Game Information Thread

[Gridiron60]

Graham vs Lee Friday night 7pm at Mitchell Stadium per Graham Sports Network. Bluefield will have to travel instead of having a home playoff game as first thought. 

[1inStripes]

Rural Retreat @ Rye Cove

Friday @ 7PM

[Lance]

When is Grundy/Honaker? Was hoping for Saturday so I can go lol. 

[rdh2443]

Looks like VHSL has RV over Union for number two! So this means RV does get GC again, right!

[Union_Fan]

32 minutes ago, rdh2443 said:

Looks like VHSL has RV over Union for number two! So this means RV does get GC again, right!

Probably just because R comes before U.

I'd be ok with it just to avoid yet another rematch.

Official VHSL bracket has GC to Union.

[Union_Fan]

42 minutes ago, Lance said:

When is Grundy/Honaker? Was hoping for Saturday so I can go lol. 

Vhsl has it Friday at 7.

[rdh2443]

4 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

Probably just because R comes before U.

I'd be ok with it just to avoid yet another rematch.

Official VHSL bracket has GC to Union.

Cool deal man thanks 

[1inStripes]

State Cross Country meet is Saturday I believe.  That may push a lot of football games to Friday where some schools used to play on Saturdays instead.

[breckt]

The Vhsl currently has all of the games listed for Friday at 7 this week. Does anyone know if that will be accurate or could that change?

[Bluefield researcher]

2 hours ago, Union_Fan said:

Probably just because R comes before U.

I'd be ok with it just to avoid yet another rematch.

Official VHSL bracket has GC to Union.

Where can one find the official VHSL bracket?

[breckt]

29 minutes ago, Bluefield researcher said:

Where can one find the official VHSL bracket?

https://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/list/Br-kv9woZk2EkRATw2hwPA/football-24/2024-vhsl-football-state-brackets-(virginia).htm

[Union_Fan]

1 hour ago, Bluefield researcher said:

Where can one find the official VHSL bracket?

I see that someone already answered you.

Odd that one of the most unreliable HS football websites is the Official VHSL bracket site. 

[Bluefield researcher]

5 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

I see that someone already answered you.

Odd that one of the most unreliable HS football websites is the Official VHSL bracket site. 

I deal with 5 states for the website. Virginia is by far and away the worst for high school football. Kentucky far and away the best.

[Union_Fan]

1 hour ago, Bluefield researcher said:

I deal with 5 states for the website. Virginia is by far and away the worst for high school football. Kentucky far and away the best.

I like Ky's setup. TN isn't bad either. Like you said, Va...not the best.

[Wolf1207]

3 hours ago, Union_Fan said:

I like Ky's setup. TN isn't bad either. Like you said, Va...not the best.

Now all we need is for KY to get the setup for refs for out of state games correct. 

[Bluefield researcher]

The worst refs I've seen are in SW VA. Can't even count 12 players on the field for 3 straight plays.

[Union_Fan]

1 hour ago, Bluefield researcher said:

The worst refs I've seen are in SW VA. Can't even count 12 players on the field for 3 straight plays.

We're not talking about quality. We're talking about deliberate cheating in KY when an out of state team comes in.

I can only comment on Middlesboro and Letcher Co, but stories abound from other locations.

[THS6805]

Do you have to donate button?

[goose111874]

10 hours ago, Union_Fan said:

We're not talking about quality. We're talking about deliberate cheating in KY when an out of state team comes in.

I can only comment on Middlesboro and Letcher Co, but stories abound from other locations.

You can add Breathitt Co. they’re also on their A game with blatant cheating and don’t seem to care who knows 

[1inStripes]

I watched a film on TW at maybe Pineville or somewhere one year also prepping for a game I was officating.  They didnt even make the KY team kickoff from the right yard lines.  Its laughable over there when its a cross state game.

[Bluefield researcher]

Here's my thoughts on officials. It is a hard job. The officials are trying to do a good job when they call penalties or not. They make some good judgement calls. They make some bad judgement calls. It is not easy. HOWEVER. Way too many officials are not in good enough shape to move in such a way that an official needs to be able to move. Many are just too fat so they are often out of position (especially in WV). The real problem I see is game administration. It is as if it requires a team meeting on every other penalty. Penalty yards are sometimes not marked correctly. Rules are not enforced correctly. Way too much dead time. Lazy officiating. They almost always mark the spot on a hash so they don't ever have to measure. If it is third down and 10 on the  20 and the runner gains 9.5 yards almost every time they are going to mark it on the 30 and give the team a first down. Or if the runner gains 10.5 they are going to mark it exactly on the 30 or 31 instead of the 30.5. Many crews are now saying the runner went down in bounds so they can roll the clock even when the runner's progress was not stopped in bounds. The head referee will start the clock after a first down long before the chain crew is set except at the end of the game.

[stu_bean]

14 minutes ago, Bluefield researcher said:

Here's my thoughts on officials. It is a hard job. The officials are trying to do a good job when they call penalties or not. They make some good judgement calls. They make some bad judgement calls. It is not easy. HOWEVER. Way too many officials are not in good enough shape to move in such a way that an official needs to be able to move. Many are just too fat so they are often out of position (especially in WV). The real problem I see is game administration. It is as if it requires a team meeting on every other penalty. Penalty yards are sometimes not marked correctly. Rules are not enforced correctly. Way too much dead time. Lazy officiating. They almost always mark the spot on a hash so they don't ever have to measure. If it is third down and 10 on the  20 and the runner gains 9.5 yards almost every time they are going to mark it on the 30 and give the team a first down. Or if the runner gains 10.5 they are going to mark it exactly on the 30 or 31 instead of the 30.5. Many crews are now saying the runner went down in bounds so they can roll the clock even when the runner's progress was not stopped in bounds. The head referee will start the clock after a first down long before the chain crew is set except at the end of the game.

I think you are spot on with that.  So many games, ours and others I talk to for theirs, the issue of not know how to apply penalty yardage or like you said having to have a conference over it.

[1inStripes]

16 minutes ago, Bluefield researcher said:

Here's my thoughts on officials. It is a hard job. The officials are trying to do a good job when they call penalties or not. They make some good judgement calls. They make some bad judgement calls. It is not easy. HOWEVER. Way too many officials are not in good enough shape to move in such a way that an official needs to be able to move. Many are just too fat so they are often out of position (especially in WV). The real problem I see is game administration. It is as if it requires a team meeting on every other penalty. Penalty yards are sometimes not marked correctly. Rules are not enforced correctly. Way too much dead time. Lazy officiating. They almost always mark the spot on a hash so they don't ever have to measure. If it is third down and 10 on the  20 and the runner gains 9.5 yards almost every time they are going to mark it on the 30 and give the team a first down. Or if the runner gains 10.5 they are going to mark it exactly on the 30 or 31 instead of the 30.5. Many crews are now saying the runner went down in bounds so they can roll the clock even when the runner's progress was not stopped in bounds. The head referee will start the clock after a first down long before the chain crew is set except at the end of the game.

I will agree with a lot of that.  The marking of spots on a yard line is something that has trickled down from higher levels.  I dont mind starting a series on a hash after a kick but it has gotten ridiculous at not only the HS level but the college level as well which.

[Observer]

3 hours ago, Bluefield researcher said:

Here's my thoughts on officials. It is a hard job. The officials are trying to do a good job when they call penalties or not. They make some good judgement calls. They make some bad judgement calls. It is not easy. HOWEVER. Way too many officials are not in good enough shape to move in such a way that an official needs to be able to move. Many are just too fat so they are often out of position (especially in WV). The real problem I see is game administration. It is as if it requires a team meeting on every other penalty. Penalty yards are sometimes not marked correctly. Rules are not enforced correctly. Way too much dead time. Lazy officiating. They almost always mark the spot on a hash so they don't ever have to measure. If it is third down and 10 on the  20 and the runner gains 9.5 yards almost every time they are going to mark it on the 30 and give the team a first down. Or if the runner gains 10.5 they are going to mark it exactly on the 30 or 31 instead of the 30.5. Many crews are now saying the runner went down in bounds so they can roll the clock even when the runner's progress was not stopped in bounds. The head referee will start the clock after a first down long before the chain crew is set except at the end of the game.

I agree with almost everything you said except starting the clock after a first down.  The clock doesn't start when the chains are set, it's when the ball is spotted.  

[Bluefield researcher]

1 minute ago, Observer said:

I agree with almost everything you said except starting the clock after a first down.  The clock doesn't start when the chains are set, it's when the ball is spotted.  

I stand corrected.