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Trading Jason Heyward is the final straw for this life-long Braves fan. They'll sign POS players like BJ Upton and Dan Uggla, but trade away a guy like Heyward. I'm rooting for the Cards from this point forward and hopeful JHey makes the Bravos forever regret this decision.

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Oh, now, come on.  You cheered for the Braves during the 1990s and 2000s, when John Schuerholz was notorious for trading away players with 3-4 more quality seasons left in the tank (Fred McGriff, Ryan Klesko, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine) and jumping ship on very promising young talents without giving them any reasonable chance to sustain their promising play (Jermaine Dye, Kevin Millwood) while riding old, weak-hitting veterans to the team's demise (Jeff Blauser, Mark Lemke).  My great-grandmother who passed in 2000 from Alzheimer's would've done a comparable job as GM with the overabundance of talent that fell into Atlanta's lap.  Watching baffling trade after baffling trade should be nothing new to you as an ex-Braves fan, and I'm a bit disappointed that this is the straw that broke your back.

 

This trade actually makes a little sense in theory, but it's poorly conceived.  The Braves need quality arms, which is something that has been crushing to them for a while now.  Shelby Miller won 15 games two seasons ago with St. Louis, and he was .500+ again this season.  His WHIP is a little high, but workable with a good pitching coach.  I don't get adding Jordan Walden in the trade (a promising, young bullpen arm with closer potential) and receiving Tyrell Jenkins in return (not a Major League arm).  

 

Heyward falls into the "good-not-great" category.  His batting is mediocre, and has been nothing but an abject failure in the postseason.  His glove is the redeeming quality.  I think that a trade including Heyward might have been appropriate if St. Louis could've matched Miller with a good minor league prospect and kept Walden out of it.

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1966 1966 NL   5th 85 77 .525 10    

1967 1967 NL   7th 77 85 .475 24.5    

1968 1968 NL   5th 81 81 .500 16    

1969 1969 NL West 1st 93 69 .574 — Lost NLCS to New York Mets, 0-3  

1970 1970 NL West 5th 76 86 .469 26    

1971 1971 NL West 3rd 82 80 .506 8   Earl Williams (ROY)

1972 1972 NL West 4th 70 84 .455 25    

1973 1973 NL West 5th 76 85 .472 22.5    

1974 1974 NL West 3rd 88 74 .543 14    

1975 1975 NL West 5th 67 94 .416 40.5    

1976 1976 NL West 6th 70 92 .432 32    

1977 1977 NL West 6th 61 101 .377 37    

1978 1978 NL West 6th 69 93 .426 26   Bob Horner (ROY)

1979 1979 NL West 6th 66 94 .413 23.5    

1980 1980 NL West 4th 81 80 .503 11    

1981 1981 NL West 5th 50 56 .472 15    

1982 1982 NL West 1st 89 73 .549 — Lost NLCS to St. Louis Cardinals, 0-3 Dale Murphy (MVP)

1983 1983 NL West 2nd 88 74 .543 3   Dale Murphy (MVP)

1984 1984 NL West 2nd 80 82 .494 12    

1985 1985 NL West 5th 66 96 .407 29    

1986 1986 NL West 6th 72 89 .447 23.5    

1987 1987 NL West 5th 69 92 .429 20.5    

1988 1988 NL West 6th 54 106 .338 39.5    

1989 1989 NL West 6th 63 97 .394 28    

1990 1990 NL West 6th 65 97 .401 26

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I knew that, before 1991, Atlanta hadn't won a playoff game since Milwaukee. Bad times.

 

But Schuerholz wasn't exactly the savior. With the talent in the farm system, especially pitching, from the late 80s onward, anyone who didn't physically destroy the franchise would have been an overwhelming success. And Schuerholz almost did that.

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Are any of you aware of how terrible Atlanta was pre-1990???

Absolutely, I grew up watching Dale Murphy and those hideous blue uniforms. The fact, since Ted left the new ownership hasn't been interested in spending money to keep or get players worth a nickel to come to ATL.

 

For me, the Heyward trade is the final straw. They made no attempts to sign or even negotiate with him. The Braves are under the impression that the only thing a MLB team needs is pitching, runs aren't important. The pitching was good enough this year for ATL to be a 90-95 win team, but the offense was pathetic...AGAIN and it's going to be even worse next year. Now you remove Heyward defensively and plug in possibly Gattis? That's a cluster**** waiting to happen. Now the rumors are they're looking to trade J. Upton for two more pitchers from SEA? Are you freakin' serious? If that happens several of us on this board could make the batting order.

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they lost a bunch of those this year :) I have been a lifelong Braves fan, and YES I remember all the bad years. I think the 14 straight division titles paid me back for the long suffering.

Sorry Observer, Glavine and Maddux were free agents if I recall and they chose not to tender a contract just like with Smoltz at the end. Glavine was probably the worst decision.. should've signed him he should've been a Brave lifer.

I want to give John Hart a chance. BJ got Frank Wren fired, I wish they could fire him again.

Braves are meeting with Jon Lester on Thursday.. not sure if he can hit or not :)

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  • 1 year later...

Thought the title of this thread appropriate as fans attendance at the games this year has tanked.  Hmmm...wonder why?

The team was decimated by trades ...and now Fredi has been fired for NOT winning.  Really???  Don't think Casey Stengel could have done any better with this team at this point in the season...

 

Couple quotes from Casey....

 

Been in this game one-hundred years, but I see new ways to lose 'em I never knew existed before.

 

Finding good players is easy. Getting them to play as a team is another story.

 

 

 

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Fredi was a terrible manager, and deserved to be axed well before this. But it is true that no coach in history could win with this roster. The farm system is allegedly impressive, but it appears over time that this is nothing but lip service.

 

The Braves are poor and will likely be poor for a very long time.

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The following says it all about the chaotic state of the Braves organization at this time:

 

excerpt:


PITTSBURGH — Finding out you’ve been fired is never easy, but imagine finding out the way that Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez did late Monday.

An hour or so after the Braves’ 8-5 series-opening loss to the Pirates, a person familiar with the situation said Gonzalez received an email notifying him of his scheduled flight to Atlanta on Tuesday afternoon.

That was a bad sign, since the four-game series in Pittsburgh runs through Thursday.

 

http://jeffschultz.blog.myajc.com/2016/05/18/braves-handling-of-firing-of-gonzalez-takes-clumsy-to-a-new-level/

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 The farm system is allegedly impressive, but it appears over time that this is nothing but lip service.

 

 

 

The farm system was crap until all the trades.   It was ranked in the bottom 5 3 seasons ago by most baseball ranking systems.  Not until this year did it crack the top 5 again like it was from basically the late 80s til 2010 or so.

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