Bulldogs52 482 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Did anyone here about the Illegal Immigrants that where caught down near the live stock market late Sunday evening? We heard about it on the scanner, and then my father drove down to check it out and there were about 50 some he said on the back of a tractor trailer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 they are every where around here...wherever there is construction, you find them. They caught one last year trying to pick up a 16 year old girl in Honaker and force her in to his car at the school bus stop...she ran and he was driving around trying to find another girl when they caught him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsawBeaver 12 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 my dad heard about that, he said none of them had any id and they had to let all of them go. Of course from what I know they weren't up to anything to actually be detained for, even though we all know that many of them were likely illegals, but that's another matter that is beyond local authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 saw on the news where a cop in TN caught a few and they called INS and they told them to just let them go because they didn't have the funds to come to TN and get just two people and export them out of the country...the cop offered to drive them to the border himself free of charge and they just said "let them go"...thats crap...they need to get these people out of here if they don't belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanatic 10 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 We wouldn't have an illegal immagrant problem is the police and government would open their eyes and send them home. Also they need to crack down on the employeers of these illegal immagrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogs52 482 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well the one's that where caught Sunday evening we all released, INS said that if the police didn't have anything on them then to set them free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 We wouldn't have an illegal immagrant problem is the police and government would open their eyes and send them home. Also they need to crack down on the employeers of these illegal immagrants. I agree...BVU ran cable out here the other day and there were about 30 of them...not one white boy in the bunch...they were not speaking any english either...maybe they were legit? I dunno...I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublue 939 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Partial article......Gwinnett has a population of 750,000 and FINALLY something is being done. Illegals comprise much of the crime...... 9/30/2008 12:01:00 AM Gwinnett Daily Post Crackdown reaps statistical dividends By Josh Green Staff Writer After hours at the Gwinnett County Police Department's Central Precinct is a lot like a football locker room. There is the pep talk, the review of pertinent information, the stoking of courage. And most importantly, there's the motivated team of bruisers hell-bent on pulverizing an opponent. The team, in this case, is the recently beefed-up gang task force, a roughly 30-member unit that's grown from five officers in 1998 to among the department's largest special units. The opponent, of course, is the 90 or so gangs the task force tracks, seven days a week, as they operate in Gwinnett. The team's objective is not to merely query the gangs, cite them or shoo them away. They are out to "crush" them. The task force, relaunched in March at no extra cost to taxpayers, is comprised of go-getters from other divisions, the proactive officers who wrote solid reports and aren't bashful about working nights and weekends. Roughly half have SWAT team experience. None shy from the vampire shift. Their presence has so far paid off. "When you throw a 30-man unit at something," said task force member Sgt. D. Cavender, "you're going to get results." Since March, the unit has made more than 750 arrests of area gang members - roughly 25 per week - and written 1,700 citations. They've seized dozens of weapons, including high-powered AK-47s, large quantities of marijuana, cocaine and caches of bulletproof vests lifted from police vehicles. They tallied 185 arrests in July alone, or six per day. That's roughly 16 percent of the known gangster population in Gwinnett - 1,100 residents - arrested in a single month. (Similar statistics weren't tracked as closely before the reformation of the task force, which makes an accurate comparison between 2008 and recent years impossible, leaders say). Several high-profile busts have resulted. Among the unit's more successful initiatives was a multi-agency, countywide sweep in June called "Operation Community Shield" that netted 35 gang members, each of them illegal immigrants who were arrested and deported. Or, you might say, crushed. The task force also assumes high-level crime cases linked to gangs - the drive-bys and stabbings, for instance - that were pushed off exclusively to homicide detectives before. That buys time on both ends. "Unlike the uniform patrol, we have the time to investigate," Cavender said. "We don't have the next call waiting for us. It's what we decide to do." Connie Wiggins, executive director of Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful, called the task force the most formidable opponent to local gangs she's seen in 23 years with her agency. "We truly believe the work (they're) doing is making a big difference," said Wiggins, the county's prominent authority on graffiti. Night missions The bread and butter of the task force's success is a knowledgeable concentration of force. Each evening around 6, task force members - mostly fit, voraciously motivated and relatively young men - congregate in a corporate-looking boardroom in a precinct near Gwinnett Place Mall. Here they hunker down for an all-night run on the streets. They sit at long green tables. They take roll call. All police reports from previous days marked as gang-related are distributed like poker cards among the officers. They formulate a game plan, what the nightly mission will be, mapping out their own movements, analyzing trends. After a briefing, the squads are dispersed, these iron boots meant for crushing. "It's going back to the old style of police work," said Lt. J.T. Strickland, a task force leader. "It could be graffiti, burglary, a drive-by shooting. We want to be a show of force." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 They are taking jobs away, and businesses who use them to gain profits should be punished... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmtaz18 10 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 all these immigrants, ive seen playing soccer every sunday for about 4 weeks in a row now at the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 They are taking jobs away, and businesses who use them to gain profits should be punished... Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vthokies4life 10 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 They are taking jobs away, and businesses who use them to gain profits should be punished... Taking jobs away? That's assuming there are a finite amount of jobs in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 If there is a finite amount of jobs has nothing to do with it. There is a set amount of jobs anyway, unless you are Harry Potter and can create some with your wand. The fact is they are taking jobs in construction, on farms, housekeeping etc... Now you may argue that how many people want to work these jobs, but id say any unemployed worker would take a job on a manufacturing line, construction, or even in any industry. Fact of the matter is, businesses pay less money for the workers. There were 2.5 million new jobs created last year. 700,000 were filled by illegals. How can you argue that they arent taking jobs? If you think there is a infinite amount of jobs, go tell that to the millions of unemployed workers and the failing job market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 build a big fence, and throw them over it back to the mother land...and if they try to come back...shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vthokies4life 10 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 There is a set amount of jobs anyway, How many jobs is that then? You say that 2.5 million jobs were created last year. Is it impossible for X number of jobs to ever be created again? I say jobs are "infinite" because, in reality, there is no set number of jobs "allowed" at one time. If someone wants to go create business, then they are allowed to create business. This is America after all. You may make a rebuttal saying something along the lines of, "tell that to millions of jobless Americans" again. Well, I had a friend who, at the age of 16, started a small business simply detailing cars. He started with friends, his friends told their friends, etc. Being 16 and from southwest virginia, he didn't have a huge expendable budget to get his idea off the ground. So it doesn't take huge loans to start a business, just a little idea and a will to succeed. If he could do it, anyone could do it. Maybe that's what I would tell a jobless American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 How many jobs is that then? You say that 2.5 million jobs were created last year. Is it impossible for X number of jobs to ever be created again? I say jobs are "infinite" because, in reality, there is no set number of jobs "allowed" at one time. If someone wants to go create business, then they are allowed to create business. This is America after all. You may make a rebuttal saying something along the lines of, "tell that to millions of jobless Americans" again. Well, I had a friend who, at the age of 16, started a small business simply detailing cars. He started with friends, his friends told their friends, etc. Being 16 and from southwest virginia, he didn't have a huge expendable budget to get his idea off the ground. So it doesn't take huge loans to start a business, just a little idea and a will to succeed. If he could do it, anyone could do it. Maybe that's what I would tell a jobless American. I agree completely. Thats why I hate socialism. We all can succeed. We all have the same rights, priviledges and freedoms. However, you can not deny the fact that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away. Sure, jobs can be created, but not in monopolistic markets. (No this isnt a monopoly we are talking about.) The giant businesses who have have a lot of employees are in this market. In this market, it is extremely hard to get into, and to break profit. Now, these businesses are using Illegals. Which takes jobs away. Sure, tons of small businesses can create jobs. But the majority of jobs for low-skill people are in major conglomerates and businesses. That cant just happen overnight. At this point there isnt a surplus of jobs, and in big cities you cant start small businesses and hope they work. There are too many specialized companies. Lets face it, big companies control employees, and when they go out and use illegals, they are taking jobs that an American is probably more qualified for and deserves by being a tax paying citizen. Now who would want to deny the right for a fellow american a job? I know I wouldnt, and I hope you arent Hokies, although im not really sure what the point is of your argument besides yes this is america and anyone can succeed, surrounding the job production... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 build a big fence, and throw them over it back to the mother land...and if they try to come back...shoot. You sound like Ol Mr. Nugent. Too bad many liberals believe he is to harsh when he says if an illegal crosses the border armed, we should shoot them. I personally love the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 You sound like Ol Mr. Nugent. Too bad many liberals believe he is to harsh when he says if an illegal crosses the border armed, we should shoot them. I personally love the idea. Uncle Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Inherent in this discussion, I believe, is the American sense of entitlement. I hear the argument often that illegals are taking the jobs "Americans don't want". Of course we don't want them, because so many people in this country feel that you should be able to come out with a high school diploma and earn $20+/hour in the marketplace. With 67% of high school graduates now going to college, this idea seems rather unfeasible, doesn't it? It won't happen, but people need to realize that unless you further your education, the vast majority of the time you're destined for a menial labor job. That's the way the world works. My little interposition is thus: even though Americans "don't want" jobs on farms picking watermelons single-handedly, the fact that illegals are taking these jobs DOES rid the marketplace of a job for a viable American. Even though an Amercian "doesn't want it", when push comes to shove, if it's the difference between that American going without food and water in the summertime, then they'll work it! Too much poverty among our citizens to give illegals jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Uncle Ted My mind went blank so I went with Mr. Nugent lol... Have any of you read his new book? Mine is in the mail, or should be... I absolutely love the Nuge, and his way of life... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmaker 10 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 i have to agree with you observer. the "illeagals" arent taking jobs americians want by inlarge they are fiilling positions americians wont do. think of it this way, if someone made 20$ hourly to harvest crops it would cost the farmer nearly twice that (after payroll taxes, compensation, and or benifits ) to harvest. how much would your taters and onions cost then? i perfer to have them documented as guest workers and pay them 20 bucks a day and have cheap veggies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 well...just a point...no one wants these jobs because they are hard work and don't pay crap...that's because people know they can get the Mexicans to do it for dirt cheap on the illegal side...you take those people out of the picture and pay some americans what the job should pay for the work involved and you would find people who would work it...I'm sure. They are basically watering down the labor force on the lower end jobs... But...hey on the plus side...you can get a bag of apples for $5 where as if you had to pay someone to pick them it would probably be $10...so...it's a give and take I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest waverider24 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 lets bring back slavery but, just for mexicans. Is that whats goin on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 nope...just kick out anyone who doesn't belong here...I don't care who/what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 well...just a point...no one wants these jobs because they are hard work and don't pay crap...that's because people know they can get the Mexicans to do it for dirt cheap on the illegal side...you take those people out of the picture and pay some americans what the job should pay for the work involved and you would find people who would work it...I'm sure. They are basically watering down the labor force on the lower end jobs... But...hey on the plus side...you can get a bag of apples for $5 where as if you had to pay someone to pick them it would probably be $10...so...it's a give and take I think. Good points made here. Goes right back to my point about the American sense of entitlement, though. It's hard work, but it's unskilled work. It should pay less than what a nurse/teacher/AEP worker receives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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