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The DUI is a definate bone head move (and a dangerous one at that) but I think alot of us have done it and just didnt get caught.

Was it a case where he did noncontact drills/practice but wasnt allowed to play?

Very true,my fiance works as a sexual assault advocate and it is unbelieveable what some people get away with. My issue is not with those that discussed the situation(hell I did) but with those who assumed he was guilty from the begining.

Alot of people shot off at the mouth when they didnt know anything about what was going on. From now on when we hear his name it isint "oh he coaches at Battle" its gonna be "he was accused of doing something with minors" and wrongfully so. Thats why I posted and thats the issue not where I got my information or who I speak w/. It is appauling that some on here branded him as a bad person(to put it lightly) w/o any reason or proof!

From what I hear(I have a good source) Ryan Whitten, the Head Football Coach at John Battle High School has been cleared of all charges by the Washington County DA and the Washington County sheriffs dept considers the case closed. The department of Social Services is still involved but they are expected to close the case within the next 30 days. Alot of rumors were spread regarding Mr. Whitten and his reputation has been drug through the mud by several of the posters on this site, he was judged and sentenced by some w/o them knowing any facts of the situation.To those of you who ran your mouths before knowing any facts, you should be ashamed and maybe you will learn to keep your mouths shut and let the law handle such matters.

Respect

I was thinking the same thing on page 10! As far as Crigger is concerned, he didnt have much to work w/ at TV but I guess the program is a little better now than before, I wouldnt put much stock in his record at TV For my part I wasnt saying PH should have lined up in the Power T and tried to run FB belly 30 times a game. I think throwing the ball is an equalizer as where a spread offense is a way to get more talent/speed on the field, if you dont have alot of talent/speed you shouldnt be running a spread offense. I do think PH would have been better suited running an offense w/ a TE which would have allowed the linemen to take advantage of angles. A scheme like the Wing-t would have allowed for angles, traps and double team blocks. I think a couple of us are just saying that would have been more effective. Earlier in this thread there were some videos of PH playing Abingdon and look at the offensive scheme and its easy to see why they struggled. B.I. was at Castlewood and now he is at J.J.Kelly, he has been there for 5-6 years now. On a related note JJK was in bad shape when he got there, his 1st season I believe they tried some spread and other things, since then they have been a wing-t team and have alot of success w/ undersized linemen and average QBs, just saying

all of that is very true. With more work from the players no doubt PH would have been more successful, when Richlands players step on the field you can tell they have put alot of work in, it can be seen not just in their size but how hard they fight, the old saying "the harder a man works, the harder it is for him to lose" comes to mind. But I really think the discussion has moved more to PHs scheme and not on the program itself, im sure Compton worked hard to develop the program and he was fighting an uphill battle

i think it depends on how a coach runs "the" spread; if were talking about lining up in 2x2 all the time and either throwing deep or running HB dive(powell valley did this alot while they were running the spread) then i dont think it will work, now if were talking about mixing it up w/ various sets, personnel combinations and motion(Richlands does this) then yes I believe youre right it can be successful at this level. We have to remember that this is low level high school football, I think that gets forgotten alot. JMO

Richlands, Virginia High and Patrick Henry do not run the same basic scheme, VA High and Richlands dont even run the same scheme and if you really think they do you really dont know anythig about Xs and Os. Just because 2 teams are both running spread sets doesent mean they are running a similar scheme. But you are right VA High and Richlands do have better athletes than PH. The schemes they run fit their personnel, PHs scheme did not fit its personnel

Dickenson County is tentatively scheduled to have the high schools consolidated in 3 years. Sadly Haysi may not have made it back by the time consolidation occurs.

I dont think Richlands would go away from the spread but w/ Johnson at RB and the turnover/inexperience at WR would Mance maybe go to more I formation? Its hard to have a D1 RB on your team and not put a FB in front of him.

I think ANY coach w/ experience and a successful record that applies for the PH job should be given serious consideration by the community, school and players. They should also be grateful that said coach applied given the current state of PH football. Not trying to knock the program but it is a pretty bad situation.

Falconfan1, you should know that names(such as yours) should be capitalized and in your sentence "I don't claim to know everything about football, however; I can spell defense though.", he though really isint necessary. No Haysi doesent have any State crowns, but the program does have 3 Region D titles and many, many district titles. Im not saying Haysi is the cradle of football knowledge, just that alot of the "new" innovations that teams are using nowadays have been done at Haysi by James Colley since the late 80s. As far as what I do or dont know about football, well, I know enough

I always knew Lance was a closet Graham fan! Glad to see you come out Lance, be proud of who you are! Just kidding

Falconfan1, when you know jack about football come back and talk to me Meaty_2, im not a know-it-all, but I do know what im talking about, most teams in this area run an 8 man front, against a 4 wide formation it becomes a 6 man front. Im from Haysi and we have been running spread sets for the past 25 years so I have a pretty good idea about how a defense will line up against a 2x2 or 3x1 set! As far as slide protection that is for passing the ball not running it, I didnt mention PHs pass blocking schemes. Dive wont work consistantly out of a spread set, 5 blockers vs 6 defenders. PH may read the end and trap backside like Abingdon but they dont have the quality of players that Abingdon does(hence their problems and why people have a problem w/ Compton). Most local teams DO NOT run zone blocking schemes. The basic rules of blocking have not changed, not at this level, Gap-On-Backer works Jonah58, sorry for not making myself clear, Haysi runs a FB/QB read on the DE w/ man on man blocking (also ran it some this year from shotgun w/ HB/QB) like the veer w/o the pitch read, just a basic end read, thats more what I was referring to. I still dont agree that zone blocking will work(at least not consistantly) due to a stacked box, those seams that the zone exploits and relies on just arent there due to the extra linebacker. The Hugh Wyatt system is pretty tough to stop, like you said 2 basic plays and a QB keep, trap or pass every now and then to mix things up Hammerhead, Palmer is Mark Palmer the head coach at St Paul, hes a good guy, gets alot out of his kids and knows offense. He doesent have any state or region titles that I know of as a head coach(coaching at St Paul and Ervinton makes it hard, the situations at St paul, Ervinton and Patrick Henry are similar) but he does have some district titles and has been coaching for 15 or so years and has had some success at schools where very few have Im not saying anything against Compton personally, he may be a great, dedicated, hard working guy but his offensive scheme doesent fit his players very well and it shows I think that covers everyone

If you have quick, big linemen and a smart QB that reads the Defence and audibles the offense into good situations then it will work but those are rare situations. It has to be a quick and effective double team because the defender has the angle on the O linemen A lot of little league coaches do that and its terrible for the players, the backs try to out athlete opponents and the linemen dont really learn what blocking is A read option and a zone play are very different

Zone blocking wont work against a regular 8 man front, it just wont. In high school formations and motion open up running lanes not superior blocking. Zone blocking doesent hit a gap it looks for the defense to stretch too far and open up a gap, against an 8 man front there is a linebacker standing in that gap. Either trap, option, double team or have the backs hit the hole fast(dives) thats all that will work (at this level). Im all for innovation but out of the 40 or so local SWVA schools do any of them use zone blocking? I dont think so. They may take zone plays and adapt them to trap schemes i.e. Abingdon runs a Zone Read type play form a 2x2 set but they pull the guard and tackle to the bakside to lead for the HB, if the DE crashes then the QB keeps the ball, its not the ZR but it is ZR inspired. Draw the plays up against a 4-4 or a 3-5 defense and its easy to see it wont work, and most schools run an 8 man front(six man against a 4 wide set) unless the offense throws the ball really, REALLY well and most dont Just because something is simple and easy doesent mean its smart

Forecast for Dallas through thursday is low to mid 20s and windy, not to mention the snow and ice

I know it is probably the premier program in a football obsessed state, but an indoor practice facility is rediculious

With the snowy, cold weather in Dallas the Packers and Steelers have both decided to practice indoors; the Steelers are practicing at TCU's indoor facility, while the Packers are practicing at nearby South Lake Carroll's indoor facility. Thats right a HIGH SCHOOL in Texas has an indoor practice facility, maybe thats more common than I thought but I just find it incredible that a H.S. has an indoor practice facility, but then again it is Texas and it is South Lake Carroll. I watched the Dragons play on ESPN a few years ago and im pretty sure they would take UVA-Wise or Emory & Henry behind the woodshed, they were really good. I wonder just how much money is in that program?

That was sorta my point duceswild, often coaches who played at a high level get caught up in details and not on basics. After watching the '09 and '10 Abingdon vs PH game films, the offense for PH is a train wreck. The players are slow and weak, and the offensive scheme is fundamentally flawed. Just my opnion

High school Oline is more about getting your head on the right side of the guy you are trying to block and being agressive, thats the point. In college or pro tech thats just the start, its all details. Remember KISS, keep it simple stupid Exactly. Who wants to coach their entire career and never make it past the first round of the playoffs? Thats the situation at St. Paul or Ervinton, both fine schools but neither will ever have much football success, the players just arent there. PH may be in that situation right now but they have the enrollment to be competitive, thats appealing.

Alot of coaches that played college ball try to teach college technique and in alot of cases that just doesent apply, espicially on the Oline. College Oline tech applies to guys that are 6'4" and 310lbs not 5'10" and 220lbs, there is a huge difference there.