandsAlum said: Are the Virginia numbers from 1970 onward? Because technically there were playoffs in Virginia within the top division prior to 1970. At least in the late 1960's it appears that the SWD champion had to defeat the Western District champion for any kind of championship consideration. (My frame of reference there is Richlands losing big to Andrew Lewis in 1967.) These games were not mandatory. They were allowed but not recognized as true playoffs. Kind of fuzzy I know but it is what it is. RichlandsAlum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dookthecook 56 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I cunfused . Uncle Ben . Supporter wave nation. Narrows wave nation that is claimage two titles in late 30'. Right befor the 40's. Vern says ol school has signs to proov narrows title holders in 38 39z me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapeape 259 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 As a pre-Akers GC fan, I offer the following: While Powell Valley was a better football program than GC, they (PV) faced MUCH softer competition in the playoffs. Ditto for Appalachia (though I don't think Appalachia was a better overall program than PV or GC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,642 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, Grapeape said: As a pre-Akers GC fan, I offer the following: While Powell Valley was a better football program than GC, they (PV) faced MUCH softer competition in the playoffs. Ditto for Appalachia (though I don't think Appalachia was a better overall program than PV or GC). I think MUCH softer is a pretty dramatic overstatement, and the only title GC won during the 90s, they lost to both A champions. PV played in Div. 2 A, while GC played Div. 1 AA. GC also had typically more enrollment, as Union and GC are now both around 700 students. Thats the combined PV/AHS school along with a GC that has seen a dip in enrollment. PV would play schools with 400-700 enrollment numbers, GC played schools with enrollments around 700-1000 while at that time having a larger enrollment. The difference isn't that dramatic. In the 90s, every state title PV win featured wins over GC. GC defeated PV in 1999, 1996 and 1993, the only wins from 90-99. Playing in a higher division is obviously harder. But the only time the champions overlapped in the regular season between the three, the AA champ lost. State runners up in 94 in AA but lost to D2 A champions. I would have liked to see some of those games in the playoffs between Tazwell, Graham, etc.. and PV, but I'm not sure how it's relevant as a dig to PV when in the five most recent PV titles, they beat GC every year, including GCs winning one title and playing for another. Not to mention the enrollment numbers. If GC didn't have the AA numbers, it's their fault for not playing in correct divisions. They weren't so much better than the D2 A teams that they could just drop down and crush everyone, the results speak for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW_VA_boy 492 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Dookthecook said: I cunfused . Uncle Ben . Supporter wave nation. Narrows wave nation that is claimage two titles in late 30'. Right befor the 40's. Vern says ol school has signs to proov narrows title holders in 38 39z me thinks This is from Bluefield Researcher in another thread from a few weeks back: This post is in regards to the "Claiming state titles" before 1970 remark while referring to Narrows. In the 1920's and 1930's there were three classes in Virginia. A, B, C. The only class that had an organized system for a state champion was the A class which was the biggest schools. The VHSL record book lists those. In 1954 the "A" class greatly expanded as a lot of the B Class teams joined A. The future SW District teams of Graham, Tazewell, Richlands, Grundy and Va High joined class A. Covington was another team that joined class A. Class A rules stated that you must play a certain number of games vs other class A schools so SW schools started playing the Roanoke area Class A schools such as Fleming, Patrick Henry Roanoke and Jefferson. Grundy was even playing E. C. Glass in the 1960's. The schools from Roanoke were happy because they no longer had to travel to Richmond, Tidewater and NOVA to get class A games. But in the 1920's and 1930's the smaller classes would play regional and state class playoff games if both champions could work it out. There was no requirement to play these games. They were optional and many times schools declined. In 1939 Narrows was champions of their district and Bedford champion of their District. They played a playoff game and Narrows won. The Class C team from the Eastern Shore declined to travel to Narrows to play so Narrows claims a championship. In 1938 all the Class C teams declined to play so again Narrows claims a championship. There were very few years that these games went the full playoff rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dookthecook 56 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Claimage over a sevin hundred fiffy sevin team. Why don't Narrows take those razzle doozling teams of 30's and travel that way. Oh uncle better taken sines and run. Onlee team in dat county like ric flair is them one wingers. Wooooooooooo. Says ol Natche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dookthecook 56 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 udder question to be desire. Is it really. Wave nation put those sines up rite after those one wingers went woooooooooooo. What ol natche says! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 29 minutes ago, Dookthecook said: 1 udder question to be desire. Is it really. Wave nation put those sines up rite after those one wingers went woooooooooooo. What ol natche says! This is just hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great City 210 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 "PV would play schools with 400-700 enrollment numbers, GC played schools with enrollments around 700-1000 while at that time having a larger enrollment. The difference isn't that dramatic." Don't know if I would say that PV faced "much" softer competition in the playoffs, but without a doubt it was softer. Not sure how that can be argued. Not taking anything away from PV. They had a great program. I would say that the difference between schools with 400-700 kids, and schools with 700-1000 kids is substantial. If you average those numbers, you get a group of schools with 550 kids, and a group of schools with 850 kids.....a difference of 300 kids. Assuming 50:50 males to females, you have 150 additional males that could be on a sports team. Gives all of your teams more kids, gives you back ups to help you deal with injuries, gives you people to practice against, etc... IMHO....the biggest difference in those two groups of schools, is that one kid has a much greater impact at a smaller school than he/she would at a larger school. Take the Jones brothers from PV. I BELIEVE PV won 4 state championships while having an NFL-caliber running back in the backfield. That is half of their total championships. If you remove them from those teams, does PV still win the championship? Maybe they do, but without a doubt it would have been harder. Wonder how many championships Clintwood would have if they would of had the Jones brothers? How about Appalachia? They also would have made a huge difference in AA. Can you imagine GC, Richlands, Graham having 8 years of the Jones brothers? Granted the Jones brothers are an extreme example. Any school in VA would have benefited from having them on the team. The effect is the same for not as gifted athletes. Just using the Jones brothers as an example. Again...........not taking anything away from PV. They competed in their correct classification, and earned their titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, Great City said: Take the Jones brothers from PV. I BELIEVE PV won 4 state championships while having an NFL-caliber running back in the backfield. That is half of their total championships. If you remove them from those teams, does PV still win the championship? On 3 of those teams there was more than enough talent to win it all without the Jones brothers. The 1994 team would've cut it close. But, consider this, after Robbins's arrival, PV rarely had a year without a 1,500 yard running back. That position was just plug and play at PV. The main reason for PV's success was line play on both sides of the ball and Defense. The skill positions were top notch, but as long as PV had a capable QB, they were in good shape year in and year out. As far as the competition being soft in 2A, the most skilled team I have ever seen on a VA high school field was Lunenburg Central...and that still stands to this day. Athletes and skill EVERYWHERE. Outside of their meetings with PV, their success over a decade was phenomenal. Thing is, some teams rise to the occasion and some don't. But I'll tell you this, I never played against another team who I'd put money on to beat a Lunenburg team from that era, and that's a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dookthecook 56 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Jus got offn tellyphone with uncle Vern. Him has much mor cents then uncle Ben. Wanting to clear up this wave nation claimage fiasco. Vern say that back in dem days n nites. Not much fer claimage. He first mits he claimage uncle bens girl while dey held Hans. I shake my noggin thoughts of ruby gal hold nudder Han. Oh sorry. Back to story. Vern said yes just claimage. He said though in 1964 wave nation had parade affer parade. Did in honorization of the county's first titles . To most in wave nation they still the rightful champ of that county. Ruby gal got on tellyphone and tode uncle Vern to check record books. Vern claimage he did . The book of wave nation pride lists all and all titles . Nuff for him! We shake our heads at his wave nation pride. Love my famlee. They real people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great City 210 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, sup_rbeast said: On 3 of those teams there was more than enough talent to win it all without the Jones brothers. The 1994 team would've cut it close. But, consider this, after Robbins's arrival, PV rarely had a year without a 1,500 yard running back. That position was just plug and play at PV. The main reason for PV's success was line play on both sides of the ball and Defense. The skill positions were top notch, but as long as PV had a capable QB, they were in good shape year in and year out. As far as the competition being soft in 2A, the most skilled team I have ever seen on a VA high school field was Lunenburg Central...and that still stands to this day. Athletes and skill EVERYWHERE. Outside of their meetings with PV, their success over a decade was phenomenal. Thing is, some teams rise to the occasion and some don't. But I'll tell you this, I never played against another team who I'd put money on to beat a Lunenburg team from that era, and that's a fact. I am definitely not saying PV could not have won those titles without the Jones brothers. Just saying that they certainly did not hurt. :) Not really sure you can say, with a straight face, that the RB position was "plug and play at PV". I quickly googled the Jones brothers. Looks like Thomas held (maybe still holds) the records for most rushing yards in a season, was UVA's all-time leading rusher, and had the 4th highest rushing total in ACC history. Julius was no slouch either. He held the single game rushing record (262 yards) at ND, and held school records for KO return yards, and all-purpose yards. Did not even mention their NFL careers. Not sure how many other backs at PV went on to have that success. Did not say their playoff competition was "soft". Just said that it was "softer" than if they had played in a higher classification. Only made that comment because someone that posted before me talked about it. I also said........."Again...........not taking anything away from PV. They competed in their correct classification, and earned their titles." Does anyone know the Jones brother's stats for their championship games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Dookthecook said: Claimage over a sevin hundred fiffy sevin team. Why don't Narrows take those razzle doozling teams of 30's and travel that way. Oh uncle better taken sines and run. Onlee team in dat county like ric flair is them one wingers. Wooooooooooo. Says ol Natche In 1939 it was the Eastern team's turn to come west. They declined to make the trip. In 1938 Narrows offered to go west but there were no takers. To be fair the traveling team's expenses were taken from the gate receipts and the eastern teams sometimes would not draw enough to pay the visitors expenses. You see in the east there were many bigger schools close by so the little schools did not have the fan base that the western schools had and still have. Now in the west to see big time class A school one had to travel to Rownokee or Dannyville or Leechburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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