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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10495965 This article appeared on cbssportsline.com and it is absolutely riduculous. It doesn't matter if you are a mountaineer, hokie, wahoo, or a thundering herd memeber. What is said in this article is racist. He is a racist person and shouldn't be allowed to write these things. Don Imus was fired for saying the same type of thing and so should he. After reading this article if you agree that he is a racist then here is the website that will give you a chance to sign a petition to have him fired!!!!!! http://www.petitiononline.com/43121212/ [/ QUOTE ] This article is absolutely disrespectful and insulting to West Virginia, and I agree that CBS, if it has anything resembling fortitude, will reprimand this ignorant hack. It's one thing to question a football team, but it's another to degrade on a culture of which he has no knowledge. Not only that, this fellow has absolutely zero football knowledge: "I would even take Florida over Missouri and West Virginia. The Gators might give up 30 points, but they'd drop 50 on either of those teams." One of the worst "football articles I've ever read. Ever. However, one thing this article is not, is racist. He did not criticize any athlete, or any fanbase, based on national origin or skin color. You definitely have a right to be incensed about the article. Heck, I am. However, this is a totally different animal than what happened with Don Imus. Being a pathetic, talentless moron is one thing. Racism is another. [/ QUOTE ] While I agree that this is not racism, I do think that it is in the same boat as what Imus did. I think this has less to do with color of skin and more to do with people’s culture that is being subjected to ridicule. [/ QUOTE ] I definitely see where you're coming from. I should not have written "totally different", because there are some elements in common. Imus spouted off about the ladies' tattoos, degrading their femininity in the process. Point well taken. I personally believe that the media blew the racial element far out of proportion while not concentrating on the cultural element at stake. However, there was still that racial element with Imus, and that can't be understated at all. Therefore, I think that there are some similarities between Imus' slander and this blowhard's work, but I would stop short of putting them on the same plane.

[ QUOTE ] mark may said USC was the best team in the country...anyone agree? [/ QUOTE ] Nope. I disagree with about 85% of what this ex-jock broadcaster-wannabe says anyway; it doesn't shock me that he said that.

[ QUOTE ] http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10495965 This article appeared on cbssportsline.com and it is absolutely riduculous. It doesn't matter if you are a mountaineer, hokie, wahoo, or a thundering herd memeber. What is said in this article is racist. He is a racist person and shouldn't be allowed to write these things. Don Imus was fired for saying the same type of thing and so should he. After reading this article if you agree that he is a racist then here is the website that will give you a chance to sign a petition to have him fired!!!!!! http://www.petitiononline.com/43121212/ [/ QUOTE ] This article is absolutely disrespectful and insulting to West Virginia, and I agree that CBS, if it has anything resembling fortitude, will reprimand this ignorant hack. It's one thing to question a football team, but it's another to degrade on a culture of which he has no knowledge. Not only that, this fellow has absolutely zero football knowledge: "I would even take Florida over Missouri and West Virginia. The Gators might give up 30 points, but they'd drop 50 on either of those teams." One of the worst "football articles I've ever read. Ever. However, one thing this article is not, is racist. He did not criticize any athlete, or any fanbase, based on national origin or skin color. You definitely have a right to be incensed about the article. Heck, I am. However, this is a totally different animal than what happened with Don Imus. Being a pathetic, talentless moron is one thing. Racism is another.

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you go by overall schedule, this is exactly correct. Virginia Tech's schedule is 12th in the nation, with a combined opponent record of 68-48. West Virginia is 48th, with a combined opponent record of 63-57. I'm just the messenger... [/ QUOTE ] So ur saying hawaii is the best team in the nation ? ? ? [/ QUOTE ] Hawaii's S.O.S. is last in the nation. [/ QUOTE ] Close. Hawaii's is 117th of 119. Point's well-taken and fully agreed with, though.

[ QUOTE ] another thing, i don't know how you can say osu is overated if you say its cuz of there easy schedule thats crap, cuz they can't help it the big ten was down this year and it's not because there afraid to schedule good teams... they played texas two years straight, and do the same with USC next year, and i think Cal in '11 and '12, also VT in '14 and '15 i found out today haha, not many teams are willing to play an elite opponent at the beginning of the season and put the rest of there season in jeopardy if they lose, VT does it too (LSU).. [/ QUOTE ] A little bit of food for thought. Records are different based on Ohio State's playing I-AA Youngstown State, which doesn't count in the NCAA schedule-strength analysis. Ohio State's schedule is 46th-ranked nationally; the combined opponent's record is 60-54. West Virginia's combined schedule is 48th-ranked nationally; the combined opponent's record is 63-57. Not a flame, just for constructive purposes. You see teams attempt to schedule toughter out-of-conference games early in the season a little bit more today in college football. Good examples with Virginia Tech and Ohio State. Heck, even my alma mater's getting in on the mix, scheduling a home-away series with Southern California in 2008 and 2010 and the same with Penn State in 2009 and 2011. Notre Dame will also be a series coming up in a few years; just maybe they'll be decent again. Maybe...

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Give it time. When was the last time this many freshmen played this much for a VT basketball team and they were this competitive this early in the year? [/ QUOTE ] 2003-04 ADV...The Puerto Rican Assassin...he either kills the opponents with a hot hand or VT with a cold hand... [/ QUOTE ] And Vassallo flat out assassinates his team 75% of the time. Sure, he can go for 20 against Gonzaga, but the Hokies need that out of him EVERY night to compete in the ACC. Deron Washington can't do it all by himself, especially if Fester doesn't use him in the post as he should be used. Penn State was 2-14 in the Big Ten last season. That was good enough for LAST in the conference. Since Miami and Wake Forest look slightly better than advertised, Virginia Tech stands a great shot to finish last in the conference. I'm not bashing the Hokies; I certainly how how it feels to follow a young, struggling team. That's just the dead honest truth: looks like a long winter in Blacksburg. [/ QUOTE ] VT will go 0-16 in the ACC this season... [/ QUOTE ] Nah, I wouldn't go *quite* that far. It's almost as hard to lose every conference game as it is to go undefeated. Virginia even eeked out a 3-13 conference record during the last season of the Gillen tenure, and I tell you, that was a bad team. Virginia Tech has some winnble games on the schedule, including: Miami (2/9) and Wake Forest (3/4). Vassallo does have firepower; if he and Washington click on a given night, a team could easily fall to the Hokies. It'll just be few and far between. Your description of Vassallo reminds me of a young J.R. Reynolds: he rushed shots, committed turnovers, and was lax on defense. During Reynolds' junior year, he began to take his time, take care of the ball, and had a jump in his step on defense: basically, he matured as a player. It's definitely foreseeable that he could have an improvement this season, and end up as integral a part of the offense as Reynolds was for Virginia last year.

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Give it time. When was the last time this many freshmen played this much for a VT basketball team and they were this competitive this early in the year? [/ QUOTE ] 2003-04 ADV...The Puerto Rican Assassin...he either kills the opponents with a hot hand or VT with a cold hand... [/ QUOTE ] And Vassallo flat out assassinates his team 75% of the time. Sure, he can go for 20 against Gonzaga, but the Hokies need that out of him EVERY night to compete in the ACC. Deron Washington can't do all the scoring by himself, especially if Fester doesn't use him in the post as he should be used. I watched the majority of the game. The defense had quite a few holes, leaving Penn State the opportunity to hit several mid-range jumpers and barely-contested threes. Greenberg needs to revamp both his defensive personnel and hit zone: Allen at the 3, Washington at the 4, and Diakite at the 5 would be his best option, in my opinion; I haven't seen this on a constant basis. Likewise, I would throw a few different packages at opposing teams: alternate between a 2-3 and a 1-3-1. Keep teams on their toes, at least until the defense gains confidence. Penn State was 2-14 in the Big Ten last season. That was good enough for LAST in the conference. Since Miami and Wake Forest look slightly better than advertised, Virginia Tech stands a great shot to finish last in the conference. I'm not bashing the Hokies; I certainly how how it feels to follow a young, struggling team. That's just the dead honest truth: looks like a long winter in Blacksburg.

It would be foolish to say that Virginia was not on the good side of many circumstances this year. Anyone will admit that. However, I'm of the belief that you create your own opportunities to win. If Chris Long didn't have 13.5 sacks, if Cedric Peerman didn't lead the ACC in rushing for the first half of the season, if Mikell Simpson didn't come out of nowhere to pull the weight as a dual threat for this team in the second half, if the defense as a whole wasn't in the 17th in yards allowed and 14th in points allowed, this team wouldn't have been in a position in the first place to win those games. Going 5-0 in games decided by 2 points or less and 6-1 in games decided by less than one touchdown is no coincidence. It speaks to the ability of a team to dig deep, and do whatever must be done to win games. Again, luck never hurts, but to say that luck was solely responsible is not correct, in my opinion. Again, I refer to my point above, to where the teams were projected to finish. Virginia far exceeded its expectations, and given what the team has went through, I think it's more than justified.

[ QUOTE ] Does anyone else think it's stupid that Georgia is ranked above LSU? I mean, I hate LSU and the SEC, and sure it's a strong conference and Georgia is playing some great ball right now, but LSU is in the SEC championship, Georgia isnt. I can definitely see Georgia getting a nice bowl game, an at large bid to BCS game, but they shouldnt be ranked above a team who is in their own conference championship when they are not. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly right. There's even an extreme outside chance that Georgia could play for a national title without playing in its own conference championship. Reason #24871 why the current rating systems are out of whack.

Yes, Boston College was not picked to win their division: http://inthebleachers.net/bcs-conferences/acc/2007-acc-media-day-predictions/ They were picked to finish second, which they nearly accomplished in a sloppy game against Clemson. By that same chart, in every preseason magazine I saw, Virginia was a mortal lock to finish fourth in the Coastal Division, and they finished third in the entire conference. Boston College exceeded expectations, but Virginia far exceeded them, hence Al Groh's coach of the year award.

That's a bit cold and heartless...

Nice flame! Way to say something that contributes absolutely nothing relevant. Keep bringing on the Virginia hating. I honestly love it. Gets men in their 40s to act like they're 13!

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3130346 Well, that's one bowl UVA can mark off their list...won't be a rematch with UConn... [/ QUOTE ] My money's on UVA to the Peach, or Chick-F-La, or whatever there calling it now, and play Florida. [/ QUOTE ] Won't happen...ACCCG winner to BCS, loser to Peach. UVA is looking like Gator, Champs, or Music City...unless by some odd chance the ACC gets two teams in the BCS, them bump UVA up one. And don't forget Clemson, they probably have a better shot at the Gator than UVA. [/ QUOTE ] Virginia will not be going to the Music City Bowl. The only possible way for that to happen is for both Clemson and Wake Forest to jump the Hoos, and that's highly doubtful. The Tire Bowl loves to take North Carolina teams, and Wake Forest is sitting right there in Winston-Salem. Also, a few sources have told me that Florida State has been in hot negotiations this week with the Music City Bowl, and that the bowl committee has Florida State is tops on the list. Hate to burst that bubble, but Virginia's not going there. The likelihood that the ACC will get two teams in the BCS is fairly slim, really. Of course, this would necessitate a Boston College victory. However, the margin of victory much be razor-thin; an overtime performace would help. You have to think of the at-large teams you're going against: Kansas, Missouri/Oklahoma, Georgia, Hawaii, Arizona State, Hawaii, and LSU (since the record would be identical if they lost the SEC title game, and they thrashed the Hokies). That's some fairly stiff competition, but not impossible. The Hokies would need some friends in high places to pull this off. For Virginia specifically, it would take a miracle to get to the Peach Bowl: there would have to be 2 ACC teams in the BCS, with the Peach Bowl committee choosing Virginia (who would deserve it, based on conference record) over Clemson (who is quite close to Atlanta and travels well). I think the money would trump us, there. The Gator Bowl is fairly realistic, because the bowl committee has shifted somewhat in their views. Looking at their press releases, the team most-wanted has moved from "Clemson, Clemson, Clemson" to either Clemson or Virginia. It's 50/50, and I frankly think it depends on who wins the ACC title game: if Boston College, Clemson goes; if Virginia Tech, Virginia goes. Of course, there is still the chance that the Gator Bowl will pull a 2002 and have Clemson jump the Hoos. That wouldn't shock me. Then, there's the Champs Sports Bowl. I see this definitely happening if Boston College wins. I still see it as a possibility even if they don't. It'll be an interesting time until the ACC bids are announced following the title game.

I knew you couldn't resist . They just exercised the rollover option. As much as it pains me to say it, it's hard for them not to exercise the option.

I just came across something that was hilarious, and I figured I'd share it. Adult Swim's take on the BCS: http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a25c392167bf53f01167c7fabae0005 Just a warning, there's a spattering of language and adult themes in there, for the young ones or those easily offended. If that's not you, enjoy!

It's official. Al Groh won the ACC Coach of the Year Tuesday, his second (2002) in seven years at Virginia. He beat out Boston College's Jeff Jagodzinski and Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer to win the award. Website: http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticl...DB_OEM_ID=17800 Now, if he could put up 9 wins every year...

To add to the ACC/Big 10-11 Walkover updates: Virginia thumps Northwestern, 94-52. The most lopsided victory in the history of the "Challenge". *Yawn*. Another day for ACC Basketball, baby.

That's good food for thought! I glanced at the article today on ESPN's "Page Two", and really sat down to read it now. I dug a little bit, and it didn't take me long to find where Lindsey Lubechow found here information on Virginia: http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/acad_grad_athletes.htm A fairly interesting website to thumb through. Really, here's the meat and bones of the article: [ QUOTE ] Appropriately, Luebchow came up with a ratings procedure that's hard to understand -- just like the real BCS! Her reasoning: "The A/BCS formula starts with the football team's four-class average federal graduation rate, which includes all football players who entered college between 1997 and 2000 and graduated within six years. Football programs then earn or lose points based on three criteria. First, the gap between the graduation rate of the team and the overall school. Second, the gap between the black-white graduation rate disparity on the team and at the overall school. Third, the team's Academic Progress Rate, a measure developed by the NCAA that evaluates how many student-athletes are advancing toward a degree." [/ QUOTE ] She lists three criteria: 1. Gap between the graduation rate of the team and the overall school. Virginia football: 64.6%; Virginia whole: 92.2%. That's a fairly damning statistic, I say. 2. Black-white graduation disparity of the team and overall school. Virginia football: 15.1%; Virginia whole: 4.0%. That not very solid, either. 3. I had to go to another webpage to determine Virginia's individual Academic progress rate. The site is http://chronicle.com/stats/apr/index.php...30&start=45 Virginia is tied for 55th in the nation in this regard, with an overall score of 978. The football team has a score of 972. Anything above a 925 is respectable, per the NCAA standards. With some Virginia players moving to the National Footbal League, this number isn't really a shocker. However, before there is any gloating, this concerns primarily college graduation rates. It is but one factor is an athlete's academic performance, not the deciding end-all for athletic academic performance. Likewise, there are exceptions with any given class: note for the incoming class of 2000, the graduation rate disparity was down from 15.1% to 10.3%, and that more African-American athletes graduated that white athletes; it shows an upward trend with more current current classes. Still, I would much like for those statistics to be much better for Virginia's behalf. Much, much better.

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Anything AC/DC: TNT, Hell's Bells, Thunderstruck But we digress... [/ QUOTE ] Don't you think Dirty Deeds fits them Nasty Boys,O-line and of course Thunderstruck is the "D" [/ QUOTE ] Good thinking! Sounds like a plan to me.

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You equate giving preferrential consideration with compromising the academic standards of the University of Virginia, and those two do not necessarily go hand-in-hand. I am not in favor of preferrential treatment of athletes, don't get me wrong. However, he wasn't doing educational work over the summer in a frantic attempt to bend the academic standards get in. His academics were set by the time he left high school, and for Virginia to consider him, he must have had the academic criteria to make it in. [/ QUOTE ] We're not talking about the general academic standards of the University of Virginia, which are certainly beyond reproach. We're talking about the separate standards that exist for athletes (at UVA and everywhere else, for that matter). It's really an apples and oranges comparison (and possibly nectarines too, for that matter). Ahmad Bradhaw definitely did not meet the academic standards established for non-athlete students of the University of Virginia. If he had, then his admission would never have been in question. Whether or not he met the separate requirements for athletes is questionable. I believe he probably did. But this is proof of the fact that there are two standards at work, and the University's general standards simply aren't applicable. If a UVA coach wants a recruit badly enough, it doesn't matter how academically qualified that person is (assuming he meets some really minimal requirements) -- they will be admitted to the University. Ergo, the University's stringent admissions requirements really aren't a hindrance to recruiting. [/ QUOTE ] A comparison between academic standards and athletic standards is not like comparing apples to oranges, especially when academics make an athlete eligible to play his/her sport. I will stray from touting the numbers of Virginia for their own sake; I state statistics solely to make a point about the athletic recruits. From this point on in this post, I will simply display how I believe it affects the ability for Virginia to get its athletes. In order to make my argument, I will post this one set of statistics, which I will tie into athletics in a short while: http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=2350&profileId=0 Look under the fourth column: "Student Body". This is not "Student Body Minus Athletes"; it is a representation of all the members of the University community. Look specifically at the fourth and fifth set of groupings in there. In the fourth set, the statistics state that 100% of Virginia students were in the top half of their high school class. Not 99%. Not >99%. 100%. Athletes included. In the fifth set, look at the grade distributions. 100% of students have a 2.5 GPA or higher. As you see, there is no category denoting below a 2.5, because there are no students at Virginia under a 2.5, including athletes. This does not have a bearing on most sports at Virginia, notably soccer, tennis, and lacrosse: the prep sports, to put it lightly. It does have a larger bearing on basketball and football. The most recent basketball exclusion from Virginia for falling below in-house academic standards was Jason Clark, a solid defensive player under the Gillen era (when defense was at a premium). With regards to football, I'm sure we can agree that there are a fair number of four-star or five-star recruits that pay more attention to their athletics, sacrificing education at times to compete for top colleges. Since the Virginia standard is a 2.5 and 1000 on the SATs (1500: revamped), these students are not likely to get in if they were recruited by Virginia. This forces the coaching staff to target players with great upside potential and a strong work ethic. Blue-collar, almost... I suppose we will have to agree to disagree, which is perfectly fine. It happens on the Supreme Court with regards to nearly every issue. However, since we are just rehashing the same points over and over again, this topic has pretty much come to a stalemate. I do respect your opinion, but I do not fully see evidence in order to sway me from my belief. I'm sure this applies to you, also. I say we move on from this topic.

[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] your right wvu is awful take a look at it no tradtion at all never played for a championship..oops...sorry forgot about 88, shalacked in 93 but did play for a share...most likely in 2007....beat oklahoma in the days when okie ( under switzer) was almost unbeatable....that was 82 for all you crazy nuts...wvu is terrible...keep thinking...and hokies at the end of this year...it is very possible,other than the series lead 28-23...wvu will have two more natinal championship appearances than you and also possibly 1 more national champioship....I am thinking of getting a tatoo of 304....its a little tastier than 757 [/ QUOTE ] Did I say a word about what the eff WVU did 25 years ago??? I am simple stating that WVU has not played a tougher schedule then Virginia Tech has this year. [/ QUOTE ] If you go by overall schedule, this is exactly correct. Virginia Tech's schedule is 12th in the nation, with a combined opponent record of 68-48. West Virginia is 48th, with a combined opponent record of 63-57. I'm just the messenger...

Keep it snug until 2008, I don't care. No NCAA team national title will be there for a long, long time. It hasn't in the first 135 years, it won't in the foreseeable future.

Anything AC/DC: TNT, Hell's Bells, Thunderstruck But we digress...

Very nice. In fact, I could live with that and be fairly happy. I prefer a playoff system to the BCS, but the powers that be likely would not allow that until the price becomes right.

I wouldn't be so sure about next year. Virginia loses Chris Long, Jordy Lipsey, Ian Yates-Cunningham, Clint Sintim, and Jermaine Dias; that's about it. Virginia Tech loses much more than that, but keeps Tyrod Taylor. I expect next year's game to be even more hotly contested than this. After that, I expect three straight Virginia Tech victories. True, it is four more years until Groh's tenure is over. It was unclear from the initial post.