Unofficial Powerpoints after Week 10 - 11/3

[sup_rbeast]

Just now, Unchained said:

They need to make a deeper commitment to weight program. IMO that's why we're seeing improvement at GC. The Devils are much stronger on the lines this season than in recent years. You can tell they are putting in the work. Until Lebanon amps up the strength and conditioning game, they will not hit next level.

Thing is, once this season is over Lebanon loses what has been their team this year. How the rest of the team and those who choose to come out next year approach the off season will determine whether the Pioneers are just a flash in the pan or begin to build a program that can compete on a yearly basis.

[Unchained]

Just now, sup_rbeast said:

Thing is, once this season is over Lebanon loses what has been their team this year. How the rest of the team and those who choose to come out next year approach the off season will determine whether the Pioneers are just a flash in the pan or begin to build a program that can compete on a yearly basis.

Exactly

[sup_rbeast]

5 minutes ago, Unchained said:

Exactly

Imo a lot of that and any further success depends on a few things, with stability at the head coaching position being number 1. If the coach can instill a culture where the players trust in the program, work hard, and expect to win, then a team has a much better chance than if the coach changes every handful of years leading to constant change. In a situation like that a team never becomes a serious contender year in and year out. Lifting is important, but not nearly as important as some things that the kids themselves can’t control. 

[Stelley]

1 minute ago, sup_rbeast said:

Imo a lot of that and any further success depends on a few things, with stability at the head coaching position being number 1. If the coach can instill a culture where the players trust in the program, work hard, and expect to win, then a team has a much better chance than if the coach changes every handful of years leading to constant change. In a situation like that a team never becomes a serious contender year in and year out. Lifting is important, but not nearly as important as some things that the kids themselves can’t control. 

And dropping to 1a will help

[Unchained]

1 minute ago, sup_rbeast said:

Imo a lot of that and any further success depends on a few things, with stability at the head coaching position being number 1. If the coach can instill a culture where the players trust in the program, work hard, and expect to win, then a team has a much better chance than if the coach changes every handful of years leading to constant change. In a situation like that a team never becomes a serious contender year in and year out.

My eldest son played for 3 coaches in 4 years. ZERO chance of success without consistency.

[sup_rbeast]

2 minutes ago, Unchained said:

My eldest son played for 3 coaches in 4 years. ZERO chance of success without consistency.

You see it all the time locally. A team will be a constant in the post season for years under one coach. Then he hangs it up or goes elsewhere and the entire program implodes.

[sup_rbeast]

10 minutes ago, Stelley said:

And dropping to 1a will help

It’s always better to be a big fish in a little pond than a little fish in a big pond. That’s a fact. IMO it’s harder to build a program with any consistency in a situation where classification is constantly changing, too. The ones willing to hang around when playing in a smaller classification may not be willing to do the same when the odds of success are lower. Winning fixes a lot of things. Turnout is one of them.

[Wolf1207]

20 hours ago, Unchained said:

My eldest son played for 3 coaches in 4 years. ZERO chance of success without consistency.

See Ridgeview, 4 head football coaches since the opening of the school. It’s only been 10 years. 

[Stelley]

3 minutes ago, Wolf1207 said:

See Ridgeview, 4 head football coaches since the opening of the school. It’s only been 10 years. 

This is Lebanons 3rd coach post covid

[1inStripes]

Have they received any updates on moving to 1A, or believe the next enrollment numbers will get them there anyway?  Was a little surprised when I heard they were petitioning to move to the Cumberland.  Would have assumed they would ask to go back to the Hogo.

[Fairlawncat]

7 minutes ago, Stelley said:

This is Lebanons 3rd coach post covid

Lebanon needs to hold on to him because that guy is legit. 

[tornado99]

2 minutes ago, Fairlawncat said:

Lebanon needs to hold on to him because that guy is legit. 

Serious question, can Lebanon do all the things schematically without Reece at the helm?

Really, I’m not trying to be condescending. I, admittedly don’t know all the nuances with the passing game that has made Lebanon successful with Reece. I just don’t think most teenagers can make the decisions or give you the freedom of a more sophisticated game plan. 
 

[tornado99]

I, also think Honaker is so successful at passing recently because Musick and Lowe are well above average as well. 

[Fairlawncat]

19 minutes ago, tornado99 said:

Serious question, can Lebanon do all the things schematically without Reece at the helm?

Really, I’m not trying to be condescending. I, admittedly don’t know all the nuances with the passing game that has made Lebanon successful with Reece. I just don’t think most teenagers can make the decisions or give you the freedom of a more sophisticated game plan. 
 

Hard to say. Having the horses makes things way easier. Time will tell, but I think Lebanon is a very well coached football team.

[Wolf1207]

5 hours ago, Stelley said:

This is Lebanons 3rd coach post covid

Same for Ridgeview. Tiller, Stanley, and now Grant.  I also sense one more change by 2030. 

[Gridiron60]

13 hours ago, Wolf1207 said:

See Ridgeview, 4 head football coaches since the opening of the school. It’s only been 10 years. 

I don’t think any team can compete with Fort Chiswell. I lost count of how many they’ve had in recent years. 

[BobSmith]

6 minutes ago, Gridiron60 said:

I don’t think any team can compete with Fort Chiswell. I lost count of how many they’ve had in recent years. 

I think Tazewell has had 7 since 2010. Padgett, Harris, Allen, Tate, Smith, Wyatt, and one other I think.

[BoBob]

I know it region 2C but 

#2 Gretna comes to #4 Appomattox this Friday.   Gretna (7-1) is clearly the favorite but remember that two of Appo's (5-3) losses have come to Seminole teams, class 3 and one of those being Heritage.  

[Hokiebird7]

7 minutes ago, BoBob said:

I know it region 2C but 

#2 Gretna comes to #4 Appomattox this Friday.   Gretna (7-1) is clearly the favorite but remember that two of Appo's (5-3) losses have come to Seminole teams, class 3 and one of those being Heritage.  

Should be a heck of a game..if it wasn't so far I'd like to see it

[Fairlawncat]

10 minutes ago, BoBob said:

I know it region 2C but 

#2 Gretna comes to #4 Appomattox this Friday.   Gretna (7-1) is clearly the favorite but remember that two of Appo's (5-3) losses have come to Seminole teams, class 3 and one of those being Heritage.  

Calpreps/HSRatings.com Pick

Appo 31, Gretna 30

[V-Cats]

2 hours ago, Gridiron60 said:

I don’t think any team can compete with Fort Chiswell. I lost count of how many they’ve had in recent years. 

FC has had 8 coaches since 2013:

James

Hale

Tiller

Wingate

Akers

Thompson

Quesenberry

Mabry

[Gridiron60]

41 minutes ago, V-Cats said:

FC has had 8 coaches since 2013:

James

Hale

Tiller

Wingate

Akers

Thompson

Quesenberry

Mabry

I knew it was a lot. It’s hard to build a program with that much turnover. 

[Stelley]

16 hours ago, 1inStripes said:

Have they received any updates on moving to 1A, or believe the next enrollment numbers will get them there anyway?  Was a little surprised when I heard they were petitioning to move to the Cumberland.  Would have assumed they would ask to go back to the Hogo.

Hogo doesn’t want them. Especially chilhowie

[1inStripes]

3 hours ago, Stelley said:

Hogo doesn’t want them. Especially chilhowie

Feel like that is based on something in the past between the two schools or Chilhowie wanting to maintain being the biggest fish in the pond so to speak?  Either way I would bet if Lebanon gets to move back to 1A the VHSL will end up having to make the decision as to which district they go to.  I can't imagine TW would be in favor of that district bus ride.

[tornado99]

With consolidation of all these really small schools, maybe many of the disparities work themselves out. I know there isn’t a perfect system and it’s really tough on our end of the state with so many smaller schools. Those borderline schools really make it difficult when you look at such differences. Without looking at admin numbers it just blows my mind that a few students either way have schools either competing with those much smaller or much bigger. It just seems to me like Lebanon, Grayson, George Wythe, Graham, Tazewell, etc should be playing each other instead of Twin Springs, Northwood, Rye Cove, etc, though Graham seems to be the only one that consistently punches above its weight class.