trublue 939 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Saw this on VA Preps. VIRGINIA HIGH SCHOOL LEAGUE February 3, 2012 *Initial Proposed 2013-14 and 2014-15 Alignment Plan – MODEL ONLY USING SEPTEMBER 30, 2011 Numbers—Changes noted in red http://www.vhsl.org/files/rr-2013-15-proposed-alignment-plan-model.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampIsHere 10 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Saw this on VA Preps. VIRGINIA HIGH SCHOOL LEAGUE February 3, 2012 *Initial Proposed 2013-14 and 2014-15 Alignment Plan – MODEL ONLY USING SEPTEMBER 30, 2011 Numbers—Changes noted in red http://www.vhsl.org/files/rr-2013-15-proposed-alignment-plan-model.pdf do you realize how lucky richlands is getting with this??? Really the only power house teams they will play will be Gate City, Union, and Giles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barondawg77 115 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Should get interesting come playoff time since they won't let teams "play up" divisions anymore with the new plan. Phoebus will be Div 4 too! Salem, Pulaski, Carroll County... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barondawg77 115 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 do you realize how lucky richlands is getting with this??? Really the only power house teams they will play will be Gate City, Union, and Giles... Gretna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampIsHere 10 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 forgot about gretna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucfan64 307 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 do you realize how lucky richlands is getting with this??? Really the only power house teams they will play will be Gate City, Union, and Giles... Not trying to defend Richlands here, but what is unfair about them playing schools within a certain parameter of size? Based on your reasoning, the old system would have been "unfair" to Richlands due to their smaller enrollment. Not trying to argue, just making a point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 add in Clintwood. In 2015, they'll add Haysi & Erv. to become a 700ish D2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampIsHere 10 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 add in Clintwood. In 2015, they'll add Haysi & Erv. to become a 700ish D2. Therefore most of the Powerhouse Div. 2 teams will be from this end of the state... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampIsHere 10 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Not trying to defend Richlands here, but what is unfair about them playing schools within a certain parameter of size? Based on your reasoning, the old system would have been "unfair" to Richlands due to their smaller enrollment. Not trying to argue, just making a point! not saying its unfair....Im a nader and I think this is great.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Graham and Grundy are both 2's...why not just put them back in the SWD...grrrrrr. not that i want to play Richlands again or anything...lol...but, still...they are 2x the size of the schools in the BDD and a natural fit for the SWD as well as a founding member....perfect chance to bring it back together again...gone. I'd like to see JSB and Lebanon back in the SWD as well. That would be all 2's + Abingdon, all schools would be easy to travel to...and aside from Richlands in football... competitive across the board at this time and in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampIsHere 10 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Graham and Grundy are both 2's...why not just put them back in the SWD...grrrrrr. not that i want to play Richlands again or anything...lol...but, still...they are 2x the size of the schools in the BDD and a natural fit for the SWD as well as a founding member....perfect chance to bring it back together again...gone. I'd like to see JSB and Lebanon back in the SWD as well. That would be all 2's + Abingdon, all schools would be easy to travel to...and aside from Richlands in football... competitive across the board at this time and in the near future. would be cool to get the band back together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog 82 11 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Looking at the Piedmont Dist...what happened to the rule that the VHSL wouldn't form a district with more than 3 divisions? Martinsville will be AA, Magna Vista AAA, Bassett, and GW Danville AAAA and Halifax is AAAAA. That's 4 different divisions in the Piedmont Dist.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futbolking 766 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) do you realize how lucky richlands is getting with this??? Really the only power house teams they will play will be Gate City, Union, and Giles... Gretna.....Floyd County....Essex....Goochland...Buckingham....Martinsville.....Riverheads....Appamattox....and probably several more that I can't think of off the top of my head.... Edited February 7, 2012 by futbolking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichlandsAlum 678 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Looking at the Piedmont Dist...what happened to the rule that the VHSL wouldn't form a district with more than 3 divisions? Martinsville will be AA, Magna Vista AAA, Bassett, and GW Danville AAAA and Halifax is AAAAA. That's 4 different divisions in the Piedmont Dist.. The guidelines actually refer to a "span" of three divisions. I was thinking that was an inclusive range (i.e. you could have AA, AAA, and AAAA, for example). But apparently it is simply mathematical (from 2 to 5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichlandsAlum 678 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Gretna.....Floyd County....Essex....Goochland...Buckingham....Martinsville.....Riverheads....Appamattox....and probably several more that I can't think of off the top of my head.... Yep. No reason to expect that Richlands will be any more competitive on a state level within the new Division 2 than they have been in the current Division 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futbolking 766 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Gretna.....Floyd County....Essex....Goochland...Buckingham....Martinsville.....Riverheads....Appamattox....and probably several more that I can't think of off the top of my head.... Amelia...Madison County...Nottoway....Buffalo Gap...Bruton.....(dare I say Graham in a couple of years).... absolutely right....no worries at all...very lucky indeed... Edited February 7, 2012 by futbolking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoard 18 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Based on the VHSL figures, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dogwood schools get moved back to the East if they plan on keeping a relatively even East/West split in the new AA (old Division 2). You'll have former D3 schools Marion, Tazewell, Richlands, Martinsville and RE Lee all moving down and clearly in the western half geographically. There are five Dogwood schools in the new 2A: Gretna, Appomattox, Dan River, Chatham, Nelson County. I'd imagine the western half of 2A to look something like this (using the district affiliations on their site): BDD: Grundy CMD: Battle, Gate City, Lebanon, Lee, VHS LPD: Central, Union MED: Graham, Grayson TRD: Floyd, Giles, Glenvar SWD: Marion, Richlands, Tazewell PIED: Martinsville PIONEER: James River VALLEY: RE Lee SHENANDOAH: Buffalo Gap, E. Rock, S.Jackson, Luray, Page, Riverheads, Wilson Memorial It's possible the VHSL might try to do the sections in fourths (basically just like regions) rather than halves. A regional-type setup isn't a necessity for football, but it probably will be for the other sports where you play more than one game a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPF 409 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 do you realize how lucky richlands is getting with this??? Really the only power house teams they will play will be Gate City, Union, and Giles... This my friends is called arrogance. Can't wait to watch you guys get your ass busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditto 10 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 It's really unfair to judge an entire team/fanbase on one persons opinion... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Saw this on VA Preps. VIRGINIA HIGH SCHOOL LEAGUE February 3, 2012 *Initial Proposed 2013-14 and 2014-15 Alignment Plan – MODEL ONLY USING SEPTEMBER 30, 2011 Numbers—Changes noted in red http://www.vhsl.org/files/rr-2013-15-proposed-alignment-plan-model.pdf Really? They couldn't have put Graham (from the 6-team MED) back into the Southwest (a 4-team district)? LAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampIsHere 10 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 This my friends is called arrogance. Can't wait to watch you guys get your ass busted. I wasn't trying to be arrogant all I was stating was that Richlands could and probably will be more competitive in the Division 2 because there are no teams like Cave Spring, Northside, Brookeville, James Monroe, Handley, Kettle Run, Poquoson, York, etc. I never said that the whole divison 2 wouldn't be competitive also and I also never said that Richlands would kick everyones ass in division 2 I was just stating that I "think" Richlands got lucky with the new system as in they will not have to play all those other teams mentioned before...Quit being so quick to call me out on being arrogant, I in no way was being arrogant..."Can't wait to watch you guys get your ass busted" we already did...this year...you shouldve been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichlandsAlum 678 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Really? They couldn't have put Graham (from the 6-team MED) back into the Southwest (a 4-team district)?LAME. I'm really perplexed about the role of districts now. 4 teams doesn't seem to serve any purpose whatsoever. Given the flexibility of interdivisional membership, I would submit that some kind of minimum membership requirement be instituted for all districts. For example, perhaps champions of districts with at least 7 members would automatically qualify for the playoffs. Those from smaller districts would not have the same guarantee. (And I'll confess that I'm mainly concerned with protecting the viability of the district system as it has existed in Virginia for a very long time.) I would love to understand the Committee's rationale behind its proposal. Seems like we're headed toward a West Virginia model, but that doesn't exactly jibe with the latest proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityofRaven 2,443 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Graham and Grundy are both 2's...why not just put them back in the SWD...grrrrrr. not that i want to play Richlands again or anything...lol...but, still...they are 2x the size of the schools in the BDD and a natural fit for the SWD as well as a founding member....perfect chance to bring it back together again...gone. I'd like to see JSB and Lebanon back in the SWD as well. That would be all 2's + Abingdon, all schools would be easy to travel to...and aside from Richlands in football... competitive across the board at this time and in the near future. I don't think the powers to be in Bristol would let Battle and Va High be in separate districts again. Might be wrong. I'd trade Honaker for Battle along with getting Graham and Grundy back in the mix. But...we all know this is the VHSL so what would make the most sense usually doesn't happen. At least Carroll is gone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm really perplexed about the role of districts now. 4 teams doesn't seem to serve any purpose whatsoever. Given the flexibility of interdivisional membership, I would submit that some kind of minimum membership requirement be instituted for all districts. For example, perhaps champions of districts with at least 7 members would automatically qualify for the playoffs. Those from smaller districts would not have the same guarantee. (And I'll confess that I'm mainly concerned with protecting the viability of the district system as it has existed in Virginia for a very long time.) I would love to understand the Committee's rationale behind its proposal. Seems like we're headed toward a West Virginia model, but that doesn't exactly jibe with the latest proposal. It's clear that the ones brokering this arrangement don't understand (1) the new SWD is equal, or better, from a geographic perspective than the MED and (2) Graham/Tazewell/Richlands/etc. have been playing each other for what seems like 100 years. I can't open the VHSL's link on my computer, but it just occurred to me: if Lebanon is a 2 in the new format, then it makes less than 0 sense for the Southwest to pass Lebanon up, especially with a 4-team arrangement. On the whole, though, I agree with your assertion. In the shift toward the statewide system, districts for football seem awfully irrelevant with nothing tying them to playoff spots. Districts with fewer teams seem more irrelevant still. I like your proposal to tie in a district bid to a playoff spot, but I hope that would necessitate consolidating some of the tiny districts so that you make the district title mean something again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoard 18 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 What people need to realize here is that this initial plan is just that---an initial one. It looks as if the VHSL just needed to put together a starting point that's relatively close to the current district alignments, then give the schools the chance to appeal the placements. I doubt the SWD will end up with only four schools. If nothing else, I think Carroll County will want to stay rather than move to the River Ridge. If they wanted to move, they would have tried to do so before now. It's going to be interesting how the RRD and Blue Ridge end up....I doubt Franklin County is going to want to go to the Seminole with so many Roanoke area schools close by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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