Radford vs GW, Galax vs Glenvar, Giles vs BBurg

[GilesBandanaMan]

Surprised there's not more talk about George Wythe and Radford. That will be interesting from the get-go. I'm taking Radford by 10 pts.

Galax vs Glenvar. I'm taking Glenvar by 13 pts.

Giles vs Blacksburg. I'm going Giles by 1 point.

[SWVAgridiron]

Radford by 21. They don’t have Clark but they’re still very quick and have a shot at 2C

Glenvar by 17. Watching Galax against Narrows and Floyd, either the downfall is finally happening or they played backups.

Blacksburg by 10. Watched them against Glenvar. 2 speedy backs that will torch us if they make it to the edge or second level. We don’t have anyone near fast enough to catch 24 if he gets some running room. I don’t think we will score many points unless we agree to play backups vs backups.

[Union_Fan]

You're right about GW/Radford. The problem is not many posters close enough to have a clue about either team.

I'm one of them. I can speak intelligently about nearly all Reg D teams, but simply have no frame of reference for Reg C.

I'm definitely interested in the outcome of that one plus Glenvar/Galax.

It seems like it's Glenvar's "year" each season only to lose a heartbreaker to Radford or Appo. I know that feeling.

Based on the little bit I do know, it seems like a toss up in 2C and GW or Galax's to lose in 1C.

[GilesBandanaMan]

10 hours ago, SWVAgridiron said:

Radford by 21. They don’t have Clark but they’re still very quick and have a shot at 2C

 

This might be the biggest surprise for Region 2C and Region 2D teams and fans. The fall of Radford losing Clark is real and there will be one, but it's going to be nowhere as close or as bad as many realize. Radford will be good enough to have a very good shot at winning 2C and returning to the state semi game because of their overall team speed

[nrv_football]

Radford wins by ? - still fast, Glenvar wins by a few TDs and Blacksburg vs Giles??? No idea, Blacksburg surely has not improved enough to overcome 35 to 8 from last year or has Giles gotten even worse? This was one of the 3 wins I was giving Giles if they lose they win 1 or 2 tops.

[44cov3]

Radford just seems to reload year after year and while I do believe GW is a very good football team and will be in contention in the end, the difference in div 1 and 2 will stand out.  Probably a 2+ TD win for Radford.

I believe the tipping point for Galax will be seen more this season; for one after seeing them play in a scrimmage a key piece is missing for Galax; a stud RB.  They have had a run of very good RBs for a long time, but this year they are average at best and that will stand out; especially against a very good Defense like Glenvar.  Once again Galax will be a playoff team and very good, but so will Glenvar in div 2.  Glenvar by 2 TDs.

I think Blacksburg will be surprisingly "better" this season, they have a couple of skill guys who can take the top off the defense.  Im not saying they will go 10-0 or even 5-5, but I do think they will "compete" much better this year than the past few seasons.  I do believe those guys will be too much for Giles to handle.....which is div 4 playing a div 1 team so it kinda should be that way.  Blacksburg by 2+ TDs.

[SWVAgridiron]

1 hour ago, nrv_football said:

Radford wins by ? - still fast, Glenvar wins by a few TDs and Blacksburg vs Giles??? No idea, Blacksburg surely has not improved enough to overcome 35 to 8 from last year or has Giles gotten even worse? This was one of the 3 wins I was giving Giles if they lose they win 1 or 2 tops.

Giles is certainly capable of winning but I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost. Bburg is only going to stay down for so long. No they aren’t as good as Cburg but they seen our weaknesses. Containment on the edge, poor pass coverage, and overall lack of speed. This Blacksburg team will be the best they’ve been since 2019 in my opinion. 
 

You also cannot go by what happened last season. During the Covid spring football season Narrows beat Giles 34-0. 6 months later in the fall Giles beat Narrows 41-6. It’s all about what one team loses and the other team gains. 

[NotJustin23]

I think Blacksburg finally breaks a losing streak against Giles. Blacksburg 27 Giles 14 

[nrv_football]

46 minutes ago, SWVAgridiron said:

Giles is certainly capable of winning but I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost. Bburg is only going to stay down for so long. No they aren’t as good as Cburg but they seen our weaknesses. Containment on the edge, poor pass coverage, and overall lack of speed. This Blacksburg team will be the best they’ve been since 2019 in my opinion. 
 

You also cannot go by what happened last season. During the Covid spring football season Narrows beat Giles 34-0. 6 months later in the fall Giles beat Narrows 41-6. It’s all about what one team loses and the other team gains. 

My question is what happened from JV to Varisity for Giles? Did they lose some players? Poor weight room and off-season prep? The JV seemed to have no issues with anyone last year but the success does not seem to carry over into varsity like it used to.

[SWVAgridiron]

20 minutes ago, nrv_football said:

My question is what happened from JV to Varisity for Giles? Did they lose some players? Poor weight room and off-season prep? The JV seemed to have no issues with anyone last year but the success does not seem to carry over into varsity like it used to.

We have had very successful JV squads recently. I too have been hoping it would lead to Varsity success. I do know that we only averaged around 10 kids during summer weight training. That is very disappointing and it has showed over the past few years when teams wear us down in the second half. 

[GilesBandanaMan]

12 minutes ago, SWVAgridiron said:

We have had very successful JV squads recently. I too have been hoping it would lead to Varsity success. I do know that we only averaged around 10 kids during summer weight training. That is very disappointing and it has showed over the past few years when teams wear us down in the second half. 

Bingo. Weight lifting a major problem

[Hokiebird7]

Weight room a major problem for sure...I think it's a good game between 2 bad teams...I'll say Giles 24 BBurg 23 but I'm a Homer lol

[nrv_football]

25 minutes ago, BandanaVTDavis4321 said:

Bingo. Weight lifting a major problem

This is what I was thinking. The success would certainly carry over if there is no loss of players and off season is taken seriously. I guess that is the difference maker. Here at GW the kids are in the weight room consistently in the off season.

[Unchained]

6 minutes ago, nrv_football said:

This is what I was thinking. The success would certainly carry over if there is no loss of players and off season is taken seriously. I guess that is the difference maker. Here at GW the kids are in the weight room consistently in the off season.

I remember when GC came back to the LPD and so many fans were whining about half their team being from TN, but the truth of it was their kids were in the weightroom earlier and stayed later than everybody else. Games are won in the weightroom much more than on the field.

[tornado99]

12 minutes ago, Unchained said:

I remember when GC came back to the LPD and so many fans were whining about half their team being from TN, but the truth of it was their kids were in the weightroom earlier and stayed later than everybody else. Games are won in the weightroom much more than on the field.

I don’t know if true or relevant, but around that time it also seemed Gate City was infamous for being the holdback capital of SWVA. That’s not disputing this claim if true, but if so and other schools weren’t doing so in great numbers, this would be a significant advantage at the time. 
 

My observation is based upon watching the 2003 state championship team that looked more physically dominant than all their opponents, as well as observing some that did and didn’t and physical changes.  (In my own personal experience comparing summers after junior and senior years, I gained significantly more muscle with similar weight training.)

[Union_Fan]

44 minutes ago, tornado99 said:

I don’t know if true or relevant, but around that time it also seemed Gate City was infamous for being the holdback capital of SWVA. That’s not disputing this claim if true, but if so and other schools weren’t doing so in great numbers, this would be a significant advantage at the time. 
 

My observation is based upon watching the 2003 state championship team that looked more physically dominant than all their opponents, as well as observing some that did and didn’t and physical changes.  (In my own personal experience comparing summers after junior and senior years, I gained significantly more muscle with similar weight training.)

Definitely true on the holdbacks. For the record, I don't care if schools hold back. I don't care if schools get transfers. I don't care if they come from TN, KY, or WV. I just don't know why everyone denies it or gets defensive.

Back to the topic. GC still does holdbacks. They've done them for decades. That's whey their 8th grade teams usually look so much better. Half should be in 9th grade. Ever see a picture of Jake Houseright his senior year? Dude looked like a 25 year old man chiseled out of granite.

Even with hold backs, transfers or whatever, it still takes a program to teach, train, build and develop those players. GC used to be as good if not better than anyone around. Very prideful and dedicated town. I think some of that dedication has dropped off the last 10 years due to a variety of factors.

[tornado99]

1 hour ago, Union_Fan said:

Definitely true on the holdbacks. For the record, I don't care if schools hold back. I don't care if schools get transfers. I don't care if they come from TN, KY, or WV. I just don't know why everyone denies it or gets defensive.

Back to the topic. GC still does holdbacks. They've done them for decades. That's whey their 8th grade teams usually look so much better. Half should be in 9th grade. Ever see a picture of Jake Houseright his senior year? Dude looked like a 25 year old man chiseled out of granite.

Even with hold backs, transfers or whatever, it still takes a program to teach, train, build and develop those players. GC used to be as good if not better than anyone around. Very prideful and dedicated town. I think some of that dedication has dropped off the last 10 years due to a variety of factors.

Thanks for addressing this topic head on. I’m always interested in the analysis of these taboo topics and question those. My main point as said, was it appeared a large reason for that success was the commitment to mass holdbacks before it was universally accepted and embraced. 
 

Personally, only my opinion and just that, is that making decisions for the individual (holdback or transfer) is understandable and sometimes the right move. It just feels wrong to me when it’s systemic and artificial. To each their own, but active recruiting, similar to NIL and/or massively organized redshirting to be a super class feels like misplaced priorities and instant gratification.

No throwing stones. It happens almost everywhere.

[Union_Fan]

13 minutes ago, tornado99 said:

Thanks for addressing this topic head on. I’m always interested in the analysis of these taboo topics and question those. My main point as said, was it appeared a large reason for that success was the commitment to mass holdbacks before it was universally accepted and embraced. 
 

Personally, only my opinion and just that, is that making decisions for the individual (holdback or transfer) is understandable and sometimes the right move. It just feels wrong to me when it’s systemic and artificial. To each their own, but active recruiting, similar to NIL and/or massively organized redshirting to be a super class feels like misplaced priorities and instant gratification.

No throwing stones. It happens almost everywhere.

There's not a school out there that's going to say "we don't care that you're a 4 star recruit, we don't accept transfers."

Any competitive program is going to do what they can for an advantage. I'm sure that 90%+ do that ethically.

I know a lot of people from GC and what's interesting about the holdbacks is how ingrained it is. It's not taboo, looked down upon or viewed in any negative way whatsoever.

It's completely normal, part of the process, and almost looked upon as a badge of pride to be asked to holdback.

Not to the extent of GC, but Appalachia did holdbacks too. It was regarded somewhat similarly.

It's interesting to say the least. If Union selected a group of students to hold back because they thought it would almost guarantee them a state championship appearance, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

[goose111874]

20 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

There's not a school out there that's going to say "we don't care that you're a 4 star recruit, we don't accept transfers."

Any competitive program is going to do what they can for an advantage. I'm sure that 90%+ do that ethically.

I know a lot of people from GC and what's interesting about the holdbacks is how ingrained it is. It's not taboo, looked down upon or viewed in any negative way whatsoever.

It's completely normal, part of the process, and almost looked upon as a badge of pride to be asked to holdback.

Not to the extent of GC, but Appalachia did holdbacks too. It was regarded somewhat similarly.

It's interesting to say the least. If Union selected a group of students to hold back because they thought it would almost guarantee them a state championship appearance, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

The only group that I know of that held back at Appy was the class with Turner and Clark.  I know my graduating class with Huff and Mabe in 95 had none and pretty sure none before that.  But I agree with you I don't care if anyone has hold backs or not.

[NotJustin23]

On 8/28/2024 at 11:25 AM, BandanaVTDavis4321 said:

Bingo. Weight lifting a major problem

It's almost like I've been telling y'all this for 4 years.....glad you finally see it. Most of this group has argued with me about Williams etc etc etc and blamed the kids over and over and over. Facts are , none of Giles coaches are dedicated to the program and do the extra things to make the program successful. Younger hungry coaches do the things but old ass coaches living on a golf course in a different county waiting till retirement just doesn't give a shit. It's as plain today as it was years ago but you didn't want to accept it. Now you do, because you can't deny it any longer. Giles is getting the shit kicked out of them at EVERY LEVEL except little league. That seems a little odd.

[tornado99]

11 minutes ago, 1Wingit23 said:

It's almost like I've been telling y'all this for 4 years.....glad you finally see it. Most of this group has argued with me about Williams etc etc etc and blamed the kids over and over and over. Facts are , none of Giles coaches are dedicated to the program and do the extra things to make the program successful. Younger hungry coaches do the things but old ass coaches living on a golf course in a different county waiting till retirement just doesn't give a shit. It's as plain today as it was years ago but you didn't want to accept it. Now you do, because you can't deny it any longer. Giles is getting the shit kicked out of them at EVERY LEVEL except little league. That seems a little odd.

Usually, little league players aren’t lifting weights yet. That’s a very good explanation. Plus, the novelty of the single wing at little league age is a tough adjustment to defend against.

[GilesBandanaMan]

1 hour ago, 1Wingit23 said:

It's almost like I've been telling y'all this for 4 years.....glad you finally see it. Most of this group has argued with me about Williams etc etc etc and blamed the kids over and over and over. Facts are , none of Giles coaches are dedicated to the program and do the extra things to make the program successful. Younger hungry coaches do the things but old ass coaches living on a golf course in a different county waiting till retirement just doesn't give a shit. It's as plain today as it was years ago but you didn't want to accept it. Now you do, because you can't deny it any longer. Giles is getting the shit kicked out of them at EVERY LEVEL except little league. That seems a little odd.

No, I said xs and os are not a problem and they aren't. Don't put words in my mouth. I agree on weightlifting a whole other issue to the point that I approached our AD over at a local eatery 3 years ago about and it was well known then and on this board. Apples and oranges. 

[Graham32]

On 8/28/2024 at 10:32 AM, 1Wingit23 said:

I think Blacksburg finally breaks a losing streak against Giles. Blacksburg 27 Giles 14 

Close. 

[GilesBandanaMan]

1 minute ago, Graham32 said:

Close. 

What was Not Close is me picking Radford over GW by 10 pts. I was off by 31 points. GW is Class 1 and Class 1 teams can flip on a dime if they get 1 or 2 injuries, but if this bunch stays healthy, GW must be a serious Class 1 threat statewide.

[SWVAgridiron]

5 minutes ago, BandanaVTDavis4321 said:

What was Not Close is me picking Radford over GW by 10 pts. I was off by 31 points. GW is Class 1 and Class 1 teams can flip on a dime if they get 1 or 2 injuries, but if this bunch stays healthy, GW must be a serious Class 1 threat statewide.

Bro I picked Radford by 21 😂