BHS03 99 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 My opinion is that it won't be very successful. http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201108050800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 No, not desperate...just trying to get theirs, too. In this day and age, if you can make a buck, go for it. And the only reason you don't think it will be successful is because your blue and gold glasses are blurring your vision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 No, it's because I think most retail owners simply purchase their merchandise based on supply/demand. In tough economic times, they aren't going to order tons of merchandise and tie up their inventory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 But if there is no supply but a good demand...everyone loses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 But if there is no supply but a good demand...everyone loses... I would think that most retailers have a pretty good idea of what is in demand already. And do you really think that leaving cards behind is going to motivate a store to order enough merchandise to appease Marshall University? If a store does order stuff in and then it don't sell then Marshall just loses more credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 On another note, this is the same school that missed the Conference USA media day because they scheduled a connecting flight on the day of the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Yeah, how awful of Marshall to want more notoriety for its athletics program. How dare they?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Yeah, how awful of Marshall to want more notoriety for its athletics program. How dare they?! How is that notoriety? You don't get notoriety by begging businesses to buy your product. You gain notoriety and build a brand by results on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 How is that notoriety? You don't get notoriety by begging businesses to buy your product. You gain notoriety and build a brand by results on the field. Marshall did that...before your time I guess. However, they were one of the best programs in the country...albeit, at the D1-AA level...but at least everyone knew who Marshall was. It is sad that businesses in WV don't carry "the other school's" jerseys and t-shirts... I take that back, not sad...pathetic is more like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Marshall did that...before your time I guess. However, they were one of the best programs in the country...albeit, at the D1-AA level...but at least everyone knew who Marshall was. It is sad that businesses in WV don't carry "the other school's" jerseys and t-shirts... I take that back, not sad...pathetic is more like it... Yes, WHEN they were 1-AA. Now they are a mediocre team in Conference USA. There is a reason the stores aren't carrying tons of their stuff and that is because 20% or less of fans in WV care about Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 But the way things are now, store owners are in the dark. Fans looking for something Marshall (or any school X) will look around instead of asking the store if they can get such-and-such. The owners have no clue if stuff will sell if no one asks. AND with liscensing agreements the way they are now, it's easy for the owners to get diff. things instead of just caps & tees... keychains, coasters, etc. , which make great b'day presents or stocking stuffers. If the owners know the interest is there, they'll bring stuff it... otherwise, it's a crap-shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 A few quick points: #1) Yes, this is a little odd. But it isn't "desperate." I heard about this several days ago and also noted was that several schools across the country (and yes, schools that you've heard of before and wouldn't expect) have done this. I am trying to find the link to post so you can verify this claim and I'll look until I find it. Leaving behind a card isn't "begging" a store to stock their store with Herd items either. It's a small gesture that merely shows interest. #2) You act like business owners wouldn't listen to a demand, assuming that they got overwhelming support by Marshall fans who would like to give them business. I know that if I were a WV business owner and there was a considerable amount of interest then I'd at least look into it. If business owners don't listen to the people who want more Marshall gear in their stores then it's not probably not going make a real difference. There are plenty of places for Herd fans to buy Herd products and there always will be. If stores choose not to stock Marshall gear then patrons who want to buy Marshall gear will simply make purchases at places who accommodate their interests. #3) One reason for the lack of Marshall merchandise sales is the fact that Marshall fans simply wouldn't buy it because Nike wouldn't even make the right "green." Marshall's official school color is Kelly Green and although all sports teams wore it (see below), it wasn't until 2 months ago that Nike unveiled its new Kelly Green line to the general public. Marshall's contract with Nike was set to expire this summer and the Marshall AD gave Nike the ultimatum to make Kelly Green or lose any type of future contract. Long story short, Marshall contacted Under Armour and had all but signed the dotted line on that contract until Nike finally came around. So, if Nike sees it as halfway beneficial enough to restructure their green for Little Ol' Marshall then I'd say the cost/benefit to them was fairly positive. Point being, no one liked the dark green that didn't even match anything Marshall so fans refused to buy it. Marshall fans are much more accepting of new Kelly Green items and it has already shown in summer sales and will continue into football season. I know for a fact that my family and friends will be purchasing the new gear, and we are some of the same who refused to buy one piece of the old hunter green clothing. Marshall's football uniforms: Marshall's basketball uniforms: Doc Holliday wearing the old Nike polo that nobody liked: Doc Holliday wearing the new Nike polo that everyone loves: #4) "20% or less of WV cares about Marshall" because more than 40% have never stepped foot onto a college campus and 20% went to smaller schools in WV (i.e. Concord, WV State, Bluefield State, etc.) and have no legitimate reason to support WVU other than the fact that "they live there." Now, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that at all, but you and all your other WVU "fans" are naive if you think that more than half of your current fan base owned a WVU jersey before the names Pat White and/or Steve Slaton were uttered about the state. I know TONS of people who were VT football fans and/or UNC/Duke basketball fans before 2005 or whenever it was WVU was actually mentioned on national television. Then ironically, because they "lived in WV" and "were West Virginians" they were automatic WVU fans by default. I tread lightly when I say this, but in regards to fan support, analogically, Marshall is UVA of West Virginia. UVAObserver knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's probably the one who can relate to this paragraph. 95% of their fanbase has a direct tie to the university and it shows. I'd rather have a smaller fanbase and support any day rather than being associated with some of the jokers that claim to be WVU fans by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 On another note, this is the same school that missed the Conference USA media day because they scheduled a connecting flight on the day of the conference. Rumor has it that Doc Holliday and Vinny Curry were trying to catch a one way flight to Memphis from Charleston and they wanted to stay at the casino/dog tracks the night before so they wouldn't have to drive. Turned out the rooms were booked by coaches from another school and they had to change all their plans. Thus, their missing Media Day. Unacceptable really. I recommend Marshall just drop all their sports programs because they can't even schedule. I hope they can find their way to Morgantown next month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I tread lightly when I say this, but in regards to fan support, analogically, Marshall is UVA of West Virginia. UVAObserver knows exactly what I'm talking about and he's probably the one who can relate to this paragraph. 95% of their fanbase has a direct tie to the university and it shows. I'd rather have a smaller fanbase and support any day rather than being associated with some of the jokers that claim to be WVU fans by default. That's probably the best analogy I've heard in quite some time. Of course there's room to nitpick, but you absolutely hit the nail on the head. Your last sentence holds much more truth than you'll ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StoneyCalhoun Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Very True. All of it. You hit the nail on the head Hokie07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I guess its official...for this post... Loser: BHS03 Winner: Everyone else that commented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I don't like bandwagon fans anymore than the next person but that is still merchandise being sold. Marshall doesn't have bandwagon fans because they don't win consistently. No one wants to buy Marshall gear. PERIOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 This pretty much sums it up. http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201009060564 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I don't like bandwagon fans anymore than the next person but that is still merchandise being sold. Marshall doesn't have bandwagon fans because they don't win consistently. No one wants to buy Marshall gear. PERIOD. You're wrong. Again. People do want to buy Marshall gear, it just doesn't sell as well as the WVU stuff in WalMart. But I digress... http://www.clc.com/clcweb/publishing.nsf/Content/Second+Quarter+Rankings+2010-2011 Take it for what it's worth, but here are the NCAA merchandise sales and royalties reported October 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010 (the meat of the college football season and bowl selection, Christmas, etc.) and how schools ranked among others in total sales. You can look back at the past several quarters and see that the rankings have fluctuated minimally. I'm skeptical because, after a quick glance, I did not see VT or Ohio State that would presumably have high sales, but it is a decent indicator I suppose. My quick opinion on the rankings show nothing more than bandwagon fans (Texas, Florida, UK, UNC, Penn State, Michigan all being ranked in the Top 10). WVU comes in at #15. Congratulations. The crux of my argument is simple though: Marshall is still in the Top 75 (#67 to be exact). This is the same Marshall University that hasn't "won consistently" since the early 2000s and its also the same university gear that "no one wants to buy." Imagine what a Pat White would do for Marshall? :eek: I'd say that some of those "Mountaineers" who graduated from East Kanawha City Community and Technical College might splurge and purchase a Marshall shirt. You know, they "live closer" to Marshall than WVU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 You're wrong. Again. People do want to buy Marshall gear, it just doesn't sell as well as the WVU stuff in WalMart. But I digress... http://www.clc.com/clcweb/publishing.nsf/Content/Second+Quarter+Rankings+2010-2011 Take it for what it's worth, but here are the NCAA merchandise sales and royalties reported October 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010 (the meat of the college football season and bowl selection, Christmas, etc.) and how schools ranked among others in total sales. You can look back at the past several quarters and see that the rankings have fluctuated minimally. I'm skeptical because, after a quick glance, I did not see VT or Ohio State that would presumably have high sales, but it is a decent indicator I suppose. My quick opinion on the rankings show nothing more than bandwagon fans (Texas, Florida, UK, UNC, Penn State, Michigan all being ranked in the Top 10). WVU comes in at #15. Congratulations. The crux of my argument is simple though: Marshall is still in the Top 75 (#67 to be exact). This is the same Marshall University that hasn't "won consistently" since the early 2000s and its also the same university gear that "no one wants to buy." Imagine what a Pat White would do for Marshall? :eek: I'd say that some of those "Mountaineers" who graduated from East Kanawha City Community and Technical College might splurge and purchase a Marshall shirt. You know, they "live closer" to Marshall than WVU. So according to that report Marshall, Montana State, Delaware, and Idaho outsell WVU and Virginia Tech. YEAAAAAAAAAA RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHHT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 You're wrong. Again. People do want to buy Marshall gear, it just doesn't sell as well as the WVU stuff in WalMart. But I digress... http://www.clc.com/clcweb/publishing.nsf/Content/Second+Quarter+Rankings+2010-2011 Take it for what it's worth, but here are the NCAA merchandise sales and royalties reported October 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010 (the meat of the college football season and bowl selection, Christmas, etc.) and how schools ranked among others in total sales. You can look back at the past several quarters and see that the rankings have fluctuated minimally. I'm skeptical because, after a quick glance, I did not see VT or Ohio State that would presumably have high sales, but it is a decent indicator I suppose. My quick opinion on the rankings show nothing more than bandwagon fans (Texas, Florida, UK, UNC, Penn State, Michigan all being ranked in the Top 10). WVU comes in at #15. Congratulations. The crux of my argument is simple though: Marshall is still in the Top 75 (#67 to be exact). This is the same Marshall University that hasn't "won consistently" since the early 2000s and its also the same university gear that "no one wants to buy." Imagine what a Pat White would do for Marshall? :eek: I'd say that some of those "Mountaineers" who graduated from East Kanawha City Community and Technical College might splurge and purchase a Marshall shirt. You know, they "live closer" to Marshall than WVU. Yeah, I don't think that list is accurate at all. Like you said where the heck is Va Tech? Also how in the hell is Montana State on the list? Come on Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) This pretty much sums it up. http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201009060564 Yes, there is too much blue and yellow in Huntington and on campus. But any blue and yellow around campus is too much, IMO. If you knew anything about Huntington though, you'd know that it is one of the largest cities in West Virginia. Large cities = large populations. Large populations = diverse opinions. Diverse opinions = Marshall, WVU, UK, Ohio State shirts throughout the city sometimes. Not everyone in Huntington, WV went to Marshall. Marshall also has its fair share of commuting students and only attend Marshall because they don't want to leave home/can't afford to go elsewhere, thus not forming a true allegiance to Marshall. Several Marshall fans also have some ill conceived notion that it's alright to root for both WVU and Marshall as long as they aren't playing each other, but that's another story. I actually have several friends at Marshall who want WVU to win all but twice a year. But to end: Why is there so much animosity towards Marshall from WVU fans? It happens in everything, but this thread is a prime example. Marshall is ridiculed by WVU fans because of this promotion but no one else sees anything wrong with it or even cares enough to even form an opinion? Edited August 8, 2011 by hokie07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS03 99 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Yes, there is too much blue and yellow in Huntington and on campus. But any blue and yellow around campus is too much, IMO. If you knew anything about Huntington though, you'd know that it is one of the largest cities in West Virginia. Large cities = large populations. Large populations = diverse opinions. Diverse opinions = Marshall, WVU, UK, Ohio State shirts throughout the city sometimes. Not everyone in Huntington, WV went to Marshall. Marshall also has its fair share of commuting students and only attend Marshall because they don't want to leave home/can't afford to go elsewhere, thus not forming a true allegiance to Marshall. Several Marshall fans also have some ill conceived notion that it's alright to root for both WVU and Marshall as long as they aren't playing each other, but that's another story. I actually have several friends at Marshall who want WVU to win all but twice a year. But to end: Why is there so much animosity towards Marshall from WVU fans? It happens in everything, but this thread is a prime example. Marshall is ridiculed by WVU fans because of this promotion but no one else sees anything wrong with it or even cares enough to even form an opinion? Actually I use to root like hell for Marshall and then several of their fans got big heads and thought because they dominated I-AA that they would come in and do the same in I-A. If they would simply accept their role as little brother then I wouldn't have a problem with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Yeah, I don't think that list is accurate at all. Like you said where the heck is Va Tech? Also how in the hell is Montana State on the list? Come on Man. Like I said, I have my questions too. But it is from the official Collegiate Licensing Company that licenses all NCAA merchandise. Probably the best information you're going to find... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Actually I use to root like hell for Marshall and then several of their fans got big heads and thought because they dominated I-AA that they would come in and do the same in I-A. If they would simply accept their role as little brother then I wouldn't have a problem with them. What's wrong with having two successful schools in one state? "Elitist" attitudes like yours are exactly why I TRULY hate WVU. No one outside of West Virginia even cares about WVU so I don't know where it comes from. Virginia (VT, UVA), North Carolina (UNC, NC State, Duke, etc.), South Carolina (USC, Clemson), Georgia (UGA, GT), Florida (FSU, UF, Miami, etc.) Alabama (Bama, Auburn), you get my drift all have more than one university that excels and no "little brothers." It's attitudes like yours that infiltrate legislature and probably hold this state down more so than it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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