eagles99trd 10 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I've posted before, I used to live in the Abingdon area, no longer do. Am trying to get back into keeping up with swva football more. I'm curious about what most schools in the area run on offense and defense. From what I've researched already it looks like Abingdon has moved from the spread to more of an I look, not sure about their defense. Va high is wing-t I believe. Again not sure about defense. What about PH? Chilhowie? J.Battle? Anyone else? Please overlook the fact that I am an old Abingdon guy. I just love football and really like to study what others do. Thanks for the insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasDenton 79 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Battle primarily tried to run the Wing T last year, same as VHS, but used the Spread a lot too (especially when the Wing T didn't work). Don't remember what the defense was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Haysi - alot of spread(under center and shotgun, 2x2 and 3x1) some 3 wide split backs and a ton of other stuff, whatever is working Chilhowie - Wishbone(1 SE, 1 TE). I believe the same thing they have been running for years Edited June 25, 2012 by redtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhschamps04 15 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I've posted before, I used to live in the Abingdon area, no longer do. Am trying to get back into keeping up with swva football more. I'm curious about what most schools in the area run on offense and defense. From what I've researched already it looks like Abingdon has moved from the spread to more of an I look, not sure about their defense. Va high is wing-t I believe. Again not sure about defense. What about PH? Chilhowie? J.Battle? Anyone else? Please overlook the fact that I am an old Abingdon guy. I just love football and really like to study what others do. Thanks for the insight. The Most ironic thing is this post is that Abingdon does not even know what D they run lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 he just asked a question, he even said he doesent live there anymore and just wanted to keep up with whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO 316 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 The Most ironic thing is this post is that Abingdon does not even know what D they run lol Thanks for reinforcing my point though. Haters gotta hate, huh? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigrhsfan 884 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Thanks for reinforcing my point though. Haters gotta hate, huh? Wow. Anybody else find this post a little ironic......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles99trd 10 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Thanks for the responses so far fellas. Anybody run any flex bone triple option like GT or Navy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhschamps04 15 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Carrol is about the only team i can think of that runs the triple Option like GT the only exception is rather than blocking like GT they just chop block so i guess they run it a little different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukey 31 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Carroll is a straight Wing T team.......usually base out of 1 back set. Run Trap, Jet form 1 back and belly and scissors from traditional two back Wing T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasDenton 79 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Carrol is about the only team i can think of that runs the triple Option like GT the only exception is rather than blocking like GT they just chop block so i guess they run it a little different. Isn't chop blocking illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO 316 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Abingdon, under the current staff, had run the spread O until last year. They switched to a base pro set last year. They base their D in a 5-0. I could go on for hours about what they SHOULD do...but you didn't ask that so I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhschamps04 15 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Isn't chop blocking illegal? That is my point that is what they teach them down in CC to do if they were not being taught that way every game there would not but someone doing it almost every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 there is a big difference between a "cut" block and a "chop", not saying you dont know what you are talking about Rhschamps04 but could you define what CC does? Cutting at anypoint down field or on the line after the initial snap of the ball is illegal. Holston was running Splitbacks and some veer but I dont know if they did last season or not? Clintwood uses some option to offset their power running game(mainly to attack the weakside when they are in Pro-I, although last season they just stuck w/ power runs). Haysi runs some read option from 2x2. Im not for sure but Union may have read some of their Belly/Double Dive series last season but im not sure, it may have been called dive or lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasDenton 79 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Cutting at anypoint down field or on the line after the initial snap of the ball is illegal. Wait, how is cut blocking on the line illegal? I thought cut blocking is, more or less, where the o-lineman rolls his body into the defensive lineman, tripping him up, and chop blocking (the illegal one) is where the o-lineman hits or "chops" the d-lineman in the knees with his hands/arms (which could cause major injury). Or am I just getting something confused here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Ok, chop block a defender is engaged with a blocker and another blocker cuts his legs(either from the front or the side), VERY VERY dangerous and illegal cut block a blocker cuts a defenders legs from the front, you aim at their shins and use your shoulder pads, if you use your hands thats tripping and is illegal. In HS can only be done at the snap of the ball, never delayed or downfield and never from the side, rolling is also considered tripping and is illegal. Around here alot of teams dont cut that much so when you do a blocker can almost "bear crawl" and the defender will trip over him, Double Wing(superpower toss sweep) and Single Wing teams will do that to cover a pulling guards gap, its called a log block Alot of people talk about "dirty" chop blocking when its really just cut blocking. I have never seen Carroll Co play so I dont know what they do(but I have heard more than 1-2 people say they are dirty). Pay attention to a NFL or College game and on run plays offensive linemen will cut block on the back side of a run. GT and Navy cut block on Corners and Safteys every play which often springs their QB or RB for a big gain, they also cut on their Rocket Sweep(toss sweep) play. If they run the option for a touchdown I guarantee 1-2 defenders are lying on the ground Edited June 26, 2012 by redtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasDenton 79 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Ok, chop block a defender is engaged with a blocker and another blocker cuts his legs(either from the front or the side), VERY VERY dangerous and illegal cut block a blocker cuts a defenders legs from the front, you aim at their shins and use your shoulder pads, if you use your hands thats tripping and is illegal. In HS can only be done at the snap of the ball, never delayed or downfield and never from the side, rolling is also considered tripping and is illegal. Around here alot of teams dont cut that much so when you do a blocker can almost "bear crawl" and the defender will trip over him, Double Wing(superpower toss sweep) and Single Wing teams will do that to cover a pulling guards gap, its called a log block Alot of people talk about "dirty" chop blocking when its really just cut blocking. I have never seen Carroll Co play so I dont know what they do(but I have heard more than 1-2 people say they are dirty). Pay attention to a NFL or College game and on run plays offensive linemen will cut block on the back side of a run. GT and Navy cut block on Corners and Safteys every play which often springs their QB or RB for a big gain, they also cut on their Rocket Sweep(toss sweep) play. If they run the option for a touchdown I guarantee 1-2 defenders are lying on the ground Ok, I gotcha. I misunderstood and thought you were saying that you couldn't do it on the line at the snap, but you meant after the snap (don't know why I misread that, lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 yeah, for example when pass blocking a Tackle cant let the Defensive End come up field a couple of steps then cut him, it has to be initial contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles99trd 10 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Abingdon, under the current staff, had run the spread O until last year. They switched to a base pro set last year. They base their D in a 5-0. I could go on for hours about what they SHOULD do...but you didn't ask that so I won't. Well I'd love to hear those thoughts. I asked about teams running the flex bone triple option because that's what came to mind when I thought of abingdon. It's a great equalizer if used 100% and others schools don't see it often. It's so tough to simulate in practice. Just my two cents. I know atown has lots of issues off the field, I'm just at a loss why a team that's twice the size of half their schedule can't be very competitive each and every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 The Double Slot triple option is good if you have 2 balanced RBs(seems like Abingdon doesent have that kind of talent). I like it because you can run spread and Wishbone type plays from the same formation. Come out with it BigO, what do you think? As long as you dont say 5 wide spread or double tights Wishbone I dont think you will catch too much hell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhschamps04 15 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 there is a big difference between a "cut" block and a "chop", not saying you dont know what you are talking about Rhschamps04 but could you define what CC does? Cutting at anypoint down field or on the line after the initial snap of the ball is illegal. Holston was running Splitbacks and some veer but I dont know if they did last season or not? Clintwood uses some option to offset their power running game(mainly to attack the weakside when they are in Pro-I, although last season they just stuck w/ power runs). Haysi runs some read option from 2x2. Im not for sure but Union may have read some of their Belly/Double Dive series last season but im not sure, it may have been called dive or lead. The way CC blocks most of the time is when the defender is ingaged with another player they come from behined and take out the knees and they do that all the way down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehcwasp 27 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 offensive linemen can cut anywhere in the box, while the ball is in that area - the box is basically from tackle to tackle, within a yard or two (give or take) of the LOS....you can cut any defender that is in the "box" at the snap of the ball, whether a run or pass...if a LB walks up and shows his blitz, he can be cut - as long as it happens in the "box" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlung 10 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The way CC blocks most of the time is when the defender is ingaged with another player they come from behined and take out the knees and they do that all the way down the line. Isn't that impossible to do all the way down the line. You don't have enough players to do that do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) offensive linemen can cut anywhere in the box, while the ball is in that area - the box is basically from tackle to tackle, within a yard or two (give or take) of the LOS....you can cut any defender that is in the "box" at the snap of the ball, whether a run or pass...if a LB walks up and shows his blitz, he can be cut - as long as it happens in the "box" Im 99% sure that you are wrong(at least in VA) as far as cutting anywhere in the box. You are right on the linebackers walking up, they can be cut as long as they are at or very near the LOS Maybe Stripes or Helper can chime in? If thats how Carroll does it that is VERY dangerous and VERY dirty. Edited June 29, 2012 by redtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 932 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Cutting (or blocking below the waist), blocking the back, clipping is permitted in the free blocking zone (appox 4 yards on either side of the snap, and 3 yards behind each line of scrimmage) when these conditions are met: a. All players involved in the blocking are onthe line of scrimmage and in the zone at the snap. b. The contact is in the zone. With that said, a LB just stepped up doesnt necessarily make him eligible to be cut. He has to actually be walked up onto the LOS. Also, as said above, as soon as the ball leaves the zone, you cannot cut the defender. This is where spread teams get away with too much IMO. To cut in a shotgun offense, your linemans first action better be toward the ground. If they raise up and then drop down to cut it should be flagged generally. As for the combination style block Rhschamps04 mentions, that is illegal no matter where the ball is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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