Gridiron60 Posted March 29 Author Report Posted March 29 24 minutes ago, Stelley said: Hayes had nowhere near the supporting cast that Dissibio had Disibbio returns along with his entire supporting cast and more depth on the bench. Central will Hayes & Horne back too. I reiterate, region D boys should be another fun one to watch next year at least whenever Central/Graham play which from what I hear won’t be in the regular season. Quote
Stelley Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Gridiron60 said: region D boys should be another fun one to watch next year at least whenever Central/Graham which from what I hear won’t be in the regular season. I’m glad to hear they got rid of their regular season matchup. Can say what you want about Damron but he’s definitely not a dummy, I think Lebanon playing them in the benefit game early also turned around to bite them too Gridiron60 1 Quote
Real Sasquatch Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 15 minutes ago, Stelley said: I’m glad to hear they got rid of their regular season matchup. Can say what you want about Damron but he’s definitely not a dummy, I think Lebanon playing them in the benefit game early also turned around to bite them too I'm sure the Graham folks are happy too. Gridiron60 and Stelley 2 Quote
BigWinners Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 2 hours ago, Real Sasquatch said: I would. Im sorry but you would be in a massive minority. I don’t believe most anyone not from Bluefield shares that opinion. Arguing Graham has two players better than Hayes is pretty crazy guys. Thats some top shelf homerism. If that was the case, then losing to them for the 2D title was super embarrassing. Stelley and Fairlawncat 1 1 Quote
BigWinners Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Stelley said: Id say likely 17-18. The BHC said he was 20 before the region tournament I don’t remember what his point totals were but I do remember that he didn’t make a field goal against Richlands, and didn’t make a field goal till late in the game against Central It may have dropped to around that number, he was sick against Richlands and then was all beat up for the Wise game. Quote
BigWinners Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 1 hour ago, Gridiron60 said: I feel like a lot of folks might believe Hayes is better which is their prerogative but by the same token just as many would say Disibbio is the better overall player. The one thing for certain, only one of the two led their team to a state championship title. Next year should be another fun basketball season in region D with both returning. One had a much better overall team. Thats a silly argument to say ones better because his team won a title. Fairlawncat 1 Quote
Gridiron60 Posted March 29 Author Report Posted March 29 23 minutes ago, BigWinners said: One had a much better overall team. Thats a silly argument to say ones better because his team won a title. That’s not what I said. I actually never said I thought one was better than the other. I said a lot think Hayes is while just as many probably think Disibbio is and only one led their team to the championship. I didn’t give my personal opinion. Both are equally talented. Real Sasquatch 1 Quote
Real Sasquatch Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 1 hour ago, BigWinners said: Im sorry but you would be in a massive minority. I don’t believe most anyone not from Bluefield shares that opinion. Arguing Graham has two players better than Hayes is pretty crazy guys. Thats some top shelf homerism. If that was the case, then losing to them for the 2D title was super embarrassing. We all have opinions. Good thing mine is the right one BigWinners 1 Quote
Cane4lf Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 6 hours ago, BigWinners said: Im sorry but you would be in a massive minority. I don’t believe most anyone not from Bluefield shares that opinion. Arguing Graham has two players better than Hayes is pretty crazy guys. Thats some top shelf homerism. If that was the case, then losing to them for the 2D title was super embarrassing. They played a total of 4 games. Central happened to win the Region game. Graham won the state and finished 3-1 against Central. I think that definitely solidifies who had the better team. I wouldn’t say embarrassing but definitely an upset. Martin is equally as talented as Hayes on the offensive end. Just have two different approaches. Penetrate and score vs jump shooter. Quote
ghs73 Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 16 hours ago, BigWinners said: Im sorry but you would be in a massive minority. I don’t believe most anyone not from Bluefield shares that opinion. Arguing Graham has two players better than Hayes is pretty crazy guys. Thats some top shelf homerism. If that was the case, then losing to them for the 2D title was super embarrassing. You know even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then but that does not make him the best at it does it. Quote
BigWinners Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 17 hours ago, Cane4lf said: They played a total of 4 games. Central happened to win the Region game. Graham won the state and finished 3-1 against Central. I think that definitely solidifies who had the better team. I wouldn’t say embarrassing but definitely an upset. Martin is equally as talented as Hayes on the offensive end. Just have two different approaches. Penetrate and score vs jump shooter. I think Martin was Grahams best player. When he was attacking the lane and converting around the rim, Graham was at their best. My point was, if Graham had two players better than Hayes, that would mean they’d have the first, second, fourth, fifth and sixth best players in a game against Wise and they should never lose to them. Graham had more contributing depth and more offensive firepower overall, Wise was really reliant on two kids. Those two kids are very good so they could beat most everyone else in 2D but against Graham, their lack of a true PG and Grahams harassing defense made it tough. Quote
Gridiron60 Posted March 30 Author Report Posted March 30 On 3/30/2026 at 5:51 PM, BigWinners said: Graham had more contributing depth What you talkin’ ‘bout Willis? 😂 Graham was literally 1-2ish players deep all season. Some JV players got moved up for tournaments but weren’t really contributors. Quote
Fairlawncat Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 1. Most Valuable Player/Player of the year in Virginia should go to Todd Baker, although hes obviously a Coach, not a player, but you get my drift. It was one of the more marvelous coaching jobs in the coaching area in many years. Very little difference in overall talent from Graham to Central Wise to Central Woodstock to Nelson County to Martinsville, to Floyd. Baker was the difference. 2. Defense is why Graham won the state title. One of the best defensive basketball teams in the coverage area in many years. Graham was good offensively, but not off the charts good and wouldnt blow you away with 90 points like those Gate City teams, but defensively? Completely off the chain. 3. Value to the team? Dissibio and Martin of great value for sure, but the on ball pressure by Fix (when Graham didn't play zone) is as good as anyone in the state of Va's class 2 that I watched. Kid is on another level athletically, even compared to Martin and Dissibio. Fix isn't the overall Player Dissibio and Martin is, but defensively, he is as good as Dissibio and Hayes are on the offensive side of the ball. If Va awarded a Class 2 Defensive POY, Fix would be at or among the top of the heap. 4. Graham was nowhere near as good on the Offensive Side of the Ball as the Gate City title team. But defensively? They were actually Better. I'm not saying they beat G.City as G.Citys three D1 players offensive skills would have overcome Grahams elite defense enough for GC to win, but on the defensive side of the ball, Graham of 25-26 was better, and they won the state title because Baker got a bunch of teenagers to buy into defense. JGray 1 Quote
Cane4lf Posted April 1 Report Posted April 1 I don’t know, they may be able to muster a win against that Gate City team. I think a Graham team beat that Gate City team in the Region Championship game the year they won state. And some may argue this years Graham team may be the best in history. But I will agree, they definitely get after it on D. Quote
Cane4lf Posted April 1 Report Posted April 1 On 3/30/2026 at 5:51 PM, BigWinners said: I think Martin was Grahams best player. When he was attacking the lane and converting around the rim, Graham was at their best. My point was, if Graham had two players better than Hayes, that would mean they’d have the first, second, fourth, fifth and sixth best players in a game against Wise and they should never lose to them. Graham had more contributing depth and more offensive firepower overall, Wise was really reliant on two kids. Those two kids are very good so they could beat most everyone else in 2D but against Graham, their lack of a true PG and Grahams harassing defense made it tough. The refs played a big part in the game they lost. They didn’t allow Graham to play their aggressive style of defense. Graham had early foul trouble and Graham only really played 6-7 guys all season. I think Graham had three kids foul out. So without that situation. I think Graham wins all four contests. Gridiron60 1 Quote
BigWinners Posted April 1 Report Posted April 1 On 3/30/2026 at 6:27 PM, Gridiron60 said: What you talkin’ ‘bout Willis? 😂 Graham was literally one player deep all season. Some JV players got moved up for tournaments but weren’t really contributors. Contributing depth. The drop off from Wises two best players was considerably further than Grahams, who had 4-6 quality starters who could hold their own. Quote
BigWinners Posted April 1 Report Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, Cane4lf said: The refs played a big part in the game they lost. They didn’t allow Graham to play their aggressive style of defense. Graham had early foul trouble and Graham only really played 6-7 guys all season. I think Graham had three kids foul out. So without that situation. I think Graham wins all four contests. With how Graham played defense, they’re fortunate any of the other meetings weren’t called as strict or the record could have evened up. The whistle was gonna dictate those meetings. Fairlawncat 1 Quote
Cane4lf Posted April 1 Report Posted April 1 24 minutes ago, BigWinners said: With how Graham played defense, they’re fortunate any of the other meetings weren’t called as strict or the record could have evened up. The whistle was gonna dictate those meetings. From Damron’s demeanor I could see that trickling down to his players mentality. Wanting every call and whining over most. Quote
Gridiron60 Posted April 1 Author Report Posted April 1 3 hours ago, BigWinners said: Contributing depth. The drop off from Wises two best players was considerably further than Grahams, who had 4-6 quality starters who could hold their own. I understand what you’re saying and Graham should be even better off next year as far as depth on the bench. The Graves kid will bring much needed height. I’d like to see him and a couple others get into the weight room that aren’t already. Quote
Fairlawncat Posted April 2 Report Posted April 2 Will the older Palmer play basketball next year? He has 2 D1 offers in football if I'm not mistaken. Most kids that are D1 in football skip basketball their senior year. Some dont. Thats why I ask. I wouldnt be 100 percent sure he's a lock to play next year, and if he doesnt, that would be a big loss on the defensive side of the ball. Quote
Gridiron60 Posted April 2 Author Report Posted April 2 4 hours ago, Fairlawncat said: Will the older Palmer play basketball next year? He has 2 D1 offers in football if I'm not mistaken. Most kids that are D1 in football skip basketball their senior year. Some dont. Thats why I ask. I wouldnt be 100 percent sure he's a lock to play next year, and if he doesnt, that would be a big loss on the defensive side of the ball. I highly doubt he skips basketball, his senior season. I think he said after winning the championship he wanted to go back to back. Quote
Real Sasquatch Posted April 2 Report Posted April 2 On 3/30/2026 at 6:27 PM, Gridiron60 said: What you talkin’ ‘bout Willis? 😂 Graham was literally 1-2ish players deep all season. Some JV players got moved up for tournaments but weren’t really contributors. Yeah, Graham had 6 guys that could play. The starting 5 and the younger Palmer off the bench. The other guys were a big step back from those 6.... Good thing all 6 are coming back and they should have at least a couple more that will contribute. Quote
Comegetsum Posted April 2 Report Posted April 2 7 hours ago, Fairlawncat said: Will the older Palmer play basketball next year? He has 2 D1 offers in football if I'm not mistaken. Most kids that are D1 in football skip basketball their senior year. Some dont. Thats why I ask. I wouldnt be 100 percent sure he's a lock to play next year, and if he doesnt, that would be a big loss on the defensive side of the ball. And he has zero offers as of now. Probably will start to come but not d1. He will play basketball he so competitive and wants more rings to add Real Sasquatch and Gridiron60 2 Quote
Fairlawncat Posted April 2 Report Posted April 2 21 minutes ago, Comegetsum said: And he has zero offers as of now. Then Prep Redzone is incorrect. It lists Syracuse, East Carolina, Bluefield State, Emory and Henry, and Duquesne as offers. https://prepredzone.com/player/gage-palmer/ Quote
Comegetsum Posted April 2 Report Posted April 2 1 hour ago, Fairlawncat said: Then Prep Redzone is incorrect. It lists Syracuse, East Carolina, Bluefield State, Emory and Henry, and Duquesne as offers. https://prepredzone.com/player/gage-palmer/ Right Quote
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