buzzsawBeaver

I agree it's not a good way of making a point, the reason being it makes it really hard on the city workers who do garbage routes and will have to clean it up, they'll probably leave it anyhow, till the people who are responsible for these rules, who won't be getting their hands dirty, will make them do it. It makes a point but it really punishes the wrong people. A better point could be made by all of these residents simply not paying citations, demanding refunds for the weeks garbage wasn't picked up, and showing up at the next city meeting and being very vocal about it and so on. There's a time for not being civil, eventually, but not when there are more civil answers already at hand. Only my opinion. As for here, I didn't about this till I read it here, not any problems with my garbage in bags only being picked up recently, even yesterday, maybe this is more selective here and there? I don't know, but I do know this, it's a dirty job, I even did it for months when I was very young and just out of the army for the first time, and I tip the garbage men well at christmas and thanksgiving, and some other time during the year I give them each 5 bucks, and say thanks. Maybe that's why my garbage in bags is still being picked up and I didn't even know there was a problem. Regardless, I don't tip for perks, I just do it because it can be a dirty job that is sometimes not appreciated as much as it should be and in my opinion they aren't paid enough for doing it around here anyways..

Do you even know the difference between a "machine gun" and a semi auto rifle? A lot of U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq or A stan aren't even walking around with machine guns in hand. The anti gun crowd would be wise to educate themselves on guns before making arguments against them.

I took it to the computer place beside subway on cumberland today, on advice from beaverbaseball, and they seemed to think they can recover the items rather cheaply and easy enough and perhaps even do something about the computer depending on what's wrong with it. Appreciate it, we'll see how it goes.

I appreciate that ghsfan, if i can't do it simple locally I will contact them.

Thanks for the comments yall, I'll see how it goes. vthokies I don't think I can recall any plans about it but it's been almost 3 years anyhow. So I 'll just have to see who can do something with it.

I guess it's 1 of those situations where my opinion will be based on the computer I had, but I know what you're sayin about all computers being able to fail. I did have many of these photos of a thumb drive but something had happened to it to, just some bad luck but I certainly will be backing them all up if possible. Appreciate the comments and hopefully all's well there with you and yall. appreciate the mention of the sync toy to, sounds good.

I appreciate it, I got to the white text but it didn't go any further than that and just went blank, I guess I'll have to ship it to an apple dealer and just have them get the info off of it, 1,500 $ paperweight as far as I'm concerned. I'll never buy another mac. I thought I might have to take it somewhere to someone who can do something with it, but I'd rather not have to ship it. But I appreciate it much any.

I have a laptop that won't start up and I'm just hoping to get it started up and get all my photos off of it, they're from iraq and obviously not replaceable. It will power up, but won't load.

I'll just say welcome to tyranny. It passed. Government has now taken over health care. I don't recall it ever being government's right to take over anything. So all who supported this type of government, what do you support government taking over of yours, mine, ours next? Do you expect there to be a line? Do you have a line.?

Been trying to refrain from all the bickering, as I've been as guilty or more of over the years, since way back about the windmills, but occasionally. I was just going to mention that the warning signs were there, but most obvious to me was the example of the very chicago area under his political influence.

Ed since no one has answered your post, I'm just telling you I don't think they know the schedule, unless they scheduled some games they haven't told about, they probably still lack a game or maybe 2. I don't know it, I know that.

I appreciate the comment vthokies, but for what it's worth, I'm not in any way attempting to stand out in any of this, but this guy puts the military down time after time with these snide comments, and to be honest I'm not even certain what he's trying to say yet. It's the typical argument that can be expected with a liberal, they don't make any sense. And this guy had the audacity to say he served in the military a month or so ago.

The people in the military are the ones who provide you and everyone else with personal liberty, they do more for it than anyone else, what are you trying to say?

The military doesn't "compromise" a gd thing in this country, it's kept this country safe for decades and even more for the last 8 years. Our military has been the one that has kept large scale peace in check around the globe and on a humanitarian level makes intervention in places like hatti possible. You say if people want a military they should pay for it, we have, and if you want freeedom and safety you have to pay for that by having such a strong military. No one pays a higher cost than the military servicemen and women themselves though. You're consistent bashing of the military is beyond old and offensive, especially to those who really did serve in it.

Div 1a is full of players throughout the years who excel but weren't recruited because they didn't fit the excepted mold, particularly size it seems. Enough of those stories in the nfl even. Most of the times these players worked even harder and stepped up and proved themselves. It's not really a fair mold but it's the system. Lilly in my opinion lacked the size for the typical mold most div 1 schools look for. In my opinion he could benefit from starting at a smaller school and then play div1. Personally in my opinion he could really excel at a strong div2 school, such as appalachian state. That would be a really good fit for him. Their program is obviously top notch at that and not so far from here. But congrats to each of them! They each have lots of potential.

I agree completely frito. I do think a lot of people have their hearts in the right place wanting something to pick this area up though, but sometimes that's difficult to get over and even in rough times some things are better left undone....

re familiarize yourself with this local story of the past "The Varmint of Burke's Garden was the name given to a coyote that terrorized the community of Burke's Garden, Virginia, in 1952. The animal killed over 400 registered sheep and caused damages in excess of $32,000 before being killed" damages from 1 rouge coyote valued at just over $ 30,000 in 1952 translated to 2010 values, I'd say that $10 million the county would get would be very handy to have sitting around when there's a few hundred rouges relocated to the lower areas and farmers realize who to tell to lawyer up, combined with the occasional lawsuits from when some child gets torn up.

"Either way it was an ignorant decision by the Board. We have to seek new industry in this area. The argument for coal is really a mute one considering that coal cannot be replaced as an energy source in the near future" Seek industry that works and actually benefits the area though. There's nothing done about coal, it supplies a huge amount of the nations "needs" and there is lots more. Green energy even if doubled (if it were effective at that) throughout the u.s. still leaves just shy of 90% demand that has to be met by coal or nuclear or hydro. It's factually nothing but a feel good drop in the bucket of what the nation must have, a need that's growing fast at that, to make people feel better about being able to say we're trying......

They do not remove the windmills mrb, there are many abandoned windfarms. If they put them up they'll be there longer than we'll be here. As for everyone who thinks this is such an economic opportunity, do post exactly where this big flow of prosperity actually comes from, and at least guess at some $ amounts, is it yearly, a 1 time payment, ect... Do defend how devaluing a lot of high $ property along east river is a benefit.

Melting ice caps and changing "global" climate are a completely different matter than the impact that can be had on a relatively small area of geography, what is this area the windmill farm would use, 10 miles of sharp ridgeline packed with wildlife. Certainly if you're intending to be credible you can recognize there's nothing common about the different concerns.

It's a spoken word I hear a lot from people of this area time and time again, post all the stats you care to, that doesn't prove that a lot of people don't live here because of scenic beauty. If you have a different opinion so be it..

I agree with that, they won't give up their ideals, they'll just go about them a different, more underhanded way than ever.

Lots of people do live here because of the mountains. That's simply a fact. Some people do leave because of the economy, but a windmill farm isn't going to make a difference. People leave because of the opportunities elsewhere that simply aren't here, and that's not simply a reflection of a tough economy, (the economy is difficult everywhere), but opportunities are always going to be more plentiful elsewhere, regardless of any windfarm or anything else. Evidence of hardships to east river mountain? aside from blasting the sharp ridgeline that east river is to level it off for 60 400 foot structures with a big base, or the huge road up there, as they have had at all windmill sites, for all the oversized heavy equipment and transport of a lot of the windmill parts? How about all the studies that show all the dead raptors and bats around other windfarms? How about the disappearance of wildlife from miles around other sites? The windfarm people say it isn't so, what a surprise, the people with a 100 million $ project to sell say their products don't do any harm. The people of communities who live close to windmills or bought these sells pitches warn people to not only say no to windmills but to say he!! no. The people who live closest to them have problems. What makes anyone think for a second that animals with their much keener senses would ever live close to them, (not that they wouldn't be run off by all the blasting and construction in the first place). How is this not going to harm wildlife? Do you know how many coyotes live on east river mountain? Do you know where they'll relocate to after they're run off east river mountain, if you said to the fields and farmlands of lower tazewell county you'd be right. Of course fortunately tazewell county isn't farm country and people don't make a living with cattle or livestock or that might become a huige problem,,,,oh wait a sec. Fortunately people don't actually have pets or children or that might become a big problem, oh wait a sec... That's correct with your guaranteed "harmless" windfarm comes a guaranteed harmless coyote infestation, compliments of the typical human arrogance that thinks there aren't consequences to messing up nature. How about the much higher number of deer or other animals that are going to be such a increased hazard on 460, worth 12 minimum wage jobs? Correct only 12. but that's me giving them the benefit of the doubt since the windfarm people insisted it would be 12. Don't you think they would say it would be more if it would be more? The fact is a 40 windmill windfarm in wv had only 5 minimum wage jobs. The higher paying local jobs you mention are temporary, mostly with loggers during the construction phase. It's 1 of those factual items with a big asterisk beside it used by the salesmen. The fact is property will be devalued and there's a lot of high $ land along the northern side of east river from bluefield va to tazewell.. 10 million sounds big to individuals, but it's not much for a county over a 20 year period. You suggest 30% is good, would you start a business that was going to be 30% productive, would you invest your $ in any product that was only going to work 30% of the time? Would you buy any product that was going to not work 70 5 of the time? That 30% is only what the windmills turn at best, that's not much energy produced. Again, if you're sincere about the facts, learn what these companies will make from the government for just building the windfarms. And do answer since when did people ever pass up having such opportunities for themselves? Do tell me why they don't put hundreds of windfarms on the coast where they have those consistent strong ocean winds if they really care about productivity? Listen to what communities that have bought this product have to say about it. If Americans haven't learned to heed warnings by now, and I don't know any reason I really should think they have, they never will. It's not all about $s anyhow, some things shouldn't ever be for sell. Windfarms would be selling out. We might think of only ourselves but we're only here a short time, there's been a lot of people call these mountains home before us and a lot more will after us, the mountains have and will be here much longer, they deserve to be preserved as intended. I might not believe in god anymore myself, but it's ironic I never read shortage of the majority that do, for what it's worth, to believe in god would be to believe that the mountains were sculpted by his hands and if so, then the mountains of tazewell co would have been some god's best work, (there's a reason burkes garden is called god's thumbprint). People are supposed to be good stewards of the land, and supposedly $ is the root of all evil, that's what the bible says, I'm right sure of it.. Draw conclusions for yourselves.

The thing about it though is the real profit for these companies from these windfarms is not in their use or actual production, it's what they get from the government for their exploration of alternative sources of green energy. The fact is they probably don't really even have something smaller to throw the people's way like so with these windfarms..

I doubt they could pass cap and trade at this point. Before the health care fight I thought they would, but america put up enough fight about that health care that they might prevent cap and trade.