BHS85 10 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Is one of the refs a moderator??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JJBrickface Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I just posted a thread as well and it was either deleted or didn't make it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS85 10 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Nope, I saw it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Your post was removed from this forum because we have the video link on our pay forum...feel free to post the link elsewhere. We will post it on the free board later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHS85 10 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Pay forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Yep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaw 11 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 just to comment on the video - the pile moved across the line - but that doesn't mean anything - you still can't see the ball cross the goal line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 just to comment on the video - the pile moved across the line - but that doesn't mean anything - you still can't see the ball cross the goal line I think that is the only premise that the officials have for not calling it a TD...without seeing the ball break the plane, by rule, the officials can not call it a TD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Here was my post from the VIP board... "I am trying to be as unbiased as I possibly can be, and you know me, I am pretty honest when it comes to things like this (inspite of being accused of cheating in the pick'em last season). The Bluefield o-line moved into the endzone, Cole appears to be at the goalline BUT the ball is not visible on the video. You will see the two side judges both come in and mark the spot short of the goalline and the white hat digging into the pile. The white hat stands up, raises his right hand signalling the end of the game, the officials head towards the locker room and all heck breaks loose. I think the whole key to this call is the lack of visibility of the ball. If the officials did not see the ball cross the goalline, they can not call it a touchdown, even though it would appear that Cole's body has broken the plane of the goalline...they can't make their judgement based on where the player's body is. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverborn 10 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 There are plenty of times the ball is not seen on these type of plays. I can show you another QB sneak in the same game with the same set of officials that the ball was not seen and a TD was awarded. The official has to assume the ball is in player possession unless he sees it loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaw 11 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 they stalled on that call too - until they dug through and found the qb w/ the ball in the endzone - I think had they found cole w/ the ball in the end zone they would have called a TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPF 411 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 There are plenty of times the ball is not seen on these type of plays. I can show you another QB sneak in the same game with the same set of officials that the ball was not seen and a TD was awarded. The official has to assume the ball is in player possession unless he sees it loose. Yes but you can't award a touchdown to the player if he doesn't come out of the pile with the ball. And he did not...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverborn 10 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Gentlemen check the rule book once the ball breaks the plane of the goal line it is a touchdown and the ball is dead. Therefore if there is a fumble in the endzone it is a dead ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPF 411 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 they stalled on that call too - until they dug through and found the qb w/ the ball in the endzone - I think had they found cole w/ the ball in the end zone they would have called a TD I will agree. Judgement call, not coming up with the ball was huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaw 11 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I think we all agree that the ball is dead once it crosses the goal line - however, no one saw it cross the plane - so, even though the ball is officially "dead" it is very much alive on the bottom of the pile - in this case whoever comes up w/ the ball wins the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMoney55 11 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 False. Just in the Wake Forest @ Baylor game the other night, a Wake receiver caught the ball in the end zone, came down with the ball, was hit and fumbled. A Baylor player picked the ball up but by rule, you cannot fumble in the end zone, therefore it was a td for Wake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgs86 10 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 False. Just in the Wake Forest @ Baylor game the other night, a Wake receiver caught the ball in the end zone, came down with the ball, was hit and fumbled. A Baylor player picked the ball up but by rule, you cannot fumble in the end zone, therefore it was a td for Wake. actually it could be true.. if they didnt see it cross the plane then how could they say he didnt lose possession before reaching the goal line.. so if someone from graham came up with it then it could be their ball in the endzone.. in those piles there are no rules haha.. also if the umpire was in a better position then he couldve saw it break the plane.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I doubt anyone from any angle could make an honest call one way or another in that mess...Gmen piled up in the middle like that, I'd fake the hand off up the middle and roll out the QB with an option pass flood right...but thats just me lol. Unless you have a big back you could just pound it in with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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