Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 I did my best to find them all. If I missed one let me know. Only goes back to 1920. Undefeated AND untied. Virginia-------------------------------------------------------------- Graham 1958 10-0 Burrhead Bradley Saltville 1930 8-0 Ray Buchanan 1934 9-0 Leonard Mauck 1935 9-0 Leonard Mauck 1953 9-0 Jessee James 1954 9-0 Jessee James 1966 10-0 Harry Johnson Richlands 1992 14-0 Dennis Vaught 2006 14-0 Greg Mance Virginia High 1933 11-0 Pidney Porterfield Appalachia 1932 9-0 Don Fletcher 1941 9-0 Billy Hicks 1966 10-0 Jim Riggs 1969 10-0 Jim Riggs 1971 13-0 Jim Riggs Powell Valley 1990 14-0 Phil Robbins 1995 14-0 Phil Robbins 1997 14-0 Phil Robbins 1998 14-0 Phil Robbins Castlewood 1965 9-0 Tommy Fletcher Clintwood 1962 10-0 Ralph Cummins 1975 13-0 Ralph Cummins 1978 13-0 Ralph Cummins Coeburn 1938 9-0 Bill Bowman Dublin 1958 10-0 Gene Crookshank Garden 1959 8-0 P. L. Williams Gate City 1965 10-0 Harry Fry 1967 10-0 Harry Fry 1970 13-0 Harry Fry 1974 13-0 Harry Fry 2003 14-0 Nick Colobro George Wythe 1947 11-0 Les Parson Giles 1980 14-0 Steve Ragsdale 1993 14-0 Steve Ragsdale 2013 15-0 Jeff Williams Glade Spring 1958 8-0 Roy Miller J. I. Burton 1972 13-0 James Dotson J. J. Kelly 1944 6-0 Verlin Gilliam 1956 9-0 Gothard Bays Narrows 1938 7-0 Harry Ragsdale 1939 10-0 Harry Ragsdale 1960 9-0 Harry Ragsdale 1961 9-0 Harry Ragsdale 1962 9-0 Harry Ragsdale Pulaski 1951 11-0 Vic Kreiter Rich Valley 1943 7-0 Leon Noel Radford 1971 13-0 Norman Lineburg 1972 13-0 Norman Lineburg West Virginia-------------------------------------------------------------------- Bluefield 1940 9-0 Bill Dole 1959 11-0 Merrill Gainer 1960 10-0 Merrill Gainer 1962 11-0 Merrill Gainer 1965 11-0 Merrill Gainer 1967 11-0 Merrill Gainer 1968 9-0 John Chmara 1997 14-0 Fred Simon 2004 14-0 Fred Simon 2007 13-0 Fred Simon 2017 14-0 Fred Simon Princeton 1943 8-0 Lee Patton Big Creek 1932 9-0 Tubby Law 1934 11-0 Tubby Law 1955 9-0 Merrill Gainer 1957 10-0 Merrill Gainer Athens 1928 7-0 Joe Vachon Northfork 1973 12-0 John Brandt Gary 1950 10-0 Bob Goosens 1970 11-0 Sid Cure Welch 1963 10-0 Tony Colobro Union 1938 8-0 Haskell Shumate (six man) 1941 8-0 Rufus Houchins (six man) 1963 10-0 Leonard Houchins Peterstown 1948 10-0 Tom Ballard (six man) 1950 8-0 Tom Ballard (six man) 1991 14-0 Donnie Jackson Blue Cannonball, redtiger and Liam McPoyle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Tom Turner never had an undefeated season? That's crazy. Looks like he had a good chance in 1993, undefeated going into the state title game but lost 10-6. They won a state title after going 5-5 in the regular season, talk about getting hot at the perfect time. Liam McPoyle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 And from 1994 thru 1998, five seasons, PV lost only six games. And four came in one season, 96. Pretty incredible run, they had only two more losses than state titles (6-4) Warriors_XO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriors_XO 214 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, BigWinners said: And from 1994 thru 1998, five seasons, PV lost only six games. And four came in one season, 96. Pretty incredible run, they had only two more losses than state titles (6-4) 2 NFL tailbacks certainly helped with that run! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 16 hours ago, BigWinners said: Tom Turner never had an undefeated season? That's crazy. Looks like he had a good chance in 1993, undefeated going into the state title game but lost 10-6. They won a state title after going 5-5 in the regular season, talk about getting hot at the perfect time. Never did. With PV and GC on the schedule there weren't many years conducive to an undefeated season. It takes a lot of talent and some luck. Undefeated with a State Title is a VERY impressive feat. An undefeated regular season is hard enough. BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, jonah58 said: 2 NFL tailbacks certainly helped with that run! Absolutely it did. But other schools around had elite talent too, tons of guys that went to places like VT, WVU, UVA, etc.. If it was just either Jones brother and a mediocre team surrounding them, no way the team succeeds at such a level. Too many great teams around that could beat them. Warriors_XO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Cannonball 40 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BigWinners said: Absolutely it did. But other schools around had elite talent too, tons of guys that went to places like VT, WVU, UVA, etc.. If it was just either Jones brother and a mediocre team surrounding them, no way the team succeeds at such a level. Too many great teams around that could beat them. Agree with this. Across the board, talent in SWVA was at a high point in the mid-late 90s...at least in the ‘recent’ era. Maybe it’s the Devil in me, but I’d take the ‘70 GC team over any other on that list. Hard to compare, I know, with the change in the game and athleticism, but based on overall dominance, it’s hard to stack up against that bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Is that Leonard Mauck the one and the same for whom JMU’s stadium is named? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: Is that Leonard Mauck the one and the same for whom JMU’s stadium is named? http://hof.ehc.edu/members/j-leonard-mauck/ Yes it is. Liam McPoyle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Blue Cannonball said: Agree with this. Across the board, talent in SWVA was at a high point in the mid-late 90s...at least in the ‘recent’ era. Maybe it’s the Devil in me, but I’d take the ‘70 GC team over any other on that list. Hard to compare, I know, with the change in the game and athleticism, but based on overall dominance, it’s hard to stack up against that bunch. I know nothing about the 70 GC team, but I'm usually more inclined to side with more recent teams for the reasons you mentioned. Rule changes, more kids training from earlier ages and improving their athleticism, developments in schemes and philosophy, etc... But 25 years isn't a huge gap and it's entirely possible the best of the 70s could beat the best of the 90s on the right day. The best of the 40s or whatever gets smashed by the best of the 90s or 00s, but by the 70s the game was evolving and players (while usually being smaller) were trained pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 For example, I think the 1939 Narrows team would lose to the 2006 Richlands by 40+ points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam McPoyle 1,863 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BigWinners said: For example, I think the 1939 Narrows team would lose to the 2006 Richlands by 40+ points. I agree. The Narrows players would be in their mid-80s by then. No way they catch Caleb Jennings. GC_Quincy, Deleted Account, BigWinners and 6 others 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Liam McPoyle said: I agree. The Narrows players would be in their mid-80s by then. No way they catch Caleb Jennings. Hah touche. I meant prime v. prime, but you knew that. teams with a 120lb C and 20 pass attempts for a season would get murdered by a good team now. Imagine them trying to cover a four wide spread set lolol Liam McPoyle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW_VA_boy 492 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 That Narrows team would also being running basically the same offense Giles still runs to this day with at least one lineman that went on to play at South Carolina. Also a team speculated in the press back then of possibly being the first to win 20 straight games. But agreed, the comparison is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plywood_King 517 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 Ah, the 1930s Shakers... The best team money could buy. cityofRaven and Liam McPoyle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapeape 259 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 The 1989 G-Men weren’t undefeated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva_fan 91 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 50 minutes ago, Grapeape said: The 1989 G-Men weren’t undefeated? nope, lost to Salem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 The historical comparisons are not only impossible to prove, but interesting to argue. I would use GC 1970 as an example. That team is unquestionably a juggernaut in comparison to its time, and was likely the most dominant team in relation to its peers in SWVA history. However, kids today as a collective are much faster and much more athletic (though on a whole for this region smaller and not as physical) than back in the 1970s. My honest opinion, I don’t think GC 1970 could beat teams like Graham 2001, Bluefield 2004, or Richlands 2010. Those teams were not only big and physical, but had insane athleticism. Like I said, though...impossible to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: The historical comparisons are not only impossible to prove, but interesting to argue. I would use GC 1970 as an example. That team is unquestionably a juggernaut in comparison to its time, and was likely the most dominant team in relation to its peers in SWVA history. However, kids today as a collective are much faster and much more athletic (though on a whole for this region smaller and not as physical) than back in the 1970s. My honest opinion, I don’t think GC 1970 could beat teams like Graham 2001, Bluefield 2004, or Richlands 2010. Those teams were not only big and physical, but had insane athleticism. Like I said, though...impossible to prove. I agree, but I think the 70s is just far enough back to be competitive. Any older and it's not even close. I think the 70s is about as far back as you can go and still find competitive teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Cannonball 40 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 3 hours ago, UVAObserver said: The historical comparisons are not only impossible to prove, but interesting to argue. I would use GC 1970 as an example. That team is unquestionably a juggernaut in comparison to its time, and was likely the most dominant team in relation to its peers in SWVA history. However, kids today as a collective are much faster and much more athletic (though on a whole for this region smaller and not as physical) than back in the 1970s. My honest opinion, I don’t think GC 1970 could beat teams like Graham 2001, Bluefield 2004, or Richlands 2010. Those teams were not only big and physical, but had insane athleticism. Like I said, though...impossible to prove. Good points and you are right in that a team from 1970 would struggle to deal with the athletes, formations, and play calling that weren’t around in their time. In that sense, most ‘modern’ teams would have the advantage...think ‘72 Dolphins vs a team like the ‘19 Chiefs. The specific question for any team that played the ‘70 Blue Devils is could they load the box and actually stop what everyone knew was coming...Phil and Stan Rogers behind a big, strong offensive line (even by today’s standards). I bleed blue, so I’ll take GC, but like you said, impossible to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCITYHOO 110 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 71 & 72 Radford teams were loaded. In the 2 years they had like 20 players go D1. That's loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueinbama 259 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 Comparing decades is not easy, especially in certain towns and areas in SW Va.. I lived in Saltville from 1960 until 1966, and some of those teams (Shakers) would have destroyed the Saltville (Northwood) teams of today...mainly because of the decrease in population since the early '70's and the closing of Olin-Matheson Chemical Corporation. The talent, probably due to numbers, back then was just better than it is today. Other areas are just the opposite. Some of those football teams in the 1960's were very good, and could compete with any team in the 1970's and probably beyond. That said, I do agree as a whole that teams of the 70's and beyond are better (bigger, faster, stronger), and have utilized the passing game more than they did in the 1960's, but that's not true in every case...Saltville being a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
used2blarge 2 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Blue Cannonball said: Good points and you are right in that a team from 1970 would struggle to deal with the athletes, formations, and play calling that weren’t around in their time. In that sense, most ‘modern’ teams would have the advantage...think ‘72 Dolphins vs a team like the ‘19 Chiefs. The specific question for any team that played the ‘70 Blue Devils is could they load the box and actually stop what everyone knew was coming...Phil and Stan Rogers behind a big, strong offensive line (even by today’s standards). I bleed blue, so I’ll take GC, but like you said, impossible to prove. Always a fun conversation. Stan and Phil were amazing. I've always thought the '88 GC and '97 GC teams would have interesting matchups against the 70s group. Both of those teams (although neither was undefeated) had multiple D1 starters at OL, DL, QB (counting Shoe as a basketball) and LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 hours ago, RCITYHOO said: 71 & 72 Radford teams were loaded. In the 2 years they had like 20 players go D1. That's loaded. Thats insane. I know Radford had a much larger enrollment back then but still, thats like big time Texas school numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Cannonball 40 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, used2blarge said: Always a fun conversation. Stan and Phil were amazing. I've always thought the '88 GC and '97 GC teams would have interesting matchups against the 70s group. Both of those teams (although neither was undefeated) had multiple D1 starters at OL, DL, QB (counting Shoe as a basketball) and LB. Agree with those as interesting matchups — would be some fun Blue-White games at Legion! Splitting hairs, but I think you mean the ‘96 team. Even though ‘97 won the Div 3 title, I think the ‘96 team that lost to Brookville in the semis, was a more talented, dominant team — Shoe, Beasley, and some other big linemen were seniors in ‘96. Just goes to show you anything can happen in the playoffs...I say we beat Brookville 9 out of 10 times in ‘96, but Jefferson Forrest (who we beat in ‘97) probably gets us 9 out of 10 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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