Guess we are all bigots now!

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Funny how the libs paint the Tea Party folks as racist, how will they spin these interesting election day facts?

 

Marco Rubio ® elected to Senate in Florida (Hispanic)

Suzanna Martinez ® elected as Governor in New Mexico (Hispanic)

Allen West ® elected to Congress in Florida (African American)

Tim Scott ® elected to Congress in South Carolina (African American)

 

BTW, I would totally support a Rubio/West or West/Rubio ticket in 2012....

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i dont know, but i heard someone call Griffith "Whitey"?

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Funny how the libs paint the Tea Party folks as racist, how will they spin these interesting election day facts?

 

Marco Rubio ® elected to Senate in Florida (Hispanic)

Suzanna Martinez ® elected as Governor in New Mexico (Hispanic)

Allen West ® elected to Congress in Florida (African American)

Tim Scott ® elected to Congress in South Carolina (African American)

 

BTW, I would totally support a Rubio/West or West/Rubio ticket in 2012....

 

If I heard correctly West and Scott are the first African American Republicans elected to Congress in the South since Reconstruction. If facts are spin, than so be it. I know Rubio is already being touted as a VP candidate by FOX.

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As much as I hate to say this, a minority Republican candidate would thump Obama in 2012. I'm talking Nixon/McGovern levels.

It would take away Obama's strongest selling point, and one of the two main crutches that helped him get elected in 2008.

Again, I hate to say it, but I don't see how I'm incorrect.

Edited November 4, 2010 by UVAObserver

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Obama's strongest selling point,

 

Wow.

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Wow.

 

What else does he have to rely on, Deuces? Pretty much everything that the man has enacted has been met with public disdain. If you can find another stronger selling point for Obama, I'm all ears. I mean, excluding the fact that he's not George W. Bush.

 

And I don't think that we can deny how the left rallied around Obama, for the "change" mantra and historical significance he represented.

Edited November 4, 2010 by UVAObserver

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If I heard correctly West and Scott are the first African American Republicans elected to Congress in the South since Reconstruction. If facts are spin, than so be it. I know Rubio is already being touted as a VP candidate by FOX.

 

The best aside, the fact that the mainstream media continues to paint the Tea Party movement as Racist is totally disproven by this FACT. This was my point.

 

If we were being technical about things, Lincoln a Republican freed the slaves, the Republicans gave us the Civil Rights act, the Dems actually filibustered the act.

 

I know that these facts do not prove any group to be free from prejudice, but it does throw a wrench into the over kill argument of conservatives being racist.

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What else does he have to rely on, Deuces? Pretty much everything that the man has enacted has been met with public disdain. If you can find another stronger selling point for Obama, I'm all ears. I mean, excluding the fact that he's not George W. Bush.

 

And I don't think that we can deny how the left rallied around Obama, for the "change" mantra and historical significance he represented.

 

You're saying he was voted in by a majority of Americans because he was ...black. And that the Republicans are going to win in 2012 because they can find someone...better and blacker? I don't think the Republicans need to play "who can get a minority in the White House next". Just send your best guy in for the job and not someone who was related to a past president, appeals to a minority, or appeals to women - we've seen how that's worked out for both of us.

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You're saying he was voted in by a majority of Americans because he was ...black. And that the Republicans are going to win in 2012 because they can find someone...better and blacker? I don't think the Republicans need to play "who can get a minority in the White House next". Just send your best guy in for the job and not someone who was related to a past president, appeals to a minority, or appeals to women - we've seen how that's worked out for both of us.

 

I'm not saying that he was voted in by a majority of Americans because he was black. I think that a significant number of Americans ate the "change" bullcrap hook, line, and sinker, and if I had to ascribe a primary cause, this would be it. But I would be amiss if I said that Obama's color didn't help.

 

First, the statistics don't lie: the African-American community came out in DROVES to support Obama, at historically unprecedented levels. This isn't a bad thing whatsoever-get out an vote if you can, but it's foolish to deceive ourselves that African-Americans would've turned out in similar numbers if Harry Reid or Mark Warner were running.

 

Second, being in the younger demographic, I can assure you that there were people who voted for Obama because of that historical significance. Just like there were people who voted against him solely based on that, there were a great many more who voted for him not because of what he represented, but because of the melanin in his skin, especially in the under-40 demographics. Again, you're fooling yourself if you don't think this happened.

 

I agree, the Republicans should send their best candidate to the election, and should not focus on color in doing so. However, if the Republicans did run an African-American candidate against Obama, and if the African-American candidate is even remotely qualified, it'd be an automatic victory. First, due to the anti-Obama dissent in the country right now. Second, it would cut into the Democratic stranglehold of the black voter base (currently at 92% of votes cast).

 

However, just coincidentally, I believe the Republicans' best candidate is Bobby Jindal, a minority.

Edited November 4, 2010 by UVAObserver

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I'm not arguing that his vast differences from what we've had and what we've been used to didn't help him. It did. We all wanted change, right? Some of us wanted it in a major way, while others of us wanted something similar but tweaked differently. Those were our two options.

 

I can't speak for why others voted for Obama, his race had nothing to do with my decision. So we'll just leave it at that.

 

I don't think "any republican minority" would be an automatic win. I think any Republican at this point would have a hell of a shot. But bad ideas come in all colors, genders, and regions. I think a republican minority would appeal more, just like Obama did, to a great majority of minorities (interesting quip) but your candidate, no matter who he (or she) is, will have to convince me that they can get things done. With your new staunch control of congress, you shouldn't have a problem doing so.

 

I'm a liberal at heart but really I just want to see progress and Obama's attempts have been met hard with direct opposition (sometimes fairly, sometimes something I really wanted got shot down, thats life). Whoever runs, I just hope everyone votes for the right reasons - because they feel their candidate can do whats best for all of us.

 

That being said, stay away from Sarah Palin.

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However, just coincidentally, I believe the Republicans' best candidate is Bobby Jindal, a minority.

 

My thoughts exactly UVAO--was going to post his name after reading the current posts, but ya beat me!!

 

 

Life has many choices---eternity two

[bucfan64 309]

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that kinda paraphrases the discussion in the posts above.

 

IT READ:

 

"In 2008 we voted to prove that we weren't racist.

 

In 2012 we need to vote to prove that we aren't idiots!"

 

 

Were Americans idiots for electing B. Obama? Of course not! People just were not aware of his philosophical views towards economics, culture and politics. The only ones that can be blamed for making an uninformed decision is those who voted without knowing these things. Which sadly enough, is the case with an overwhelming majority of voters in America.

 

Let's face the facts people do not make informed decisions when they vote, they know little if anything about their candidate except for the fact that he has an ® OR A (D) beside their name.

 

The President told it like it was when he was first elected, "Elections have consequences..." The American people are finally realizing that, at least for the time being.

 

(For the record) I have never, ever thought that the Presidents race made him more or less qualified for the position, I just disagree with his Keynesian/Marxist philosophies. I personally would love to see Lt. Col. Allen West, now Congressman West, run for president in 2012, he too is African American)

Edited November 4, 2010 by bucfan64

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I'm not arguing that his vast differences from what we've had and what we've been used to didn't help him. It did. We all wanted change, right? Some of us wanted it in a major way, while others of us wanted something similar but tweaked differently. Those were our two options.

 

I can't speak for why others voted for Obama, his race had nothing to do with my decision. So we'll just leave it at that.

 

I don't think "any republican minority" would be an automatic win. I think any Republican at this point would have a hell of a shot. But bad ideas come in all colors, genders, and regions. I think a republican minority would appeal more, just like Obama did, to a great majority of minorities (interesting quip) but your candidate, no matter who he (or she) is, will have to convince me that they can get things done. With your new staunch control of congress, you shouldn't have a problem doing so.

 

I'm a liberal at heart but really I just want to see progress and Obama's attempts have been met hard with direct opposition (sometimes fairly, sometimes something I really wanted got shot down, thats life). Whoever runs, I just hope everyone votes for the right reasons - because they feel their candidate can do whats best for all of us.

 

That being said, stay away from Sarah Palin.

 

I must agree, bad ideas come in so many different media, including color, gender, etc. Just look at the A. Sharpton/J. Jackson combination, or Nancy Grace and Sarah Palin. However, you and I are cut from a different mold than most, I believe. Though you are liberal by nature and me conservative, we arrive at our end results by mostly the same processes and deduction. So many people out there, however, don't, and it's frustrating. So many people choose ideas and candidates to believe in simply because they're "in" and "cool".

 

I would never claim that you'd take race into account when voting for Obama, as I know I sure didn't. If people in their heart believed that Obama would be right for this nation, I cannot fault them for voting that way. However, I just have grave doubts that many people voted for Obama in accordance with the last sentence of the last paragraph (of which color played a significant role). Is it great to have an African-American president? All things being equal, absolutely! Should we take his color into account for voting, for good motives or bad? Absolutely not! And that, I believe, we can agree on.

 

Stay away from Palin: GOT IT. Probably McCain's biggest mistake. And any future Republican's greatest mistake if they choose to yoke themselves to her.

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(For the record) I have never, ever thought that the Presidents race made him more or less qualified for the position, I just disagree with his Keynesian/Marxist philosophies. I personally would love to see Lt. Col. Allen West, now Congressman West, run for president in 2012, he too is African American)

 

Keynesian economics drives me up a wall. And you'd be floored at just how many people believe that it's a viable system...

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Stay away from Palin: GOT IT. Probably McCain's biggest mistake. And any future Republican's greatest mistake if they choose to yoke themselves to her.

 

 

I agree 2000 percent. I was actually on the McCain bandwagon for a long time until Sarah Palin came around. He was easily my favorite out of the Republican bullpen. It wasn't just Palin that did me in however, McCain hurt himself in his debates with Obama. He came off as grouchy, intolerable, smug, and irritable. I couldnt' stand it. I can't help but think it was his frustration from being stuck with Palin. It was almost like he knew he was on a sinking ship and just yelled "FK IT" all the way down.

 

He regained my respect again with his conceding speech after the election. It was almost like he was glad his nightmare was finally over. It was finally his chance to run for President and his own party screwed him. McCain vs Kerry in 04, I vote for McCain, without a doubt. Four years later I'm thinking I'll get McCainy in the Hizzy and they stuck him with..her.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, I didn't vote for Obama to vote against McCain. I was an Obama man since well before he even campaigned for the nomination. But I like to find the good in both candidates - the hate mongoring that goes on in campaigns and the trash that gets dug up makes me nauseas. If I can find positives in both, then I'm not as sore when my candidate doesn't win. I find it important to support the President no matter who it is, for as long as you can, until it becomes so intolerable that you want makeout with a sack full of rattlesnakes(see Bush Jr.).

 

Sure, Obama had the Kennedy thing going for him. Young, cool, and confident. But on top of that, I have a lot of liberal values that Obama shared and held high himself. Did I think he was the President that would change the world? No. But I sure as hell hoped so.

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I love how dems. try to tell conservatives who they should run. This is how we ended up with Paw Paw McCain in the first place. It's time to run folks who are true conservatives, and if we lose then so be it. No more socialist lite. For the record I'm supporting a Jim Traficant/Zell Miller ticket for the democrats in 2012!!!