Pat White

[hokie07 11]

You love to throw a knock down WVU's way or throw some crap anytime we post a WVU thread, now your a supporter? Thanks.

 

Hahaha, not at all. I think Pat White is one of the greatest athletes that the state of West Virginia has ever seen, I just think it's a little early to induct him into the NFL Hall of Fame like a lot of WVU fans (like yourself) want to do already.

 

All I said in the earlier post was that PW could've moved up a couple rounds in the draft had he shown his versatility and I got accused of being a "doubter". So be it. Look back to the Hokie Basketball thread and see that no one reprimanded wvuraiders for posting something positive about Tech's basketball team, now did they? He's thrown just as much, if not more, negativity towards VT than anyone on the board yet no one burned him at the stake for it. Oh, well.

[hokie07 11]

Throwing lines like, if you could read. That's silly and childish.

 

Making 43 new screen names just to get a point across is silly and childish too. Who did that? You must have hit puberty within the last 9 months! :D

[hokie07 11]

Well if you could accept anything someone has to say that isn't praising WVU and is actually realistic, things would be different. Until then, people will be at odds with you.

 

What he said.

[fieldgeneral 10]

Hahaha, not at all. I think Pat White is one of the greatest athletes that the state of West Virginia has ever seen, I just think it's a little early to induct him into the NFL Hall of Fame like a lot of WVU fans (like yourself) want to do already.

 

All I said in the earlier post was that PW could've moved up a couple rounds in the draft had he shown his versatility and I got accused of being a "doubter". So be it. Look back to the Hokie Basketball thread and see that no one reprimanded wvuraiders for posting something positive about Tech's basketball team, now did they? He's thrown just as much, if not more, negativity towards VT than anyone on the board yet no one burned him at the stake for it. Oh, well.

 

I agree that PW is one of the greatest if not the greatest athlete at WVU. I've never pushed him into the hall of fame. That you made up and are being silly. I just think he has a shot at QB, never said he would be a starter tomorrow. I've simply said he put some of his critics at hush with his performance on Saturday. Look, I know he has a long road to be an NFL QB, but also seeing the type of player he is, he has the drive and determination and willingness to learn to do it. All I was saying is that he proved himself worthy of a shot and he will get it. He also has the combine to go and he can still rise his stock there. None of us here are NFL draft experts, but I know what I know about Pat White and what I've seen for the past few years and you apparently have seen him play some and are quoting these draft experts. Both are fine, only time will tell.

 

wvuraiders doesn't throw anything unless it's true. He has given positive comments to Tech frequently. There is another person that posts here and claims to know what all people have posted so we can ask him. Nevertheless, it's funny how some of you get so touchy over someone disagreeing with you and may jokingly call you an expert or whatever and you comeback with , "if you could read." That's stupid, we all know he can read. In fact his level of education could very well be higher than yours. But none of that matters.

Edited January 27, 2009 by fieldgeneral

[fieldgeneral 10]

Making 43 new screen names just to get a point across is silly and childish too. Who did that? You must have hit puberty within the last 9 months! :D

 

And the only reason was because certain people with the "power" were immature with the pink lettering and the silly comments. Hey I just played along to show the others on the board how those in power acted. It seems that it worked. Ever since the board changed, it's been ran wonderfully. However, maybe some of these mods should have their birth certificate checked. At least a ripe age of 25 would help. It's like talking to a woman, always bringing up old crap. lol. I'm sure your interested in the puberty age of boys. That's just sick sir.

[fieldgeneral 10]

Well if you could accept anything someone has to say that isn't praising WVU and is actually realistic, things would be different. Until then, people will be at odds with you.

 

Hey, I'm a fan. I'm realistic, but I feel that I know my team inside and out. As most fans, I'm optimistic about my team and will defend them as I see fit. Find me something that I've said that isn't realistic about WVU that isn't an opinion that you can prove otherwise. I can accept anything people may say, it doesn't mean I have to agree. Just simply saying that I can accept them being said and if true so be it, but most of the post I go against or show the other side are opinionated posts. I've not been proved otherwise...so....

Edited January 27, 2009 by fieldgeneral

[GetMoney55 11]

I can accept anything people may say, it doesn't mean I have to agree.

 

 

 

Best post of the day, because of its sheer irony.

[fieldgeneral 10]

I'm done lowering myself to your level. I'll discuss or argue all you want, but if you want to try to tell people they are unable to read or bringing up old stupid things that were silly on all accounts, then have fun with it. I'll argue, discuss, prove my point, or whatever, but maybe I'll act like a moderator and ignore the stupidity of some of your posts. Then again, you have the title.......so......

[fieldgeneral 10]

I can accept it being said, but just because of the sports experts say so, doesn't mean that it is true or correct. Most of the things posted are opinions. We are all entitle to them and that is really the point of discussion type boards.

 

Take money money take money money

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I apologize i missed the quotes and you are right about that.....

 

wvuraiders doesn't throw anything unless it's true... Nevertheless, it's funny how some of you get so touchy over someone disagreeing with you and may jokingly call you an expert or whatever and you comeback with , "if you could read." That's stupid, we all know he can read. In fact his level of education could very well be higher than yours. But none of that matters.

 

If he admits he is wrong, doesnt take offense to what Hokie said why do you?

 

You said it yourself he doesnt say or "throw" anything unless its true. I find it funny you complain about a hokie07 talking about a reading problem then you classify him as a homosexual and quite possibly a pedofile.

 

I'm sure your interested in the puberty age of boys. That's just sick sir.

 

So lets just cut down to the chase, either you have to go overboard and react to anything WVU neutral or negative, or you like to stir the pot. And if you say you have an opinion, and you are posting it, well you bash Hokie07 and Getmoney for theirs so obviously you dont value the importance of an opinion too well.

Edited January 27, 2009 by BEAVERTAIL

[hokie07 11]

And the only reason was because certain people with the "power" were immature with the pink lettering and the silly comments. Hey I just played along to show the others on the board how those in power acted. It seems that it worked. Ever since the board changed, it's been ran wonderfully. However, maybe some of these mods should have their birth certificate checked. At least a ripe age of 25 would help. It's like talking to a woman, always bringing up old crap. lol. I'm sure your interested in the puberty age of boys. That's just sick sir.

 

Actually, you got on a lot of other people's nerves who weren't moderators on this forum and there were private messages that proved that. You kept coming back so some moderators decided that they might have a little fun at your expense. I can assure that every moderator on this site is of legal age and his held to the same legal standards that you are. Don't complain about the moderators because, if I remember correctly, GMan even offered you a spot as a moderator to help promote the better environment that you envisioned, but you declined. Kind of hard to make changes when you won't take a part in it isn't it?

 

I don't have the time or desire to sit here and argue with you, so I'm done. If I ever intervene in another WVU thread please just know that what I speak is only of reality and that Pat White will still love you as much as he does right now no matter what I say.

[fieldgeneral 10]

If he admits he is wrong, doesnt take offense to what Hokie said why do you?

 

You said it yourself he doesnt say or "throw" anything unless its true. I find it funny you complain about a hokie07 talking about a reading problem then you classify him as a homosexual and quite possibly a pedofile.

 

 

 

So lets just cut down to the chase, either you are have to go overboard and react to anything WVU nuetral or negative, or you like to stir the pot. And if you say you have an opinion, and you are posting it, well you bash Hokie07 and Getmoney for theirs so obviously you dont value the importance of an opinion to well.

 

Look I'm fine with opinions. Some of you are so thin skinned that you go immediately to the personal remarks, such as , "If you could read." I only made the comment to 07 because he was being silly enough to say I had recently gone through puberty, I was simply curious why he was interested. Hey if you don't agree with me say so. Tell me why and prove your point and move on. If I don't see it your way and rarely do, that's really ok. If we all agreed on everything, this would all be boring. Life would be boring, difference of opinion is fine. Hey how about this , I know WVU isn't the top football or basketball school in the nation, but I will cheer for them and post positive things all the time. When someone tries to dispute them, I will try to show my point. Life will go on. You guys need to get a life and quit worrying about trying to get me to agree with you or whatever. WVURAIDers apparently doesn't care and maybe I shouldn't but I just think it's ridiculuous for him a mod to say if you could read, it's just stupid. So how about this, I'll make my posts and my opinions and you do the same. I'm not going to bash any person for thier opinion, but I may try to prove it wrong or something. I mean that's essentially what we all do, I just have a prob when we go for the stupid personal comments.

[BigBlueAlum 12]

Look I'm fine with opinions. Some of you are so thin skinned that you go immediately to the personal remarks, such as , "If you could read." I only made the comment to 07 because he was being silly enough to say I had recently gone through puberty, I was simply curious why he was interested. Hey if you don't agree with me say so. Tell me why and prove your point and move on. If I don't see it your way and rarely do, that's really ok. If we all agreed on everything, this would all be boring. Life would be boring, difference of opinion is fine. Hey how about this , I know WVU isn't the top football or basketball school in the nation, but I will cheer for them and post positive things all the time. When someone tries to dispute them, I will try to show my point. Life will go on. You guys need to get a life and quit worrying about trying to get me to agree with you or whatever. WVURAIDers apparently doesn't care and maybe I shouldn't but I just think it's ridiculuous for him a mod to say if you could read, it's just stupid. So how about this, I'll make my posts and my opinions and you do the same. I'm not going to bash any person for thier opinion, but I may try to prove it wrong or something. I mean that's essentially what we all do, I just have a prob when we go for the stupid personal comments.

 

 

You say they are "thin skinned", you are still crying about him saying "if you could read".

Boo Hoo.. :rolleyes:

[fieldgeneral 10]

Actually, you got on a lot of other people's nerves who weren't moderators on this forum and there were private messages that proved that. You kept coming back so some moderators decided that they might have a little fun at your expense. I can assure that every moderator on this site is of legal age and his held to the same legal standards that you are. Don't complain about the moderators because, if I remember correctly, GMan even offered you a spot as a moderator to help promote the better environment that you envisioned, but you declined. Kind of hard to make changes when you won't take a part in it isn't it?

 

I don't have the time or desire to sit here and argue with you, so I'm done. If I ever intervene in another WVU thread please just know that what I speak is only of reality and that Pat White will still love you as much as he does right now no matter what I say.

 

funny you are sir. I was never offered moderator status. That was WVURAIDER that was offered when he and some other folks, mostly WVU fans were being harrassed both some folks on this board as I was, but not even to the extent I was. He declined it. GMAN never offered it to me, I probably would have taken it lol. So as far as helping make changes.....didn't have the opportunity. Hey, I think the changes that were made were pretty good. I don't have a beef with the site or it's operators. If I did, I wouldn't come back. I enjoy it and as much as you think I might get mad or whatever, I enjoy the conversations, arguments, and discussions. Although there are some who get bent out of shape, I honestly just put things out there to debate at times and other times simply my opinion. It's cool that we are done with the sillyness and I respect your opinions, but I may disagree or bring up points of discussion no matter how much you think I'm after you.

[fieldgeneral 10]

You say they are "thin skinned", you are still crying about him saying "if you could read".

Boo Hoo.. :rolleyes:

 

Not crying blue just using their stupidity to prove a point. :)

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Anyways, to part from the "stupidity" here is what Todd McShay says...

 

While Pat White is an improved passer and his passing performance versus North Carolina in the Meineke Car Care Bowl was outstanding, he has marginal size and below-average accuracy for pro quarterback prospect. That's why White's chances of earning a living in the NFL as a versatile slot-receiver are substantially greater than if he attempts to make it as a full-time quarterback. The sooner White comes to grips with that reality the better.

 

 

Antwaan Randle-El is the prime example of a college quarterback using the Senior Bowl as a forum to showcase the necessary skills for a position switch in the NFL. Hopefully, White follows in Randle El's footsteps by showcasing for scouts and coaches his skills as a pass-catcher, open-field runner and return specialist during practices this week.

[fieldgeneral 10]

Anyways, to part from the "stupidity" here is what Todd McShay says...

 

and I respect that post. I think pat could excel at that type of position while I also think that he has a shot to play QB one day.

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The thing that will keep him out of the starting QB role is money. Franchises put a lot of money on a QB to try and develop them, and Pat White is a very risky investment with his size, and accuracy. The arm strength is there I believe, average for most starting NFL QBs. He has a lot of improving, but PW can probably do it but it will take too long which leads to more money.But thats just a small part of the equation. Scrambling and running isnt as highly regarded in the NFL, as it doesnt fit into most offenses and reduces longevity. Most teams arent going to go for a QB who cant play for plenty of years, and if they decide to get rid of them get something in return late in the game. PW hasnt shown the ability to shake off big hits, which also hurts him. He performance in the Senior bowl does not help him either, with no blitzes or pressed Wrs to worry about. 4-9 didnt seem like that great of a stat either, but stats can be decieving and I didnt watch. I did watch the practices where he struggled though.

 

I commend PW for trying to be a QB, but it is a dumb mistake. No one wants to invest in a player when they cant see his abilities as the position they want him for. It has to leave questions for the scouts IMO. Im no scout, but thats just what I see.

 

Pat White, drafted by a Pro style offensive team, simply has too much risk in trying to develop him to what the reward might be if he does make it to the starting role.

Edited January 27, 2009 by BEAVERTAIL

[GetMoney55 11]

And the thing about it is, very, very, few people in the NFL are going to be willing to draft a guy who needs so much development. You're supposed to develop tools for the NFL while in college, and while PW did that for a receiver/kick returner, he didn't develop for the position the WVU faithful are hoping he gets. Tail expressed the main issue in money, and no one is going to invest that amount of money on a guy to be developed and molded into a starting, prostyle quarterback while there are plenty of other options out there of guys who have proven themselves as quarterbacks while in college. Sure, if he gets drafted by the Dolphins he may stand a chance at seeing 1-5 snaps a game, but to say he has a shot as a starting quarterback in the NFL, minus about 3 injuries to the other quarterbacks in line, is absurd. And who is to say the Dolphins want a quarterback to run the wildcat? They had plenty of success with Brown taking the snaps and their is no guranteed further success with having a guy who can run and throw a little bit taking the snaps either...although it seems like a reasonable idea.

 

 

Anyway, with all this talk of White's probabilities in the NFL, I stick with what I said a few years ago in that White's future is in professional baseball. While everyone doubts that White can be either a receiver, kick returner, or maybe a quarterback, 2 teams 3 different times have drafted him to be their centerfielder, all while he hasn't caught a baseball in a game since his senior year of high school. Baseball is his future.

[fieldgeneral 10]

The thing that will keep him out of the starting QB role is money. Franchises put a lot of money on a QB to try and develop them, and Pat White is a very risky investment with his size, and accuracy. The arm strength is there I believe, average for most starting NFL QBs. He has a lot of improving, but PW can probably do it but it will take too long which leads to more money.But thats just a small part of the equation. Scrambling and running isnt as highly regarded in the NFL, as it doesnt fit into most offenses and reduces longevity. Most teams arent going to go for a QB who cant play for plenty of years, and if they decide to get rid of them get something in return late in the game. PW hasnt shown the ability to shake off big hits, which also hurts him. He performance in the Senior bowl does not help him either, with no blitzes or pressed Wrs to worry about. 4-9 didnt seem like that great of a stat either, but stats can be decieving and I didnt watch. I did watch the practices where he struggled though.

 

I commend PW for trying to be a QB, but it is a dumb mistake. No one wants to invest in a player when they cant see his abilities as the position they want him for. It has to leave questions for the scouts IMO. Im no scout, but thats just what I see.

 

Pat White, drafted by a Pro style offensive team, simply has too much risk in trying to develop him to what the reward might be if he does make it to the starting role.

 

Mcnabb, Vick, and Young all succeeded in college and came in the league as scrambling QBs. None of which were great passers, but had proven more than White because of their style of offense. I just think you can throw PW in the mix with these athletes and he'll get his chance.

 

White has been doubted as a QB before now. LSU wanted him as a reciever and BAMA wanted him as a DB. WVU coaches weren't impressed with him at first until he settled in and started to tear up the D as the scout team O QB. Apparently one NFL organization went to Morgantown to watch him practice prior to the bowl game and Carolina has set up a meeting with him. Someone will take him in the draft as a QB, if it doesn't work out, I wouldn't be surprised to see him play baseball, but he seems to love the game and may try another position. One thing that you can't train or teach is his will to win. Pat White wins football games. There will be a team that takes a chance on him and it will prove to be profitable for them IMO. Only time will tell.

[GetMoney55 11]

McNabb is a quarterback with the ability to run. White is an athlete with the ability to throw. Mcnabb had proven himself in college enough to be drafted #2 overall and has turned into an all-pro quarterback. The year White is asked to throw more he became less productive. I know, I know, the UNC game he threw for 300 yards..I'll save you the time, general, but that's one game. Mcnabb, Vick and Young came into the league as scrambling quarterbacks, yes, but they were run second, pass first. White is not that.

[jets 10]

The thing that will keep him out of the starting QB role is money. Franchises put a lot of money on a QB to try and develop them, and Pat White is a very risky investment with his size, and accuracy. The arm strength is there I believe, average for most starting NFL QBs. He has a lot of improving, but PW can probably do it but it will take too long which leads to more money.But thats just a small part of the equation. Scrambling and running isnt as highly regarded in the NFL, as it doesnt fit into most offenses and reduces longevity. Most teams arent going to go for a QB who cant play for plenty of years, and if they decide to get rid of them get something in return late in the game. PW hasnt shown the ability to shake off big hits, which also hurts him. He performance in the Senior bowl does not help him either, with no blitzes or pressed Wrs to worry about. 4-9 didnt seem like that great of a stat either, but stats can be decieving and I didnt watch. I did watch the practices where he struggled though.

 

I commend PW for trying to be a QB, but it is a dumb mistake. No one wants to invest in a player when they cant see his abilities as the position they want him for. It has to leave questions for the scouts IMO. Im no scout, but thats just what I see.

 

Pat White, drafted by a Pro style offensive team, simply has too much risk in trying to develop him to what the reward might be if he does make it to the starting role.

 

YOU SAID

with no blitzes or pressed Wrs to worry about. 4-9 didnt seem like that great of a stat either, but stats can be decieving and I didnt watch. I did watch the practices where he struggled though. .....SO YOU DIDNT WATCH THE GAME.

there were 3 dead in the hands drops and a fourth that was catchable. he was by far not only the best QB. but also the best player on the field that day

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YOU SAID

with no blitzes or pressed Wrs to worry about. 4-9 didnt seem like that great of a stat either, but stats can be decieving and I didnt watch. I did watch the practices where he struggled though. .....SO YOU DIDNT WATCH THE GAME.

there were 3 dead in the hands drops and a fourth that was catchable. he was by far not only the best QB. but also the best player on the field that day

 

And thats exactly why I said "stats can be decieving". Thanks for proving my point.

[jets 10]

And thats exactly why I said "stats can be decieving". Thanks for proving my point.

 

yw

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Mcnabb, Vick, and Young all succeeded in college and came in the league as scrambling QBs. None of which were great passers, but had proven more than White because of their style of offense. I just think you can throw PW in the mix with these athletes and he'll get his chance.

 

White has been doubted as a QB before now. LSU wanted him as a reciever and BAMA wanted him as a DB. WVU coaches weren't impressed with him at first until he settled in and started to tear up the D as the scout team O QB. Apparently one NFL organization went to Morgantown to watch him practice prior to the bowl game and Carolina has set up a meeting with him. Someone will take him in the draft as a QB, if it doesn't work out, I wouldn't be surprised to see him play baseball, but he seems to love the game and may try another position. One thing that you can't train or teach is his will to win. Pat White wins football games. There will be a team that takes a chance on him and it will prove to be profitable for them IMO. Only time will tell.

 

But Michael Robison, Antwan Randle El, Major Harris, Micheal Bishop, and Ronald Curry did not succeed in the NFL. It goes both ways primarily because of the nature of the NFL.

 

Speaking of the NFL, most run an offense that is not condusive to what White is able of using his skills to full capacity. Same as why LSU and Bama offered him at different positions, they knew what we knew, he was a great football player but he could not give them what they truly wanted as a QB.

 

And Pat White won't play baseball, he has already said he wouldnt. However, he will have a chance in the NFL, but unless drafted by a spread team or a wildcat offense, you wont see him as a QB.