I'll agree with VTFan, discipline isn't the issue. When u have to kick off your better players to prove a point then u have to. Wayne Hall isn't stupid, he got out when he needed to, he had a kid last year that could outrun everyone to the endzone and they don't have that this year. As for u wave61, let me ask u this. Have u seen hurley play this year? I do congratulate the kids that stuck it out but goin through the motions and actually practicin and playin to win are 2 different things. The hurley kids are more worried about whats goin on after the game and tryin to get people to buy them beer than tryin to win one, i'd call that not carin but what do i know.