BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 How many posters made the trip to BSG today? I’d love to put some faces to the names. I’m wearing a Bama hoodie and a toboggan. Do you guys wanna meet at the half at the flag pole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Appo just better. But the officiating has been horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Appo was very good. But the got two huge calls go their way and that was the difference. The obvious hold on Mitchelll on PR TD and the horseshit false start that gave Appo the TD before the half. Congrats Appo. sup_rbeast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I was there, didn't see this until just now or I would have came by. on the false start a official said one of the men that shifted hopped up, wasn't a steady shift. I didn't see it (they shifted 6) but if that's what he saw it was a legit call. Union made too many early mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, redtiger said: I was there, didn't see this until just now or I would have came by. on the false start a official said one of the men that shifted hopped up, wasn't a steady shift. I didn't see it (they shifted 6) but if that's what he saw it was a legit call. Union on made too many early mistakes As long as he doesn’t move towards the LOS it doesn’t matter if he hopped or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Im pretty sure a shift has to be a steady motion. Now if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and it's a bad call but I don't think I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, redtiger said: Im pretty sure a shift has to be a steady motion. Now if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and it's a bad call but I don't think I am Nope...the shift is before “set”, and you can’t go forward. I understand that refs catch a lot of hell, and take lots of abuse...so I rarely throw them under the bus, and I won’t today either. But, is it too much to ask for refs that are vaguely familiar with the odd ball plays that the teams they are officiating run OR at least know subtle aspects of the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Man 48 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 This play is actually in the nfhs football rules case book and if the official determines that the shift was designed to cause the defence to jump offside its a false start. So they got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Blues Man said: This play is actually in the nfhs football rules case book and if the official determines that the shift was designed to cause the defence to jump offside its a false start. So they got it right. So, if that’s the case: 1- How do you determine if it is designed to draw someone offside or not? Just because someone jumps offside doesn’t mean it was designed to do that...and 2- Union does that shift quite often and that’s the first time I’ve seen it called agaibst them. So, clearly, someone somewhere has blown that call...either the crew today, or every other crew Union has had when the did the same shift. I get it, though...just like climate change deniers find 2 scientists out of 100 that deny it as well to side with, some folks will side with the one crew out of probably 10 who haven’t flagged the same play. I tend to play the percentages, because they are usually right. Now, if it had come after “set” or if someone had gone towards the LOS, I would buy your explanation...but, Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Man 48 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I was just letting you know what it says in the rules, i was there and saw the play. The line judge and white hat both droped flags. When i saw the white hats flag i new he was calling it a false start, because of this situation in the case book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Blues Man said: I was just letting you know what it says in the rules, i was there and saw the play. The line judge and white hat both droped flags. When i saw the white hats flag i new he was calling it a false start, because of this situation in the case book. Many white hats have been in the same situation with Union and haven’t flagged it...he was wrong. By that interpretation, the offense would be penalized at the ref’s discretion anytime someone jumped offside due to any of the following: a TE or WR shift, a back shift, or a QB going into shotgun from under center...just for starters. Clearly a blown call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Vitale 342 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, sup_rbeast said: Many white hats have been in the same situation with Union and haven’t flagged it...he was wrong. By that interpretation, the offense would be penalized anytime someone jumped offside due to any of the following: a TE or WR shift, a back shift, or a QB going into shotgun from under center...just for starters. Clearly a blown call. LOL. Refs screw Union out of a win again huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Dick_Vitale said: LOL. Refs screw Union out of a win again huh If you read the thread, you would see that this isn’t about anyone being screwed out of a game. But, since your comprehension skills have failed you, I’ll say it to you in terms you can clearly understand. We are discussing whether or not a call should have gone against the offense or defense. Now, go on back to your coloring books and let the adults talk, junior. trumpet1988 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Vitale 342 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, sup_rbeast said: If you read the thread, you would see that this isn’t about anyone being screwed out of a game. But, since your comprehension skills have failed you, I’ll say it to you in terms you can clearly understand. We are discussing whether or not a call should have gone against the offense or defense. Now, go on back to your coloring books and let the adults talk, junior. Got to blame someone, right? Anyway, back to my coloring books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Dick_Vitale said: Got to blame someone, right? Anyway, back to my coloring books. One day, you will be able to read and understand...when you get to that point, I’ll entertain your jabs. Dick_Vitale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumpet1988 289 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I thought trolls lived under bridges. Union lost to a better team. Referees may have made a couple of bad calls. They will sometimes do that. Dick_Vitale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Man 48 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 24 minutes ago, sup_rbeast said: Many white hats have been in the same situation with Union and haven’t flagged it...he was wrong. By that interpretation, the offense would be penalized at the ref’s discretion anytime someone jumped offside due to any of the following: a TE or WR shift, a back shift, or a QB going into shotgun from under center...just for starters. Clearly a blown call. It is what it is, i wouldn't call it a blown call. The second half of the game was great to watch i really thought union was going to pull it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Blues Man said: It is what it is, i wouldn't call it a blown call. The second half of the game was great to watch i really thought union was going to pull it out. So what would you call it? It either has to be a correct call or a blown call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Man 48 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 In my opinion it was a false start, it was done in my opinion to try and make the return team jump offside with movement, to me its no different than the defense trying to make the offence jump by calling hut at the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman 135 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I probably would have made the officials aware of the play before the game, just so there wouldn't be any surprises. But that didn't cost them the game. The subsequent 10 yard punt is what unfortunately killed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Blues Man said: In my opinion it was a false start, it was done in my opinion to try and make the return team jump offside with movement, to me its no different than the defense trying to make the offence jump by calling hut at the line. I was standing right there with a clear view and saw and heard everything. It really wasn't the correct call but it's water under the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Blues Man said: In my opinion it was a false start, it was done in my opinion to try and make the return team jump offside with movement, to me its no different than the defense trying to make the offence jump by calling hut at the line. Well, the difference is it was a shift on offense and not a defender barking “hut” which is a penalty...those two don’t even equate...but, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, BigWinners said: I was standing right there with a clear view and saw and heard everything. It really wasn't the correct call but it's water under the bridge. It was right in front of me, too. A bad situation in the game for an inept call. BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 The horrendous no call when Mitchell was behind held right in front of the official on the PR TD was bad but that call was worse. sup_rbeast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 25 minutes ago, BigWinners said: The horrendous no call when Mitchell was behind held right in front of the official on the PR TD was bad but that call was worse. If calls on those 2 plays were split one per team, the outcome would’ve been affected...that was a total of 13 points either gained or set up on those 2 calls alone. The punt following the procedure penalty was bad, but with the offsides penalty, Union gets the first down and goes to the locker room no worse than 14 down...not 20. BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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