Unofficial Powerpoints after Week 10 - 11/3

[VHSLhelper]

1 hour ago, Fairlawncat said:

So, in the case of Union and Glenvar. Number 4 above would be the first application and they would take the average power rating of All ten of Glenvars opponents because all 10 are in Va and they would take the average power rating of 9 of Unions opponents and throw out Daniel Boone. 

Nope... you left out a few...

3. If one played fewer than 10 games.
4. If an opponent played fewer than 10 games.
5. Highest win % vs. rating scale recognized opponents.
6. Highest avg. rating of all of their opponents.
7. Highest avg. rating of all their VA opponents.
8. Highest Region seed.

Glenvar would 'win' on #4, since they played Galax.
 

Had to use #6 a few years ago in 4D... I finished it sometime after 1 am, since they had opponents I  didn't track.

[jeffro]

31 minutes ago, VHSLhelper said:

Nope... you left out a few...

3. If one played fewer than 10 games.
4. If an opponent played fewer than 10 games.
5. Highest win % vs. rating scale recognized opponents.
6. Highest avg. rating of all of their opponents.
7. Highest avg. rating of all their VA opponents.
8. Highest Region seed.

Glenvar would 'win' on #4, since they played Galax.
 

Had to use #6 a few years ago in 4D... I finished it sometime after 1 am, since they had opponents I  didn't track.

Wouldn’t want to go to Glenvar to play in playoffs.   This bunch is rolling averaging around 45 ppg while allowing 3. 

[Real Sasquatch]

4 minutes ago, jeffro said:

Wouldn’t want to go to Glenvar to play in playoffs.   This bunch is rolling averaging around 45 ppg while allowing 3. 

Yes and they are not just finesse, they are physical as well.

[goose111874]

5 hours ago, Fairlawncat said:

So, in the case of Union and Glenvar. Number 4 above would be the first application and they would take the average power rating of All ten of Glenvars opponents because all 10 are in Va and they would take the average power rating of 9 of Unions opponents and throw out Daniel Boone. 

That’d probably help Union then right??

[Fairlawncat]

Nope, according to Vhslhelp, because Galax, an opponent of Glenvar played 9 games or less, that would actually be 4th on the tie breaker list and would settle it is favor of Glenvar. So, it looks like, if they tie in power rating, Glenvar wins out because Galax played 9 games or less which according to VHSL rules, gives it to Glenvar.

Union and Glenvar won't tie. Union will finish ahead if both go 10 and 0.

[goose111874]

1 hour ago, Fairlawncat said:

Nope, according to Vhslhelp, because Galax, an opponent of Glenvar played 9 games or less, that would actually be 4th on the tie breaker list and would settle it is favor of Glenvar. So, it looks like, if they tie in power rating, Glenvar wins out because Galax played 9 games or less which according to VHSL rules, gives it to Glenvar.

Union and Glenvar won't tie. Union will finish ahead if both go 10 and 0.

Yeah I was just wondering what the rule was in case

[Union_Fan]

2D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Union	8-0	204	25.5000
02.)	Gate City	6-2	173	21.6250
03.)	Ridgeview	6-1	150	21.4286
04.)	Lebanon	6-1	148	21.1429
05.)	Va High	6-2	165	20.6250
06.)	Graham	4-3	131	18.7143
07.)	Richlands	4-3	128	18.2857
08.)	Lee	2-5	101	14.4286
09.)	Tazewell	2-5	97	13.8571
10.)	John Battle	1-7	100	12.5000
11.)	Central-Wise	1-6	87	12.4286
12.)	Marion	0-7	69	9.8571

2C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Glenvar	8-0	196	24.5000
02.)	Gretna	6-1	164	23.4286
03.)	Floyd Co	6-1	153	21.8571
04.)	Radford	4-3	135	19.2857
05.)	Appomattox	4-3	134	19.1429
06.)	James River-B	4-3	130	18.5714
07.)	Nelson Co	4-3	118	16.8571
08.)	Patrick Co	3-5	127	15.8750
09.)	Dan River	3-5	120	15.0000
10.)	Liberty-Bed	2-5	103	14.7143
11.)	Chatham	3-4	94	13.4286
12.)	Martinsville	1-6	94	13.4286

1D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Eastside	8-0	182	22.7500
02.)	Chilhowie	6-1	140	20.0000
03.)	Rye Cove	5-2	128	18.2857
04.)	Northwood	5-2	122	17.4286
05.)	Holston	6-2	137	17.1250
06.)	Honaker	3-4	111	15.8571
07.)	Twin Springs	5-3	124	15.5000
08.)	Rural Retreat	3-4	99	14.1429
09.)	Thomas Walker	3-4	97	13.8571
10.)	Hurley	3-4	93	13.2857
11.)	Pat Henry-GS	2-5	90	12.8571
12.)	Grundy	2-6	96	12.0000
13.)	JI Burton	2-5	78	11.1429
14.)	Twin Valley	1-6	56	8.0000
15.)	Castlewood	0-7	55	7.8571

1C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Giles	6-1	144	20.5714
02.)	Craig Co	7-0	144	20.5714
03.)	George Wythe	5-3	140	17.5000
04.)	Grayson Co	3-4	111	15.8571
05.)	Bath Co	4-2	90	15.0000
06.)	Narrows	2-5	102	14.5714
07.)	Parry McCluer	4-4	113	14.1250
08.)	Auburn	4-4	106	13.2500
09.)	Fort Chiswell	1-7	85	10.6250
10.)	Galax	0-6	59	9.8333
11.)	Bland Co	1-7	78	9.7500
12.)	East Mont	1-7	77	9.6250

 

The "Official" points for 1D are giving credit for Tri-Cities Christian with both Hurley and Twin Valley. For Hurley, they gave credit for the win, but not the rider points. For TV, they gave credit for the loss, but then awarded 2 phantom points from somewhere. Who knows how they'll handle TCC's win over Unaka. For now it's not really affecting anything, but if Hurley starts creeping up into that #8 spot it will make a difference.

[MMcMahon26]

Unsure of how the whole Galax situation works, but if Grayson gets points from a forfeit win over Galax, and George Wythe beat Grayson, would it work out so that George Wythe gets two more points from Grayson’s “win” over Galax?

[Union_Fan]

1 hour ago, MMcMahon26 said:

Unsure of how the whole Galax situation works, but if Grayson gets points from a forfeit win over Galax, and George Wythe beat Grayson, would it work out so that George Wythe gets two more points from Grayson’s “win” over Galax?

Yep. Basically, the forfeit is a loss for Galax and a win for Grayson.

[S10SQUAREBODY4LIFE]

Gonna be right down to the last week.  Rv vs GC 

Leb vs vhs&gra

2-5 gonna be interesting match ups in November. 

Most competitive top 5 in years.  If it were the old system of top 4, one team that could possibly win region would be at home. Still a better issue than extra week with a 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7.

[Cavaholic21]

23 hours ago, Union_Fan said:

The "Official" points for 1D are giving credit for Tri-Cities Christian with both Hurley and Twin Valley. For Hurley, they gave credit for the win, but not the rider points. For TV, they gave credit for the loss, but then awarded 2 phantom points from somewhere. Who knows how they'll handle TCC's win over Unaka. For now it's not really affecting anything, but if Hurley starts creeping up into that #8 spot it will make a difference.

For Twin Valley, the "official" points are giving them 4 rider points against Montcalm rather than 2 (in other words, the rider points are calculated as if they beat 2-win Montcalm rather than lost). It won't affect anything, but that is where the phantom 2 points come from.

How are you calculating Hurley's total points? I have them at 89. 64 base points and 25 rider points. 

(W)Bland (1 win) = 2. (L)Eastside (8 wins) = 8. (L)River View (3 wins) = 3. (L)Holston (6 wins) = 6. (W)Burton (2 wins) = 4. (L)Grundy (2 wins) = 2. Not giving them any rider points for TCC. What have I messed up? I have everything else identical to you (other than Twin Valley having 2 total points). 

[Union_Fan]

11 minutes ago, Cavaholic21 said:

For Twin Valley, the "official" points are giving them 4 rider points against Montcalm rather than 2 (in other words, the rider points are calculated as if they beat 2-win Montcalm rather than lost). It won't affect anything, but that is where the phantom 2 points come from.

How are you calculating Hurley's total points? I have them at 89. 64 base points and 25 rider points. 

(W)Bland (1 win) = 2. (L)Eastside (8 wins) = 8. (L)River View (3 wins) = 3. (L)Holston (6 wins) = 6. (W)Burton (2 wins) = 4. (L)Grundy (2 wins) = 2. Not giving them any rider points for TCC. What have I messed up? I have everything else identical to you (other than Twin Valley having 2 total points). 

The official points are screwed up around TCC because TCC only plays 3 games of 11 man football. The rest are 8 man games.

So, if 1D is going to count TCC then Hurley should get 16 pts for beating a 1A school and 4 rider points for TCC's 2 wins over TV and Unaka.

TV should get 4 pts for losing to a 1A school and 2 points for TCC's 2 wins.

It's like they're counting TCC for base points, but not rider points.

However, whoever is keeping track of 1D's points is not calculating something correctly. I've looked over it 4 times.

[Union_Fan]

2D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Union	8-0	210	26.2500
02.)	Ridgeview	7-1	184	23.0000
03.)	Gate City	6-2	180	22.5000
04.)	Va High	6-2	172	21.5000
05.)	Graham	5-3	163	20.3750
06.)	Lebanon	6-2	163	20.3750
07.)	Richlands	5-3	154	19.2500
08.)	Lee	3-5	123	15.3750
09.)	Tazewell	2-6	111	13.8750
10.)	John Battle	1-7	101	12.6250
11.)	Central-Wise	1-7	99	12.3750
12.)	Marion	0-8	80	10.0000

 

1D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Eastside	9-0	208	23.1111
02.)	Chilhowie	7-1	175	21.8750
03.)	Rye Cove	5-3	146	18.2500
04.)	Northwood	6-2	145	18.1250
05.)	Holston	6-2	143	17.8750
06.)	Honaker	4-4	137	17.1250
07.)	Twin Springs	5-3	131	16.3750
08.)	Rural Retreat	3-5	114	14.2500
09.)	Thomas Walker	3-5	111	13.8750
10.)	Grundy	3-6	121	13.4444
11.)	Hurley	3-5	106	13.2500
12.)	Pat Henry-GS	2-6	101	12.6250
13.)	JI Burton	3-5	96	12.0000
14.)	Twin Valley	1-6	58	8.2857
15.)	Castlewood	0-8	64	8.0000

 

2C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Glenvar	9-0	224	24.8889
02.)	Gretna	7-1	193	24.1250
03.)	Floyd Co	7-1	188	23.5000
04.)	Appomattox	5-3	156	19.5000
05.)	Radford	4-4	153	19.1250
06.)	James River-B	4-4	145	18.1250
07.)	Dan River	4-5	149	16.5556
08.)	Patrick Co	3-6	146	16.2222
09.)	Nelson Co	4-4	129	16.1250
10.)	Liberty-Bed	2-6	121	15.1250
11.)	Martinsville	1-7	111	13.8750
12.)	Chatham	3-5	108	13.5000

 

1C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Craig Co	8-0	168	21.0000
02.)	Giles	6-2	159	19.8750
03.)	Grayson Co	4-4	144	18.0000
04.)	George Wythe	6-3	161	17.8889
05.)	Narrows	3-5	124	15.5000
06.)	Bath Co	4-3	104	14.8571
07.)	Parry McCluer	4-4	115	14.3750
08.)	Auburn	4-4	110	13.7500
09.)	Fort Chiswell	2-7	106	11.7778
10.)	Galax	0-7	74	10.5714
11.)	Bland Co	1-7	83	10.3750
12.)	East Mont	1-8	86	9.5556

 

[goose111874]

50 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

2D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Union	8-0	210	26.2500
02.)	Ridgeview	7-1	184	23.0000
03.)	Gate City	6-2	180	22.5000
04.)	Va High	6-2	172	21.5000
05.)	Graham	5-3	163	20.3750
06.)	Lebanon	6-2	163	20.3750
07.)	Richlands	5-3	154	19.2500
08.)	Lee	3-5	123	15.3750
09.)	Tazewell	2-6	111	13.8750
10.)	John Battle	1-7	101	12.6250
11.)	Central-Wise	1-7	99	12.3750
12.)	Marion	0-8	80	10.0000

 

1D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Eastside	9-0	208	23.1111
02.)	Chilhowie	7-1	175	21.8750
03.)	Rye Cove	5-3	146	18.2500
04.)	Northwood	6-2	145	18.1250
05.)	Holston	6-2	143	17.8750
06.)	Honaker	4-4	137	17.1250
07.)	Twin Springs	5-3	131	16.3750
08.)	Rural Retreat	3-5	114	14.2500
09.)	Thomas Walker	3-5	111	13.8750
10.)	Grundy	3-6	121	13.4444
11.)	Hurley	3-5	106	13.2500
12.)	Pat Henry-GS	2-6	101	12.6250
13.)	JI Burton	3-5	96	12.0000
14.)	Twin Valley	1-6	58	8.2857
15.)	Castlewood	0-8	64	8.0000

 

2C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Glenvar	9-0	224	24.8889
02.)	Gretna	7-1	193	24.1250
03.)	Floyd Co	7-1	188	23.5000
04.)	Appomattox	5-3	156	19.5000
05.)	Radford	4-4	153	19.1250
06.)	James River-B	4-4	145	18.1250
07.)	Dan River	4-5	149	16.5556
08.)	Patrick Co	3-6	146	16.2222
09.)	Nelson Co	4-4	129	16.1250
10.)	Liberty-Bed	2-6	121	15.1250
11.)	Martinsville	1-7	111	13.8750
12.)	Chatham	3-5	108	13.5000

 

1C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Craig Co	8-0	168	21.0000
02.)	Giles	6-2	159	19.8750
03.)	Grayson Co	4-4	144	18.0000
04.)	George Wythe	6-3	161	17.8889
05.)	Narrows	3-5	124	15.5000
06.)	Bath Co	4-3	104	14.8571
07.)	Parry McCluer	4-4	115	14.3750
08.)	Auburn	4-4	110	13.7500
09.)	Fort Chiswell	2-7	106	11.7778
10.)	Galax	0-7	74	10.5714
11.)	Bland Co	1-7	83	10.3750
12.)	East Mont	1-8	86	9.5556

 

Can Graham make it to 3rd to avoid them in second rd??

[sup_rbeast]

2 minutes ago, goose111874 said:

Can Graham make it to 3rd to avoid them in second rd??

Gonna have to play them to get out of the region imo, so it really doesn’t matter when you see them. Personally, I’d rather have them in round 2 vs round 3.

[Unchained]

2 minutes ago, goose111874 said:

Can Graham make it to 3rd to avoid them in second rd??

So GC or RV one has to lose that matchup and I think Lebanon does beat VHS. Will that do it?

[goose111874]

1 minute ago, sup_rbeast said:

Gonna have to play them to get out of the region imo, so it really doesn’t matter when you see them.

Unless they lose rd 2

[sup_rbeast]

Just now, goose111874 said:

Unless they lose rd 2

Graham isn’t going to lose in 2D unless Union beats them. Thats just my opinion, but I think that will prove to be true.

[goose111874]

1 minute ago, Unchained said:

So GC or RV one has to lose that matchup and I think Lebanon does beat VHS. Will that do it?

You’d think but UnionFan would know 

[goose111874]

Just now, sup_rbeast said:

Graham isn’t going to lose in 2D unless Union beats them. Thats just my opinion, but I think that will prove to be true.

Probably not but someone like GC with they’re style of play could 

[sup_rbeast]

Just now, goose111874 said:

Probably not but someone like GC with they’re style of play could 

I don’t see it happening, but I’d gladly eat crow on that. Haha

[Unchained]

2 minutes ago, sup_rbeast said:

I don’t see it happening, but I’d gladly eat crow on that. Haha

If it's at Legion Field it could be interesting:)

[sup_rbeast]

4 minutes ago, Unchained said:

If it's at Legion Field it could be interesting:)

I think there is a sizeable gulf between Union and Graham and then everyone else. IMO Union has the best team in the region, but they have to prove it come playoff time. I think Graham is close enough to Union to beat them, but unless Union just goes out and lays an egg I don’t see anyone else in the Region beating them. Same for Graham. Unless GC has something they are yet to show, I don’t think they have anything for Graham regardless of where is played.

[Unchained]

Just now, sup_rbeast said:

I think there is a sizeable gulf between Union and Graham and then everyone else. IMO Union has the best team in the region, but they have to prove it come playoff time. I think Graham is close enough to Union to beat them, but unless Union just goes out and lays an egg I don’t see anyone else in the Region beating them. Same for Graham.

I think if we see Graham again it will be a low-scoring dogfight, but I love our depth and as the game goes on if it's tight, edge to Union in the 4th.

[sup_rbeast]

Just now, Unchained said:

I think if we see Graham again it will be a low-scoring dogfight, but I love our depth and as the game goes on if it's tight, edge to Union in the 4th.

IMO Union is the team that will beat Union if they lose. If they play their best game every single week, I think they are good enough this year to make a run to the finals. At that point who knows. I’m not saying Union can’t lose, I’m saying that if they do, it will be no one but themselves to blame. I’m not sure this is the best team Union has had, but they are pretty good…and if they can avoid complacency and settling for “good enough”, this is the year they can put it all together.