Unofficial Powerpoints after Week 10 - 11/3

[Real Sasquatch]

2 minutes ago, Unchained said:

I think if we see Graham again it will be a low-scoring dogfight, but I love our depth and as the game goes on if it's tight, edge to Union in the 4th.

I would give Union the edge if a rematch occurs because of the homefield advantage and Graham's youth might hurt them in a big game.  However, their ability to make a big play has increased dramatically with a healthy Roberts, Fix and Palmer at WR.  Bradshaw is playing with a lot more confidence too.  Isabelle and Banks are emerging as young playmakers.  Roberts has more patience at qb and has a better ability to make the check downs that he needs to on those passing plays.  Also, Lilly wasn't utilized much in that first game either. 

[Real Sasquatch]

1 minute ago, sup_rbeast said:

IMO Union is the team that will beat Union if they lose. If they play their best game every single week, I think they are good enough this year to make a run to the finals. At that point who knows. I’m not saying Union can’t lose, I’m saying that if they do, it will be no one but themselves to blame. I’m not sure this is the best team Union has had, but they are pretty good…and if they can avoid complacency and settling for “good enough”, this is the year they can put it all together.

Whoever comes out of D will have a monumental task against Glenvar, and whoever comes out of A or B.  Poquoson and Armstrong look very good.

[sup_rbeast]

1 minute ago, Real Sasquatch said:

Whoever comes out of D will have a monumental task against Glenvar, and whoever comes out of A or B.  Poquoson and Armstrong look very good.

No doubt. That’s part of the reason I think it would benefit both Union and Graham to meet in the semis vs the finals. They know that Glenvar is probably the team they’ll see in the semis, but you won’t see but 1 of those from the other side of the state.

[Real Sasquatch]

Just now, sup_rbeast said:

No doubt. That’s part of the reason I think it would benefit both Union and Graham to meet in the semis vs the finals.

Agree.

[Real Sasquatch]

1 hour ago, Union_Fan said:

2D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Union	8-0	210	26.2500
02.)	Ridgeview	7-1	184	23.0000
03.)	Gate City	6-2	180	22.5000
04.)	Va High	6-2	172	21.5000
05.)	Graham	5-3	163	20.3750
06.)	Lebanon	6-2	163	20.3750
07.)	Richlands	5-3	154	19.2500
08.)	Lee	3-5	123	15.3750
09.)	Tazewell	2-6	111	13.8750
10.)	John Battle	1-7	101	12.6250
11.)	Central-Wise	1-7	99	12.3750
12.)	Marion	0-8	80	10.0000

 

1D

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Eastside	9-0	208	23.1111
02.)	Chilhowie	7-1	175	21.8750
03.)	Rye Cove	5-3	146	18.2500
04.)	Northwood	6-2	145	18.1250
05.)	Holston	6-2	143	17.8750
06.)	Honaker	4-4	137	17.1250
07.)	Twin Springs	5-3	131	16.3750
08.)	Rural Retreat	3-5	114	14.2500
09.)	Thomas Walker	3-5	111	13.8750
10.)	Grundy	3-6	121	13.4444
11.)	Hurley	3-5	106	13.2500
12.)	Pat Henry-GS	2-6	101	12.6250
13.)	JI Burton	3-5	96	12.0000
14.)	Twin Valley	1-6	58	8.2857
15.)	Castlewood	0-8	64	8.0000

 

2C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Glenvar	9-0	224	24.8889
02.)	Gretna	7-1	193	24.1250
03.)	Floyd Co	7-1	188	23.5000
04.)	Appomattox	5-3	156	19.5000
05.)	Radford	4-4	153	19.1250
06.)	James River-B	4-4	145	18.1250
07.)	Dan River	4-5	149	16.5556
08.)	Patrick Co	3-6	146	16.2222
09.)	Nelson Co	4-4	129	16.1250
10.)	Liberty-Bed	2-6	121	15.1250
11.)	Martinsville	1-7	111	13.8750
12.)	Chatham	3-5	108	13.5000

 

1C

Rank	Team	Record	Total Points	Rating
01.)	Craig Co	8-0	168	21.0000
02.)	Giles	6-2	159	19.8750
03.)	Grayson Co	4-4	144	18.0000
04.)	George Wythe	6-3	161	17.8889
05.)	Narrows	3-5	124	15.5000
06.)	Bath Co	4-3	104	14.8571
07.)	Parry McCluer	4-4	115	14.3750
08.)	Auburn	4-4	110	13.7500
09.)	Fort Chiswell	2-7	106	11.7778
10.)	Galax	0-7	74	10.5714
11.)	Bland Co	1-7	83	10.3750
12.)	East Mont	1-8	86	9.5556

 

Man, you're fast on this stuff.  I only do region D.  Im not doing it until tomorrow, though.  Thanks for this.

[Unchained]

40 minutes ago, sup_rbeast said:

IMO Union is the team that will beat Union if they lose. If they play their best game every single week, I think they are good enough this year to make a run to the finals. At that point who knows. I’m not saying Union can’t lose, I’m saying that if they do, it will be no one but themselves to blame. I’m not sure this is the best team Union has had, but they are pretty good…and if they can avoid complacency and settling for “good enough”, this is the year they can put it all together.

I agree with your assessment.

[Union_Fan]

1 hour ago, goose111874 said:

Can Graham make it to 3rd to avoid them in second rd??

 

59 minutes ago, Unchained said:

So GC or RV one has to lose that matchup and I think Lebanon does beat VHS. Will that do it?

Graham's ceiling is 4 and only one scenario gets them there. Ridgeview has to beat GC.

[Unchained]

56 minutes ago, Real Sasquatch said:

Whoever comes out of D will have a monumental task against Glenvar, and whoever comes out of A or B.  Poquoson and Armstrong look very good.

I've watched pretty much everyone on NFHS this season, and I'm not impressed with anyone on the other side of Wytheville in D2 except Glenvar. I see a ton of finesse. Region A and B look weak and Region C is down. As good as Glenvar is, they will not see anyone remotely as physical as whoever comes out of Region D. I'm not sold that they will be able to block us or Graham. Having said that, we need to focus on one at a time and next up is a dangerous 3A Falcon squad on the road.

[Gridiron60]

58 minutes ago, Unchained said:

I think if we see Graham again it will be a low-scoring dogfight, but I love our depth and as the game goes on if it's tight, edge to Union in the 4th.

I agree with this assessment. I think depth will make a difference in such a physical game if Graham & Union meet again. Graham has a lot of youth. Union has a lot of seasoned players and more players that can step up and give others a breather. Even for Graham to keep it close they have to be healthy. They cannot afford any injuries. 

[sup_rbeast]

8 minutes ago, Gridiron60 said:

I agree with this assessment. I think depth will make a difference in such a physical game if Graham & Union meet again. Graham has a lot of youth. Union has a lot of seasoned players and more players that can step up and give others a breather. Even for Graham to keep it close they have to be healthy. They cannot afford any injuries. 

100% Union has been able to flip a switch on everyone else on their schedule. In those games you have Union doing one thing the first half and then come out after half doing something totally different. I’m not so sure that approach works vs Graham. IMO that requires 4 quarters for anyone to beat them, including Union.

[VHSLhelper]

To anyone doing ratings for 3C... Ironton Ohio's win on Fri. is now a FFT loss.  Long story, but they played a known ineligible on Sr. night.
This was worth 1 point to LCA.

[jeffro]

2 hours ago, Real Sasquatch said:

I would give Union the edge if a rematch occurs because of the homefield advantage and Graham's youth might hurt them in a big game.  However, their ability to make a big play has increased dramatically with a healthy Roberts, Fix and Palmer at WR.  Bradshaw is playing with a lot more confidence too.  Isabelle and Banks are emerging as young playmakers.  Roberts has more patience at qb and has a better ability to make the check downs that he needs to on those passing plays.  Also, Lilly wasn't utilized much in that first game either. 

I’ll give Union the edge in most categories but the direction Graham is going I’m not sold on a Union win.  The biggest difference I see in Graham is the intensity and desire edge that if they carry that, could be the difference maker!

[Unchained]

8 minutes ago, jeffro said:

I’ll give Union the edge in most categories but the direction Graham is going I’m not sold on a Union win.  The biggest difference I see in Graham is the intensity and desire edge that if they carry that, could be the difference maker!

More desire than a senior-laden team that has never been able to get over the hump? A team that absolutely knows that it's now or never? I am sure with every fiber of my being that nobody is more motivated than this Union team. We may play poorly with turnovers, flags and lose, but it will not be because anybody wanted the win more.

[Stelley]

32 minutes ago, Unchained said:

More desire than a senior-laden team that has never been able to get over the hump? A team that absolutely knows that it's now or never? I am sure with every fiber of my being that nobody is more motivated than this Union team. We may play poorly with turnovers, flags and lose, but it will not be because anybody wanted the win more.

Think he was mainly referring to the fact that every snap Graham is thinking about driving their main into the ground. That’s the main difference I’ve noticed between Union and Graham against Lebanon. Idk if it’s where Union was just being nicer or what but Graham was was definitely a lot meaner, hence the trade off for some of the penalties

[Unchained]

1 minute ago, Stelley said:

Think he was mainly referring to the fact that every snap Graham is thinking about driving their main into the ground. That’s the main difference I’ve noticed between Union and Graham against Lebanon. Idk if it’s where Union was just being nicer or what but Graham was was definitely a lot meaner, hence the trade off for some of the penalties

It seemed to me watching the game today that from the start Lebanon just looked like they'd rather be somewhere else and Graham jumped all over it. Lebanon came out last week with so much energy even before kickoff, like they had something to prove, and was expecting to win. Today they looked like they were hoping to win-big difference. No disrespect to Graham who played stellar ball today, but the Pioneers just weren't the same from the get.

[Stelley]

1 minute ago, Unchained said:

It seemed to me watching the game today that from the start Lebanon just looked like they'd rather be somewhere else and Graham jumped all over it. Lebanon came out last week with so much energy even before kickoff, like they had something to prove, and was expecting to win. Today they looked like they were hoping to win-big difference. No disrespect to Graham who played stellar ball today, but the Pioneers just weren't the same from the get.

Honestly couldn’t tell how they were from the start since NFHS was having problems😂

[Union_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Stelley said:

Think he was mainly referring to the fact that every snap Graham is thinking about driving their main into the ground. That’s the main difference I’ve noticed between Union and Graham against Lebanon. Idk if it’s where Union was just being nicer or what but Graham was was definitely a lot meaner, hence the trade off for some of the penalties

Graham plays the short game nearly every week. Meaning let's blitz and bring maximum pressure the 1st play through the last play. If it works, things start to snowball like it did today.

If it doesn't work, you sometimes give up big plays or have missed assignments.

Against Lebanon, Union was playing the long game. Keep the recivers in front, don't give up the big plays. Rush 3 knowing that the O-Line will eventually wear down.

Graham is aggressive. Union is preventative. Graham plays to win. Union plays to not lose.

That's the biggest difference I've seen over the past 6 years or so.

[Union_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Unchained said:

It seemed to me watching the game today that from the start Lebanon just looked like they'd rather be somewhere else and Graham jumped all over it. Lebanon came out last week with so much energy even before kickoff, like they had something to prove, and was expecting to win. Today they looked like they were hoping to win-big difference. No disrespect to Graham who played stellar ball today, but the Pioneers just weren't the same from the get.

I thought the same thing. My brother-in-law said it to.

Have to wonder if the day and time had anything to do with it. I know that Union never looks as good on Saturday afternoons as they do on Friday nights.

[jeffro]

33 minutes ago, Stelley said:

Think he was mainly referring to the fact that every snap Graham is thinking about driving their main into the ground. That’s the main difference I’ve noticed between Union and Graham against Lebanon. Idk if it’s where Union was just being nicer or what but Graham was was definitely a lot meaner, hence the trade off for some of the penalties

They got their “nasty” back lol

[Unchained]

19 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

I thought the same thing. My brother-in-law said it to.

Have to wonder if the day and time had anything to do with it. I know that Union never looks as good on Saturday afternoons as they do on Friday nights.

Lebanon's coach said that postgame. Schedule and routine get out of whack sometimes.

[jeffro]

1 minute ago, Unchained said:

Lebanon's coach said that postgame. Schedule and routine get out of whack sometimes.

Lol and sometimes you just get “whacked”. !

[Unchained]

Just now, jeffro said:

Lol and sometimes you just get “whacked”. !

Yeah the date and time difference don't make up a 59-14 🙂

[UnionGuy2017]

11 minutes ago, Unchained said:

Lebanon's coach said that postgame. Schedule and routine get out of whack sometimes.

 

9 minutes ago, jeffro said:

Lol and sometimes you just get “whacked”. !

LOL. So this week the date and time was the reason? Last week it was all about how great Lebanon looked in the first half. 
 

Sometimes you just get worn out. Union probably has a wider margin if Chandler is healthy and gets more than 3 touches in the first half. 
 

Monday-Sunday, Noon to Midnight, 59-14 doesn’t change. 

[sup_rbeast]

1 hour ago, Unchained said:

It seemed to me watching the game today that from the start Lebanon just looked like they'd rather be somewhere else and Graham jumped all over it. Lebanon came out last week with so much energy even before kickoff, like they had something to prove, and was expecting to win. Today they looked like they were hoping to win-big difference. No disrespect to Graham who played stellar ball today, but the Pioneers just weren't the same from the get.

Watching the game, it seemed to me that once Lebanon cut it to 21-14 only to turn around and give up 2 big plays in secession and suddenly be down 21…at that point the reality of the situation set in. They are a good team but not quite on the level of the top teams in the region. Going into the Union game, that may have been thought, but it was still unknown. After last Friday and those few minutes just before the half today it became apparent.

[Unchained]

4 minutes ago, sup_rbeast said:

Watching the game, it seemed to me that once Lebanon cut it to 21-14 only to give up 2 big plays and suddenly be down 21…at that point the reality of the situation set in. They are a good team but not quite on the level of the top teams in the region. Going into the Union game, that may have been thought, but it was still unknown, but after those few minutes just before the half today it became apparent.

They need to make a deeper commitment to weight program. IMO that's why we're seeing improvement at GC. The Devils are much stronger on the lines this season than in recent years. You can tell they are putting in the work. Until Lebanon amps up the strength and conditioning game, they will not hit next level.