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Basically a ban on wood burning stoves...

 

No... no it's not.  

 

The EPA is suggesting everyone switch to a wood stove that 1.) will help preserve our collective health and 2.) save the owner some money.  It will take less wood to heat a home than before.  I'm not trying to be contentious, but could you show me where they plan on "banning" wood burning stoves?  

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my understanding is that the new emissions requirements will be basically unachievable, except for expensive models. Which would basically eliminate most new wood burning stoves. Models already installed would be grandfathered in.

 

If i'm misunderstanding this then please explain it to me.

 

If towns/cities want to ban the use of wood stoves or have very strict emissions requirements I can understand that, in a crowded neighborhood several wood stoves would be a legit issue, but I don't see how wood burning stoves are that big of an issue in a rural setting. To me its a local issue, not a national one. I see it as an intrusion by the EPA and nothing more.

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The EPA is suggesting everyone switch to a wood stove that 1.) will help preserve our collective health and 2.) save the owner some money.  It will take less wood to heat a home than before.  I'm not trying to be contentious, but could you show me where they plan on "banning" wood burning stoves?  

 

 

Save the owner money?  So, you are going to want me to buy a new stove (cost more $$$) and it takes less wood (generally talking about wood pellets/compressed wood pieces) which I would have to buy (cost more $$) vs. go buy a couple of gallons of gas and oil mix and cut down a few trees and split myself which I can do for less than probably $20 on the year to heat my house during the winter. Oh yeah, and cost me some sweat and effort.  Thank God the EPA is trying save me money, just for the life of me I cant figure out how that's going to happen unless they give me a new "more efficient" stove, and supply the burning materials for free.

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The EPA did some good things years ago when there was horrible smog in places like LA and NYC but now they coming up with some ridiculous requirements and it seems like very few people in Washington will oppose them. I don't know why people aren't hearing alarms and seeing flashing warning lights when they see the government trying to do stuff like this. When the government starts dictating what kind of stoves people can own and the kind of wood that can be burnt in their homes then our freedom in this country is fading fast. I would love to have seen my grandparents reaction if the government had told them what kind of wood they could burn back in the 50's and 60's.

Our freedom is rapidly disappearing in this country and it seems like only a few realize it. 

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No... no it's not.  

 

The EPA is suggesting everyone switch to a wood stove that 1.) will help preserve our collective health and 2.) save the owner some money.  It will take less wood to heat a home than before.  I'm not trying to be contentious, but could you show me where they plan on "banning" wood burning stoves?  

 

I can sense you are beginning to lean left, young big-city lawyer...

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No... no it's not.

 

The EPA is suggesting everyone switch to a wood stove that 1.) will help preserve our collective health and 2.) save the owner some money. It will take less wood to heat a home than before. I'm not trying to be contentious, but could you show me where they plan on "banning" wood burning stoves?

I suggest that all bikes over 16" be banned. We'll be saving the owners money, and we'll be protecting the Earth from destructive riding. But we aren't banning bikes...

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The other day I searched most efficient wood stoves, did not know and couldn't believe they make wood stoves that cost $6000 dollars and more. 

 

So when that poor old fellow living out there in a cabin can't afford one of these does that mean he'll just have to freeze?

 

What would the CAVEMAN do in this day and time? 

 

They've lost their mines in outer space but they keep this up they will find earth in a hard way.

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The way I understand it the highly efficient/highly expensive ones are the only ones the EPA wants to be legal.

 

So when you build a hunting cabin and want to install a wood stove, well its gonna really cost ya.

 

When your older and decide to downsize into a "tiny home" and put in a wood stove, well its gonna cost ya.

 

When our powerplants all run on natural gas, our home heat is natural gas and demand for natural gas goes is thru the roof (and the price rises to match demand) resulting in high power bills, and you decide to supplement your heating needs with a wood stove, its gonna cost ya.

 

and if we really want to buy into the conspiracy theory 

 

When demand for natural gas is outrageous and the government decides to nationalize natural gas production to "help" those that cant afford their heating bills and the government decides how much natural gas/power you are "allowed" per month to ensure everyone gets an "equal", "fair" share, remember it started here when the government thought it would decide that you weren't entitled to a right that's older than time itself. 

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Ah, I forgot I had commented in this thread.  My apologies.  

 

Yes, I am "left" of most (well, all) of the opinions expressed on these boards, but my liberal friends in the cities I've lived in are always on my case for being so conservative, so I guess I just piss everyone off.  It's just that everyone on both sides are so quick to get their panties in a bunch about the most benign and inconsequential things, such as entirely achievable "regulations" to wood burning stoves.  There's so much unnecessary fear-mongering noise that we're all exposed to everyday, that sometimes we should all just take a step back and realized that The Other Side isn't trying to steal our every liberty, or turn us socialist, or are made up troglodyte racists, or etc. etc. etc. 

 

In regards to wood stoves, the EPA proposed (not even passed... they PROPOSED regulations) that update outdated regulations.  Those who have wood stoves already installed can keep them.  I just poked around on a couple websites and saw reasonable priced stoves ($500 - $800) that are well under the 7.5 g/hr, which is the current regulation.  My guess is that IF the EPA even takes the proposal somewhere, the final number they propose will be well above the 1.9 g/hr they've floated out there at this point.  In other words, these "regulations" aren't worth worrying about.  Fox News was just desperate for some more clicks, and they saw this as a good opportunity to do so.  

 

FWIW, I've never voted for a Democrat.  Granted, I wasn't a registered voter here yet when Todd Akin was running for Senate, but still... 

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I consider myself a moderate, I tend to either be a little Liberal in some issues and right on others.

 

As far as the conspiracy theory, I don't think that's what the EPA or Obama is thinking right now but I worry that in 40 years that could be the result. Its our duty to protect the future now.

 

Having our(the U.S.) dependent on only 1 power/heat source concerns me a lot, look at where becoming so dependent on gasoline has gotten us

 

I was sure to post articles from Fox News and Yahoo, I thought that would be fair and balanced(I couldn't help myself). I thought the Yahoo article was actually more critical of the proposed regulations.

 

Im glad to have differing views expressed on here.

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