legend11 32 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Tell me if you think they are on them: Barry Bonds Mark McGuire Sammy Sosa Lance Armstrong Now, name a percentage of how many people you think use performance enhancing drugs in professional football and baseball, as well as any additional sports that might use them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD4VT 11 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Bonds - YES McGwire - YES Sosa - YES Armstrong - I have no idea because I don't follow his sport. Percentage of baseball players using performance enhancing drugs? I couldn't put a number on it but it's high. Football? I don't know but I'm sure there are some who use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy10 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 I do happen to follow Armstrong's sport and I do not see any possible way he is on roids'. He is the most tested athlete in the world. In season and off season he is tested several times and the French media would love nothing more but to bust him on such allegations. If you havent, I strongly encourage the reading of Armstrong's first book "Its Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life". It will give you a new outlook and respect for what he has accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues_82 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 All the above yes except for Armstrong...he's is just the "perfect" example of an athlete that has overcome cancer...after he was cured of cancer and even before he was he cured he worked hard and his efforts have paid off in the number of wins he has had in the Tour 'de France...keep on rollin Lance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverbaseball 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Bonds: Yes Mcgwire: NO Sosa: Yes Lance: NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhsfan88 22 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Bonds-Yes McGwire-Yes Sosa-No Lance-No At first I thought McGwire might be clean but after his testimony at the Congressional hearing, he pretty much sealed his fate up. He would say anything about it and know he runs from any public appearances such as being inducted into the Bay Area Hall of Fame. As for Armstrong, with all the testing cyclist go through there's no way he could be on steroids. I saw the other day on SC where he said a couple weeks ago, a couple of guys showed up at his door to give him a completely random drug test at 8 in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverbaseball 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 I really don't think Mark Mcgwire took steriods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefieldRocks 14 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Sosa prefers cork bats to improve his batting over roid's...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD4VT 11 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I really don't think Mark Mcgwire took steriods [/ QUOTE ] Take a look at pictures of Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire before they started making a mockery of the record books. They were alot smaller then. These guys have been working out their entire careers but became huge seemingly overnight. There is no doubt in my mind they have used steroids to get where they are. I also have no doubt that baseball is not interested in stopping it. Homeruns sell tickets and that's what they want. Bigger players + smaller parks = 2x as many homeruns as 12 years ago. BTW, did you notice how much smaller McGwire is now that he's been retired a couple years? I don't think someone who's been an athlete his entire life is going to just stop working out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I really don't think Mark Mcgwire took steriods [/ QUOTE ] Take a look at pictures of Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire before they started making a mockery of the record books. They were alot smaller then. These guys have been working out their entire careers but became huge seemingly overnight. There is no doubt in my mind they have used steroids to get where they are. I also have no doubt that baseball is not interested in stopping it. Homeruns sell tickets and that's what they want. Bigger players + smaller parks = 2x as many homeruns as 12 years ago. BTW, did you notice how much smaller McGwire is now that he's been retired a couple years? I don't think someone who's been an athlete his entire life is going to just stop working out. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. While I like McGuire as a person, he seems like a genuinely nice guy, he had to be on the juice. He pretty much admitted it in a roundabout way in his testimony anyhow. If you took Babe Ruth's cigars, drinking, and bad eating habits away and put him on a hard workout complete with the juice, he'd have put up a record that would be untouchable. It doesn't really dishearten me because I can understand why these athletes might feel the pressure of the spotlight to maintain and/or increase their success. That doesn't necessarily make it right though, because these guys are supposed to be role models. One thing that does make me rather mad is people like Jose Canseco trying to capitalize financially off of the situation with his book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverbaseball 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 You have to look at it this way though. McGwire was a big guy when he came out of college. He hit 49 home runs his rookie season so thats my only reason I don't think he was on the juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhsfan88 22 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 [ QUOTE ] McGwire was a big guy when he came out of college. [/ QUOTE ] Look at pictures of McGwire during his early years with the A's and then look at pictures of him with his years with the Cardinals, while he's chasing the single season record. There is a very big difference between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD4VT 11 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 McGwire hit 49 in the "Juiced ball" year of 1987 in which 4458 HR's were hit. There were 3813 hit in 1986, and 3180 in 1988. The 1987 record wouldn't be broken until 1996 when there were 4962. McGwire hit 52 that year. McGwire didn't get those huge arms until the mid/late 90's. Before then he was lanky. He was also plagued by injuries and spent more time rehabbing than trying to get bigger. The latter part of his career was mostly injury free so he was able to intensify (with the help of steroids) his workouts. That's when he got bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverbaseball 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Well I still don't think he took Steriods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigD4VT 11 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Well we'll never know for sure if he did or not...but I watched his testimony before congress and he seemed to do a pretty good job of incriminating himself. At least that's how I saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscgamecocks 10 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 I dont think he took steroids....I know he did..with age you dont gain muscle, you most of the time lose it, and he didnt just gain Muscle..he transformed into a middle-linebacker body frame. I gurantee he took them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverbaseball 10 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 As you get older alot of people tend to pick on weight. Which he did and he turned that fat into pure muscle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhsfan88 22 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Which he did and he turned that fat into pure muscle [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, with the help of steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscgamecocks 10 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Oh please, find me a picture of Mcgwire when he was ever fat, or becoming fat..he was never fat..he gradually over a short span..went from a body size of someone like Derek Jeter to a body like Ray Lewis. With the help of steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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uscgamecocks 10 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 A picture is worth a 1,000 words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beaverbaseball 10 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Well yea after lifting for 12, 13, or so years you would get bigger Bonds was on the juice but Mcgwire wasen't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan 10 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 McGuire didn't come out and emphatically deny taking steroids though. Did you even see any of the footage from his testimony? He said something to the extent that he didn't want to talk about "the past." If that isn't self-incriminating, I really don't know what is. That being said, I still think McGuire is a better guy than Bonds. Bonds is too cocky and arrogant, he juiced and he doesn't care what anyone thinks about him. I'd rather see McGuire or Sosa still hold the record myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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