Union HC 2026

[Fairlawncat]

6 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

Do you punish a fully qualified coach just because you try to start fresh?

Are there outside influences(school board, boosters) that want to clean house?
 

As much transparency as legally possible needs to take place so that everyone feels like an informed decision has been made.

1. Dont need to "start fresh."

2. If they want to "clean house" at the school board, they are dumb people.

3. There doesnt need to be any "transparency to make everyone feel." 

The events speak for themselves. You have one person that did wrong, not 2, not 3, not 5, not 10. Replace the one person responsible with your current acting head coach, become a touch more diverse offensively over the next few years, when state titles, and move on. Union, you dont need to "prove your worthiness or prove that you are good" to the public. You did nothing wrong. Players did nothing wrong. Assistants did nothing wrong. One person did. If you have a nice vehicle and the engine goes bad but everything else works top notch and the vehicle has 10,000 miles on it. You replace the engine, not the whole car. You also dont go around "explaining to people" why you only replaced the engine in the new car because the rest of the car works fine. You simply replace the engine.

[Union_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Fairlawncat said:

1. Dont need to "start fresh."

2. If they want to "clean house" at the school board, they are dumb people.

3. There doesnt need to be any "transparency to make everyone feel." 

The events speak for themselves. You have one person that did wrong, not 2, not 3, not 5, not 10. Replace the one person responsible with your current acting head coach, become a touch more diverse offensively over the next few years, when state titles, and move on. Union, you dont need to "prove your worthiness or prove that you are good" to the public. You did nothing wrong. Players did nothing wrong. Assistants did nothing wrong. One person did. If you have a nice vehicle and the engine goes bad but everything else works top notch and the vehicle has 10,000 miles on it. You replace the engine, not the whole car. You also dont go around "explaining to people" why you only replaced the engine in the new car because the rest of the car works fine. You simply replace the engine.

There are a few things that you are not aware, that I won't mention now, that led to my questions.

I have intimate knowledge (seen evidence with my own eyes) of things that have been swept under the rug in Wise Co, that makes this situation look tame.

Transparency has always been an issue between the school system and the public. Shady deals beyond belief.

I go through FERPA training annually, so I'm well aware of what can and cannot be shared with the public. You cannot get through a situation like this without allowing the public to feel confident that ALL bad actors/issues have been resolved completely.

[Gridiron60]

22 minutes ago, Fairlawncat said:

1. Dont need to "start fresh."

2. If they want to "clean house" at the school board, they are dumb people.

3. There doesnt need to be any "transparency to make everyone feel." 

The events speak for themselves. You have one person that did wrong, not 2, not 3, not 5, not 10. 

Actually, he’s the 2nd coach since 2023 from Union High School to be charged with similar offenses. This hire is bigger than just football in my opinion. I feel like a lot of folks think those in charge are not doing their due diligence to protect the children of the school system but rather overlooking things. That’s my take from the million comments I’ve read online.

[Fairlawncat]

6 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

There are a few things that you are not aware, that I won't mention now, that led to my questions.

I have intimate knowledge (seen evidence with my own eyes) of things that have been swept under the rug in Wise Co, that makes this situation look tame.

Transparency has always been an issue between the school system and the public. Shady deals beyond belief.

I go through FERPA training annually, so I'm well aware of what can and cannot be shared with the public. You cannot get through a situation like this without allowing the public to feel confident that ALL bad actors/issues have been resolved completely.

Very fair and true. No way I can argue that or disagree with you. Im approaching it from an outsiders point of view and giving all others the benefit of the doubt. If what you are saying is true (and I believe it is based on seeing your posting on here) then that completely changes my opinion on the subject. Your recent post is the first Ive seen on here that suggests there is more to it regarding sweeping things, etc. If this is the case, then you got to do what you got to do regarding the new coach or coaches.

[Union_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Fairlawncat said:

Very fair and true. No way I can argue that or disagree with you. Im approaching it from an outsiders point of view and giving all others the benefit of the doubt. If what you are saying is true (and I believe it is based on seeing your posting on here) then that completely changes my opinion on the subject. Your recent post is the first Ive seen on here that suggests therw is more to it regarding sweeping things, etc. If this is the case, then you got to do what you got to do regarding the new coach or coaches.

And just for the record, I'm not implying that any of the current football coaching staff is guilty of anything.

I do want to make that clear.

Just don't be surprised if there are a few more personnel changes at Union High School.

[Union_Fan]

9 minutes ago, Gridiron60 said:

Actually, he’s the 2nd coach since 2023 from Union High School to be charged with similar offenses. This hire is bigger than just football in my opinion. 

Exactly. There's a bigger problem there than what has been made public. I'm expecting this situation to be used for broader changes.

[1inStripes]

13 hours ago, JDHoss said:

I know a Tulsa alum who loves what Tre Lamb and Brad have done this year. If Brad's offense continues to be successful, I could see him taking the OC position at a better FBS program than Tulsa, where the resources are more limited in terms of facilities and NIL. From there, it'll be interesting to see how far he climbs the ladder. 

It is more Tre's offense than Brad's at Tulsa though.  Tre has taken his system from GW - ETSU - Tulsa - I expect a P4 job very soon.  He's very similar to what Briles and Heupel run.  Wouldn't surprise me if Lamb is hired away and Brad replaces him at Tulsa though.

[JDHoss]

1 minute ago, 1inStripes said:

It is more Tre's offense than Brad's at Tulsa though.  Tre has taken his system from GW - ETSU - Tulsa - I expect a P4 job very soon.  He's very similar to what Briles and Heupel run.  Wouldn't surprise me if Lamb is hired away and Brad replaces him at Tulsa though.

It's Lamb's offense, but Brad is calling the plays. My Tulsa grad (played football there) friend raved about how he mixes things up and uses the TE in the passing game. He might replace Lamb, but Tulsa has a fairly low ceiling. OTOH, look at what Eric Morris did at North Texas. 

[CPF]

1 hour ago, Fairlawncat said:

1. Dont need to "start fresh."

2. If they want to "clean house" at the school board, they are dumb people.

3. There doesnt need to be any "transparency to make everyone feel." 

The events speak for themselves. You have one person that did wrong, not 2, not 3, not 5, not 10. Replace the one person responsible with your current acting head coach, become a touch more diverse offensively over the next few years, when state titles, and move on. Union, you dont need to "prove your worthiness or prove that you are good" to the public. You did nothing wrong. Players did nothing wrong. Assistants did nothing wrong. One person did. If you have a nice vehicle and the engine goes bad but everything else works top notch and the vehicle has 10,000 miles on it. You replace the engine, not the whole car. You also dont go around "explaining to people" why you only replaced the engine in the new car because the rest of the car works fine. You simply replace the engine.

Actually there have been 2 since 2022. That kind of changes things imo. It's a trust issue.

[Fairlawncat]

4 minutes ago, CPF said:

Actually there have been 2 since 2022. That kind of changes things imo. It's a trust issue.

True. It dose change things

[Oopsie]

Look no further than J Carroll at @ Lee High. He can coach, lacking talent at Lee plus the extras coaches have to navigate down there is a burden !

[Liam McPoyle]

From a liability standpoint, the school system and board can’t afford to look like they made only surface-level changes. If a third incident happened — even in a different part of the school — they could be accused of not taking reasonable steps to improve oversight after multiple red flags. That’s when terms like failure to supervise, negligence or deliberate indifference start coming into play.

That’s why an outside hire matters. It shows meaningful action and helps protect the school, the students, and the board from future legal and public-trust fallout.

 

[Fairlawncat]

Carroll is pretty good. Caroll has never had elite talent. Marion and Lee isnt Uion talent. Unions offense would look much different than what fans are use to seeing.

[Oopsie]

1 hour ago, Fairlawncat said:

Carroll is pretty good. Caroll has never had elite talent. Marion and Lee isnt Uion talent. Unions offense would look much different than what fans are use to seeing.

I’d love to see him coach with Union talent !

[sup_rbeast]

22 hours ago, Union_Fan said:

They also didn't have Jacksons, Halls, Bishops, or Joneses to run the ball. That probably made a bigger difference than formation.

Those last 3 years of PV's existence were dreadful. Wouldn't have mattered what formation they were in.

PV had more all state linemen than all state RBs. Those backs were great, they had speed, quicks, toughness; but at the same time, those teams had RBs who could fill in if needed. When you run out of the I, one back gets the vast majority of the carries, but you also have to have a FB who can run and catch, and a passing game if it’s no more than the play action off the base plays. The other thing you had to have is 5 offensive linemen who can hold their blocks long enough to spring those guys, because it takes them nearly twice the time to cover the 8-10 yards they are set back vs the 3-4 in normal offenses.

[Wolf1207]

4 hours ago, Liam McPoyle said:

From a liability standpoint, the school system and board can’t afford to look like they made only surface-level changes. If a third incident happened — even in a different part of the school — they could be accused of not taking reasonable steps to improve oversight after multiple red flags. That’s when terms like failure to supervise, negligence or deliberate indifference start coming into play.

That’s why an outside hire matters. It shows meaningful action and helps protect the school, the students, and the board from future legal and public-trust fallout.

 

There was also an incident at coeburn middle school recently to. Thats why I think some heads may roll in the county. Going off the way WCYB was reporting the other day, they aren't going to drop the story anytime soon.

[Gridiron60]

Just now, Wolf1207 said:

There was also an incident at coeburn middle school recently to. Thats why I think some heads may roll in the county. Going off the way WCYB was reporting the other day, they aren't going to drop the story anytime soon.

As they shouldn’t, Wise County has some serious issues that need addressed and  more heads need to roll. 

[Wolf1207]

Just now, Gridiron60 said:

As they shouldn’t, Wise County has some serious issues that need addressed and  more heads need to roll. 

And some other school systems may want to review some things to. I don't believe for a minute that this is just a Wise County issue. 

[tornado99]

4 minutes ago, sup_rbeast said:

PV had more all state linemen than all state RBs. Those backs were great, they had speed, quicks, toughness; but at the same time, those teams had RBs who could fill in if needed. When you run out of the I, one back gets the vast majority of the carries, but you also have to have a FB who can run and catch, and a passing game if it’s no more than the play action off the base plays. The other thing you had to have is 5 offensive linemen who can hold their blocks long enough to spring those guys, because it takes them nearly twice the time to cover the 8-10 yards they are set back vs the 3-4 in normal offenses.

I think this mostly proves they had bigger and faster players overall. The formation likely wasn’t the main factor of the coach’s preference or superior strategy. That said, all positions are somewhat necessary, but if you have a good offensive line and a stud at tailback, you could simply win by letting him follow his blocks.

[goose111874]

3 minutes ago, Wolf1207 said:

And some other school systems may want to review some things to. I don't believe for a minute that this is just a Wise County issue. 

My cousin said it happened in Prince George Co. also but was a female teacher

[Wolf1207]

1 minute ago, goose111874 said:

My cousin said it happened in Prince George Co. also but was a female teacher

That happens a lot more than people think.

[Gridiron60]

6 minutes ago, Wolf1207 said:

And some other school systems may want to review some things to. I don't believe for a minute that this is just a Wise County issue. 

I agree. It’s not isolated just to Wise County. 

[sup_rbeast]

6 minutes ago, tornado99 said:

I think this mostly proves they had bigger and faster players overall. The formation likely wasn’t the main factor of the coach’s preference or superior strategy. That said, all positions are somewhat necessary, but if you have a good offensive line and a stud at tailback, you could simply win by letting him follow his blocks.

The formation has a lot to do with it. Theres not many where you just line up and batter the opposition 30 times per night with the same back running 2 or 3 base plays. I can tell you from experience, to a man PV wasn’t any bigger or faster than the teams they played than most other quality teams are. Most years the PV O Line averaged around 6’ and 220 lbs. They had a monster here and there, but most were just normal sized kids for their positions. The backs usually were fairly fast, with usually at least 1 speed demon…but nearly every team has similar players. It had more to do with coaching from P-Nut thru Varsity than anything else. The two teams from the LPD in the 80s thru the mid 90s with the biggest linemen were usually Clintwood and Coeburn…by a longshot.

[RichRich]

Is Turner officially fired?

[goose111874]

5 minutes ago, RichRich said:

Is Turner officially fired?

I'd imagine he is