Williams announced retirement. New coach taking over the Spartans!

[60minuteMan]

On 5/17/2025 at 3:00 PM, Hokiebird7 said:

You have no idea what all went on...so I want nick saban...he isn't coaching...does that answer your question? Now since you have a hard time picking names why don't you throw some out there

That's your problem. you want  other people's opinions, so you can sit back and poo-poo on them, without throwing out any serious ones of your own. Why? I'll tell you why. You've been a friend of Jeff Williams your whole life. As well as friends with the so called "good ol boy network." Because every Giles poster on this board knows who you are, you won't criticize the network. Don't want them confronting you standing by the fence in front of concessions during pre-game warm-ups or writing you speeding tickets going through Pembroke doing 48 in a 45. At least give the "J"  Man credit, everyone knows who he is, and he knows the good ol boys monitor this board, but he's still man enough to call it like he sees it.

[CPF]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:17 AM, 60minuteMan said:

Can you give me an example, in this area, where a coach has left a struggling program, going through a down cycle, and had an assistant promoted to take over, that the new first time HC was able to turn the program around? Dozens of examples of struggling programs being turned around by bringing in a new head coach. And it's Jeff William's last dagger in the back of Spartan football, that he waited to crunch time to announce his retirement. Could of done it back in November. 

Graham

[Fairlawncat]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:17 AM, 60minuteMan said:

Can you give me an example, in this area, where a coach has left a struggling program, going through a down cycle, and had an assistant promoted to take over, that the new first time HC was able to turn the program around? 

Princeton a few years ago. Graham a few years ago. Richlands in the late 90s with Mance. 

[cityofRaven]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:17 AM, 60minuteMan said:

Can you give me an example, in this area, where a coach has left a struggling program, going through a down cycle, and had an assistant promoted to take over, that the new first time HC was able to turn the program around?

Garden, mid 80's. Grundy, late 80's. 

[SW_VA_boy]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:17 AM, 60minuteMan said:

Can you give me an example, in this area, where a coach has left a struggling program, going through a down cycle, and had an assistant promoted to take over, that the new first time HC was able to turn the program around?

John Mustain at James Monroe after Donny Jackson's 2nd tour of duty.  

[NotJustin23]

1 hour ago, cityofRaven said:

Garden, mid 80's. Grundy, late 80's. 

You get zero points for either of those two. 1 one hit wonder season doesn't classify as turning a program around. Rife for Garden only had 2 winning seasons in 9 years....not exactly a turnaround I would say? Im assuming you're talking about Rowe for Grundy who had 10 winning seasons in 24 years. 

[NotJustin23]

On 5/17/2025 at 12:17 AM, 60minuteMan said:

Can you give me an example, in this area, where a coach has left a struggling program, going through a down cycle, and had an assistant promoted to take over, that the new first time HC was able to turn the program around? Dozens of examples of struggling programs being turned around by bringing in a new head coach. And it's Jeff William's last dagger in the back of Spartan football, that he waited to crunch time to announce his retirement. Could of done it back in November. 

So there's been like 4 or 5 answers covering a 40 year timespan??? 2 were obviously wrong and ridiculous that went all the way back to the 80's. So we have 2-3 promotions that turned struggling teams around out of hundreds right? Wow, they really got ya bud! 

[Dookthecook]

1 hour ago, NotJustin23 said:

So there's been like 4 or 5 answers covering a 40 year timespan??? 2 were obviously wrong and ridiculous that went all the way back to the 80's. So we have 2-3 promotions that turned struggling teams around out of hundreds right? Wow, they really got ya bud! 

Not much knowing about situation at hand. I am going to take Dook the Cook dumbass off for bit.  From far way Giles has been elite for many years. Elite. When Steve Ragsdale left Giles he new many things were about to change.  First was way you can coach kids. 2nd was Giles enrollment was about to dip. 3rd I would imagine the man simply burnt out. LEGEND he was and still is.  Willams from afar probably has done ok job. Maybe he did stay to long. Maybe not. Just who were you guys going to get? I hear pay not all that. I hear since dropping of enrollment talent level took a hit.  I also hear that school administration at Giles not much. Again, this is all from family in that county.  I am not saying Coach Williams was great.  I would say he was pretty solid when the talent level was very good.  I do not think he was in Ragsdale level. I do think he was coach that got it done until the end.  

You my friend 23whatever. You come across angrily arrogant. Your buddy 60minute man seems hurt over something. Not sure. Really do not care.  Come down to Lee County and my TW boys. WE would love to have what your just ex coach did.   Legends do not come along very often.  Sorry fans every year.  

[60minuteMan]

33 minutes ago, Dookthecook said:

Not much knowing about situation at hand. I am going to take Dook the Cook dumbass off for bit.  From far way Giles has been elite for many years. Elite. When Steve Ragsdale left Giles he new many things were about to change.  First was way you can coach kids. 2nd was Giles enrollment was about to dip. 3rd I would imagine the man simply burnt out. LEGEND he was and still is.  Willams from afar probably has done ok job. Maybe he did stay to long. Maybe not. Just who were you guys going to get? I hear pay not all that. I hear since dropping of enrollment talent level took a hit.  I also hear that school administration at Giles not much. Again, this is all from family in that county.  I am not saying Coach Williams was great.  I would say he was pretty solid when the talent level was very good.  I do not think he was in Ragsdale level. I do think he was coach that got it done until the end.  

You my friend 23whatever. You come across angrily arrogant. Your buddy 60minute man seems hurt over something. Not sure. Really do not care.  Come down to Lee County and my TW boys. WE would love to have what your just ex coach did.   Legends do not come along very often.  Sorry fans every year.  

OK, Dookster, let me ask you and your Giles County kin folk a question. The last 5 or 6 years, the Giles record has been terrible, to say the least. Was there state championship caliber talent there? Absolutely not. But, at the same time, the other County team was experiencing one of the best 5 or 6 year runs they've had since the late 70's and early 80's. Same county, all the same scenarios' you listed for Giles fall, somehow didn't effect the Green boys 7 miles down the road. Help me understand, my friend. And the only thing I'm hurt about is I didn't see any effort whatsoever from Coach Williams to stop this trend. In my opinion, he was buying his time till he could get full benefits from teaching retirement. Hopefully, we'll find out soon if I'm right or wrong. And whatever happened to that great running back ya'll had about 10 years ago? He play any college ball?

[NotJustin23]

4 hours ago, Dookthecook said:

Not much knowing about situation at hand. I am going to take Dook the Cook dumbass off for bit.  From far way Giles has been elite for many years. Elite. When Steve Ragsdale left Giles he new many things were about to change.  First was way you can coach kids. 2nd was Giles enrollment was about to dip. 3rd I would imagine the man simply burnt out. LEGEND he was and still is.  Willams from afar probably has done ok job. Maybe he did stay to long. Maybe not. Just who were you guys going to get? I hear pay not all that. I hear since dropping of enrollment talent level took a hit.  I also hear that school administration at Giles not much. Again, this is all from family in that county.  I am not saying Coach Williams was great.  I would say he was pretty solid when the talent level was very good.  I do not think he was in Ragsdale level. I do think he was coach that got it done until the end.  

You my friend 23whatever. You come across angrily arrogant. Your buddy 60minute man seems hurt over something. Not sure. Really do not care.  Come down to Lee County and my TW boys. WE would love to have what your just ex coach did.   Legends do not come along very often.  Sorry fans every year.  

I would agree with some of these points honestly. Im unsure how fact a based rebuttal makes me seem "angrily arrogant?" Either way, yes Ragsdale was an absolute LEGEND and Giles was elite for a long long time. Giles enrollment has since dipped but also their classification. How does that not balance out? Sure, you lost some potential talent but Giles is still a decent size 1A school right? Teams that used to be almost a bye week for Giles now beats them with regularity (even smaller schools) so either every student Giles lost in enrollment was awesome football players or they as a program just aren't creating the type of talent they once did. Williams certainly did not get it done till the end though. He quit on tje program years ago and wasn't anything but a figure head from what I seen honestly. 

[cityofRaven]

On 5/19/2025 at 1:37 PM, NotJustin23 said:

So there's been like 4 or 5 answers covering a 40 year timespan??? 2 were obviously wrong and ridiculous that went all the way back to the 80's. So we have 2-3 promotions that turned struggling teams around out of hundreds right? Wow, they really got ya bud! 

Just because you were shitting you're diaper when these things happened doesn't mean it's not a viable in this scenario. 

[NotJustin23]

1 hour ago, cityofRaven said:

Just because you were shitting you're diaper when these things happened doesn't mean it's not a viable in this scenario. 

You were still wrong about both Garden and Grundy....nice try Bro

[redtiger]

Rick Mullins was able to take Clintwood from a 2nd tier LPD team to a regional force and a state champion with multiple state title appearances during his tenure at Clintwood, he was a long time assistant at a few programs.

James Colley was an assistant at Ervinton and Haysi before taking over the Tigers, granted Haysi had played for a region title right before he took over.

 

 

[cityofRaven]

2 hours ago, NotJustin23 said:

You were still wrong about both Garden and Grundy....nice try Bro

Brother in Christ, I can not expound on how little your opinion matters to me in such a tiny text box.

[redtiger]

Dixon was an assistant at Galax and somewhere else before taking over as HC at Galax and making them a perennial state title contender 

[VHSLhelper]

Dixon: “Never had coached a day in my life before I got to Galax. First job I ever had." - PCPatriot

And he only spent one year as an asst.  Wild.