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Rarely is it a fantastic HC with a solid all around staff, usually its a 2 man job: a very good HC and an incredible guy at OC/DC as his right hand man.

correct on all counts SwvaOG. I didnt play college ball but college was tough for me. Learning how to manage time efficiently and how to study efficiently were tough skills for me to learn. Moving from Haysi to UVAW was a culture shock, like you said I felt very isolated. Ive seen kids play at UVAW and football isnt easy, college isnt easy. Its a lot to adjust to and it has to happen quick.

Exactly. Not smart and the finer points of the game elude them

I'm watching on NFHS, on that last drive it looked like offsides and not a False Start to me.

That's been my opinion since sixcat talked about Dixon implementing that setup when he arrived at Galax: more kids on the field, more control by the Varsity HC, playing become more feasible for all families, etc. Just makes sense

One aspect I've always liked about the Big Stone Gap youth program is its only 8 weeks, including (I think) 2 weeks of practice. 6 games total. So full contact is introduced at a early age but overall exposure is fairly limited. I know some youth teams travel and play a lot of "games". Not throwing off on the program or tournament but I know teams that have played well over 20 games including tournaments like the Big Blue Bash at Richlands.

Why not just combine Hurley, Twin Valley AND Grundy? Why have TV or Hurley kids drive past Grundy to practice together? All 3 will be consolidated soon anyway, go ahead and put the football programs together. Imo it should have been done before this season, that way they could have went ahead and made a 2A SWD schedule

Where is QB 1?

And their request was much more reasonable

Idk if there's a player on JIBs team that would start at Union. Their QBis their best player and couldn't get on the field at Union

How good would they be with Sykes at QB and Anderson playing Slot/RB as well as DB? Their defense is very good but Anderson at Safety would take them to another level, but Turner won't play his QB on Defense.

An important note here is Haysi was a balanced offense, the conditions probably benefited Giles more but Coach Colley wasn't about to move the game.

I get that the game won't be in any way competitive but players only get to step on the field so many times. Get every one you can

Seems like they do this in KY

Id say in terms of physicality and toughness both teams are about equal. Union imo has more explosive players in the Andersons, Huff, and Chandler. Abingdon has the advantage in terms of size. Imo Union wins but Abingdon will give them all they want

How did they do in their last game the other night? I think they played up at Central

Best youth program around and the results are obvious. There is always a pool of talented football players for Turner to work with.

A lady I work with was very sick with it and a week later is still recovering.

Haysi played them in the early/mid 00s, its a terrible facility lol

The way I hear it Georgia isnt too far behind. Big time money being thrown around at successful programs

Cumberland were the innovators. I didnt know RC tried it, when we played them a few years later they were misdirection Straight T

Colley was a great Xs and Os guy, knew offense and defense inside and out. Imo he comes up short in terms of building a program but was WAY ahead of his time in terms of figuring out how to utilize basketball type kids on the football field. There was a realization that basketball and baseball kids will never commit to a hardcore offseason weight program and Haysi was always competitive in all sports, but they could be game changers if used properly. Its hard to line the Small Forward or 3rd Baseman up at Tight End but they make pretty dang good WRs. One of my favorite stories about him is how his offense came to be, basically after a early season, maybe game 1, loss to Honaker where both teams were running the Wishbone Coach set down on a Saturday with a notepad and was trying to figure out how to beat teams that were bigger and stronger. On TV that day was FSU, they were in the gun and throwing the football. He had a eureka moment and thought "we can do that". He draws up a handful of plays and that became the offense. I believe Haysi rolled off 10 consecutive wins before falling in the Regional title game. That was the late 80s, Shotgun "spread" offense wouldnt be a thing in SWVA for another decade and a half(RIchlands and soon after PV) and wouldnt be common for 2 decades. To set aside what YOU WANT TO DO and adapt to what YOUR PLAYERS CAN DO is what separates good coaches from great ones. In the list of great coaches without rings Doug Hubbard is near the top. Honaker was ALWAYS competitive and as a program was as physical as anyone. I think Hubbard had 2 or 3 state title appearances, that doesn't just happen. His great flaw may have been utilization of talent, Heath Miller under center in a Power-I/Wishbone offense??? Jimbo Adams is at the very top of the same list. Burton had a tremendous run of talent in the 2000s but he maximized it by being on the cutting edge of the Double Wing Jet Sweep Offense. No one around here ran Jet before JIB, and he had the guys to do it. His great drawback, total reliance on speed and when they ran into other fast teams they didnt have much success but them man coach multiple teams to the state title game and would have won 1 if it weren't for being robbed by the refs. All three would have benefited greatly from a more equitable playoff system. That change would have put both coaches in the overall discussion imo.

Imo Turners greatest strength was as a motivator, its already been said but he relished that underdog role of Appalachia against the world, and it paid off in big ways. Lets not forget that Appy was absolutely loaded with talent, especially for a school of that size. Idk the admin. numbers but id be willing to bet almost every time they faced a team in the State Semis or Finals they were the smaller school (the games against Bath Co being the only ones that come to mind where Appy was the larger school). Turner always had a good staff around him and for many years that staff remained virtually unchanged with a bunch of diehard Bulldogs, that helps. Now Phil is a different story. He was handed a complete program, from Little League up everything was ready made and he did a great job of keeping the program on course and taking them to the next level. I think he comes up short in terms of play calling but truth be told he was smart enough to give the ball to his studs and build a offense around them while also not being predictable. Phil was the leader and deserves a ton of credit but the hard nosed attitude of PV came from Barry Jones. If I was handed the keys to a race car could I drive it? Sure, but there's a great chance id put it in the ditch, Phil never did. Fry and Colobro are near the top, GC was a machine under Colobro. Carlock has to be mentioned, Graham was stout and then some under him. Cummins deserves a nod too, Clintwood had a ton of success under him. I dont think any of those 4 have the rings to take the top 2 spots from Turner or Robbins.

Oh for sure, the problem with that kind of talk is the kids hear it and they dont know those guys are dumb. Anderson has improved tremendously as a QB and hes a fantastic athlete to begin with.

@BandanaVTDavis4321 thats been my opinion of their Offense from occasionally seeing them the past few seasons. Just call whatever and see what works, if nothing is really working then hope a superior athlete makes a play, which some inevitably did. Imo its not a sound offense.