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Yeah, I tend to think along these lines as well. It's great to see a kid from SWVA get noticed for his talent, and be in a position to choose which school he gets to play football for the next couple of years. And as a VT alum (who also has a father who attended Alabama), I wish Coleman the absolute best at UT. But let's not parse our congratulations too thin, lest we forget about what's really important here: BigO's ego. So everyone, don't worry about Coleman, the work he's put into being a great football player, and the celebration of a local kid turned collegiate athlete. Make sure you individually message BigO letting him know the greatness and the vastness of his recruiting knowledge! You were right, BigO! (Is that what you wanted to hear?)

No no. That's WAYYYY too many steps. All you have to do is: 1.) Buy these 2.) cut off the bottom half of them 3. PROFIT!

Thoughts? And what's going to happen to UCONN, USF, Cincinnati, etc.? http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9000502/catholic-7-schools-keep-big-east-name-new-league-next-season-according-sources The Big East's seven departing Catholic schools are expected to start their own league next season and will keep the Big East Conference name, sources told ESPN's Brett McMurphy, Andy Katz and Dana O'Neil. Joining the Catholic 7 schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova -- in the new "Big East" this fall will be Xavier and Butler, sources said. Creighton has emerged as the favorite to become the 10th team, and would also join next season, according to sources. Xavier and Butler have not formally withdrawn from the Atlantic 10. To exit the A-10 with less than a year's notice would cost each school $2 million, Katz reported. The Catholic 7's exit from the Big East is being expedited by Fox Sports Network. The network initially contacted the seven schools and laid the groundwork for them to leave the Big East with the promise of a lucrative media-rights deal, a source said. Fox Sports Network is expected to announce the addition of the Catholic 7/Big East basketball league Tuesday in New York as part of the network's news conference announcing the addition of Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2 channels. Fox Sports Network's deal with the Catholic 7 is expected to be worth at least $3 million annually per school, sources said. It's unknown how much it will cost the Catholic 7 to keep the Big East name. The departure of the Catholic 7 schools, which would officially begin their new league on July 1, also could mean Notre Dame joins the ACC this summer instead of 2014. Sources said Notre Dame has planned on remaining in the Big East for the 2013-14 academic year as long as the Catholic 7 schools did so. However, if those schools left before then, the Fighting Irish would also look to join the ACC this summer. If unable to join the ACC in 2013-14, the Fighting Irish would consider spending one season in the Catholic 7 league before moving to the ACC in 2014, a source said. It's unknown if the ACC could still add Notre Dame in 2013-14. However, Louisville, which also is leaving the Big East for the ACC, must wait until 2014 because it would disrupt the ACC's football divisions and schedules, a source said. Rutgers also would not leave the Big East for the Big Ten until 2014. Last year, Notre Dame announced it was leaving the Big East to join the ACC in all sports, but football. Big East bylaws require 27 months notice before leaving, but multiple schools have negotiated an earlier exit. In the past two years, 16 schools have left or announced they were leaving the Big East. The loss of the Catholic 7 schools also will impact the value of the media-rights deal with ESPN, a source said. Last week, ESPN retained the Big East's media-rights deal by matching an offer from NBC Sports Network. The Big East's deal is worth $130 million for seven years, including $10 million for the 2013-14 basketball season, sources said. However, if the Catholic 7 schools are not in the Big East in 2013-14, that $10 million amount would be reduced. The remainder of the deal -- $20 million annually from 2014-2020 -- was not dependent on the Catholic 7's membership and would not change, sources said. The Big East's presidents still must vote and approve on the media-rights deal. The Big East's presidents and athletic directors meet Friday beginning at 11 a.m. in Atlanta. It remains unknown which league -- the Catholic 7 or the remaining Big East schools -- would hold its basketball tournament in Madison Square Garden. Once the Catholic 7 split is official, the new league will use a search firm to find a commissioner, a source said. The new league also expects to play 18 league games in its inaugural season. While Butler, Xavier and, most likely, Creighton are expected to join the new Big East this fall, the Catholic 7 schools are also expected to add Dayton and St. Louis in 2014 for a 12-team league. Even though the Big East will have to change conference names this fall, the football league will still remain an automatic qualifying BCS conference in 2013 -- the last year of the BCS -- and its champion will receive a berth to one of the BCS bowls.

And who exactly was the dynamite boomed upon?

But doesn't Brown have a point? He seems confused why a football recruit would choose UVA of all places. Let's compare: 1.) VT wins more games each season these days (no citation needed), 2.) VT has a better graduation rate than UVA (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/newmedia/public/rates/index.html), 3.) VT has more players in the NFL than UVA (http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/v). So no matter what the goal is of a recruit, VT can offer a better option. Is it the best option? Nope. But it's better than UVA. For a football recruit, which, last time I checked, this thread was about. Even if Brown did what you allege, and was actually talking about a recruit, doesn't he seem to have a point?

Whoops, I was typing on my phone, so I wasn't as wordy as I needed to be. In my updated prediction, VT will lose to either Pitt or UNC instead of UVA because: a.) VT is coming off a bye week as you mentioned and b.) history suggests such.

Isn't the whole idea of giving predictions "counting chickens before they hatch"? And it's not like I'm being particularly bold in such a prediction.

Yeah, you're probably right. One of those will be my fourth loss prediction. We'll beat UVA again, whatever that's worth.

We're definitely losing to Alabama, GT after a short week, and Miami after having to travel to Boston the week before. I think we'll also pick up another loss along the way (UVA?!). 8-4 is my prediction.

win.

What Lance meant to say was: NSFW But yeah, that was pretty funny.

Lance. NICK SWISHER!! [/sarcasm]

Here is Brian Phillips' take on the scandal. It comes with the proper amount of outrage. UVAO, I think I better understand what you were initially asking. It would come with the assumption that all of the new American soccer "fans" don't actually love the game itself, but rather the product that the EPL/Champions League/FIFA/UEFA/etc. display. And when viewed through that lens, how will all the new fans react when everything they know about the game is, as Phillips puts it, professional wrestling without the boas? http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8924593/match-fixing-soccer Soccer's New Match-Fixing Scandal How #*%!ed is the beautiful game? By Brian Phillips on February 7, 2013PRINT I am a midlevel Hungarian gangster. You are a Finnish referee. So here's how it works. I get a call from a lieutenant in the syndicate — not from Dan Tan himself, the boss has to be protected, but from a middle man somewhere in Asia. Maybe Singapore, where Dan Tan is based; maybe someplace else. The caller says: We need so-and-so to happen in such-and-such soccer game. So I fly to Helsinki from Budapest and take a train north to Tampere, where you'll be officiating a match in the Ykkönen, the Finnish second division, between FC Ilves and FC Viikingit. We meet. It's not as if I'm lugging a duffel full of cash. The money will be laundered; we have the systems in place. I want you to be comfortable, after all. Right now, Dan Tan's programmers are busy reverse-engineering the safeguards of online betting houses. About $3 billion is wagered on sports every day, most of it on soccer, most of it in Asia. That's a lot of noise on the big exchanges. We can exploit the fluctuations, rig the bets in a way that won't trip the houses' alarms. And there are so many moments in a soccer game that could swing either way. All you have to do is see an Ilves tackle in the box where maybe the Viikingit forward took a dive. It happens all the time. It would happen anyway. So while you're running around the pitch in Finland, the syndicate will have computers placing high-volume max bets on whatever outcome the bosses decided on, using markets in Manila that take bets during games, timing the surges so the security bots don't spot anything suspicious. The exchanges don't care, not really. They get a cut of all the action anyway. The system is stacked so it's gamblers further down the chain who bear all the risks. What's that — you're worried about getting caught? It won't happen. Think about the complexity of our operation. We are organized in Singapore, I flew from Budapest, the match is in Finland, we're wagering in the Philippines using masked computer clusters from Bangkok to Jakarta. Our communications are refracted across so many cell networks and satellites that they're almost impossible to unravel. The money will move electronically, incomprehensibly, through a hundred different nowheres. No legal system was set up to handle this kind of global intricacy. The number of intersecting jurisdictions alone is dizzying. Who's going to spot the crime? Small-town police in Finland? A regulator in Beijing? Each of them will only see one tiny part of it. How would they ever know to talk to each other? Dan Tan has friends in high places; extradition requests can find themselves bogged down in paperwork. Witnesses can disappear. I promise; you'll be safe. Who can prove you didn't see a penalty? We're fine. A nd that's how a sport ends up fucked. This week, Europol, the European Union's criminal-intelligence division, announced that its investigation into match-fixing, codenamed "Operation Veto," had uncovered 680 suspicious games from 2008 to 2011. It's huge news, not because the results are particularly surprising — there's plenty of other evidence, even recent evidence, that match-fixing is rampant in global soccer — but because the sheer extent of the allegations means that we can no longer delude ourselves about what's happening. This is what's happening: Soccer is fucked. Match-fixing is corroding the integrity of the game at every level. It's not just South African friendlies or Korean league games or Chinese "black whistles"; it's not even just the occasional Calciopoli-type scandal that you can explain away by saying "well, Italy is Italy." Operation Veto found suspect World Cup qualifiers, suspect European Championship qualifiers, suspect Champions League games.1 It found 150 suspect matches at the international level, on multiple continents. It found 380 suspect matches in Europe overall. It found a suspect match involving Liverpool that was played at Anfield, arguably the most celebrated club and stadium in England.2 These are tip-of-the-iceberg numbers. The investigation didn't turn up every instance of match-fixing everywhere; they're just talking about the possibilities they've turned up. Concise evidence of what's still hidden: Europol revealed that they'd found $11 million in organized-crime profits. Sound a little low to you? Chris Eaton, the former FIFA security director who now runs the International Centre for Sports Security in Qatar, thinks the actual number is maybe a hundred times that high. So let's say I told you that a major international law-enforcement agency had uncovered a mountain of evidence that indicates the most popular sport in the world was being manipulated by a criminal ring that was profiting to the tune of — conservatively — millions of dollars. On one level, that's good news, isn't it? I mean, it's terrible that it happened, but now that the police know, things can change! We'll see arrests! We'll see books opened! The truth will come to light! At a minimum, FIFA will take strong and immediate steps to make sure this never happens again. Right? Let me answer that question by referring you to the phrase that I hope will be your primary takeaway from this piece. Soccer. Is. Fucked. Europol announced the investigation Monday, leaving everyone with the impression that this was an ongoing operation designed to, you know, stop a criminal, maybe catch a bad guy or something. On Tuesday, multiple journalists reported that Europol is no longer pursuing the investigation. They've turned the information over to the dozens of prosecution services in the dozens of countries involved, which should keep things nice and streamlined. The man at the center of the whole story, the Singaporean mobster Tan Seet Eng, known as Dan Tan, has a warrant out for his arrest, but the Singaporeans won't extradite him and Interpol won't pressure them to do so.3 UEFA and FIFA talk about stamping out corruption, but, and I'll try to be precise here, FIFA rhetoric is to action what a remaindered paperback copy of Pippi in the South Seas is to the Horsehead Nebula. FIFA is eyeballs-deep in its own corruption problems, being run, as it is, by a cabal of 150-year-olds, most of them literally made out of dust, who have every incentive to worry about short-term profit over long-term change. They all have streets named after them, so how could they have a bad conscience? FIFA sees the game as a kind of Rube Goldberg device, or, better, as a crazed Jenga tower, and their job is to keep it standing as long as the money's coming in. Doesn't matter how wobbly it gets. Nobody look at the foundations. Match-fixing driven by gambling fraud should be seen as the biggest problem in soccer, bigger than doping, bigger than diving, bigger than hooliganism. Last week, the Canadian journalist Declan Hill, whose 2010 book The Fix: Soccer and Organized Crime was responsible for waking the first glimmerings of the soccer/fucked problem in the minds of many fans, put the stakes in context for an Interpol conference in Rome: There are five words that if ignored mean that we will lose sport as surely as sport in Asia has been destroyed — leaving our industry, our passion, our gift to the next generation devastated. These, then, are the five words: Dan Tan must be arrested. You can still have sports if players are cheating. You can still have sports if fans are fighting in the parking lot. Those are problems, big problems, but they can be addressed without threatening the basic concept of the game. When the outcomes of matches are being dictated from the outside, though? You no longer have a game at that point. You have something else, a weird simulacrum, pro wrestling without the feather boas. (And, almost as crucially, without the fun.) The essential idea of athletic competition — let's both show up and try to win — is no longer operating. This is why the Black Sox scandal is still the biggest in the history of American sports, and it's also why the NFL, the NBA, MLB, the NHL, and the NCAA are all currently suing to stop New Jersey from legalizing sports betting.4 Preserving the idea that there is a game should be the top priority for every administrator in Zurich. But the corruption simply seems to radiate to higher and higher levels: Hill said earlier this week that the scale of the match-fixing uncovered by Operation Veto suggests that high-ranking team officials, not just players and referees, must be involved. "With that many instances, it seems clear that there is more organization." But Dan Tan has not been arrested. And nothing is about to change. Late last month, a masked assailant threw acid in the face of Sergei Filin, the artistic director of the Bolshoi Ballet. He was walking home through the streets of Moscow when it happened. He lay in the snow for 20 minutes, in what he described as "terrible, unbearable pain," before a security guard spotted him and called an ambulance. A few days ago, he left the hospital and told the media that he knew "in his heart" who was responsible, and that the group behind the attack was trying to force him out so they could seize control of the ballet. I keep thinking about this, and I think about it more the more I read about soccer and organized crime. Obviously gambling fraud isn't the same thing as violent assault, though there's a collateral trail of murders, suicides, and beatings on the margins of the match-fixing ring, just as there's a collateral trail of victims in FIFA's own corruption saga. But part of what's so terrible about both these stories is the way they subvert what's supposed to be best about the milieu they're set in. Art is supposed to be beautiful.5 Sport is supposed to be fair. I mean, we're all cynics now; I know this. We've all seen The Wire. We understand that where illicit behavior is made possible by a system, it will almost certainly occur, because the world is the world. Fine, I guess. But where do we go for consolation from that regular, everyday brokenness? Where do we go to nuture our idea, assuming we're impractical enough to have one, that something better could still be possible? You can turn to religion, I guess; if you're really optimistic, you can turn to politics. If you're like me, you turn to art and sports. And that's the sad part: Precisely because we turn to sports as a solace from the rigged deck of the average Wednesday, sports are incredibly susceptible to exploitation by the same bullies and middle men who shuffled the cards in the first place. You're bummed out that somebody's rigging soccer matches? You think that's unfair? OK, so what do you do when unfairness bums you out? You watch a soccer match! You watch a soccer match because the rules are clear and the action makes sense and it's a chance to see talented people do fine things. So you keep watching, and thus keep guaranteeing paydays for all the people who are working around the clock to ensure that none of that will stay true. I want to believe that there's a degree of consolation that can't be tainted by gangsters — that Dennis Bergkamp at St. James' Park, the beauty of that moment, is a victory over everything the match-fixers represent. But what a fleeting, imperfect victory. And even that might be asking too much. Would FIFA, or Interpol, or Queen Elizabeth, or somebody do more about match-fixing if it were a bigger problem in England?6 How about in the U.S.? What if something really hard to explain happened in the World Cup?7 Maybe we'll find out. But in the meantime, when Champions League matches aren't above suspicion, how are we supposed to trust the outcome of any game we see? How can we avoid getting skeptical when we watch a muffed save or a bad call, whether the skepticism is justified or not? I love this game to smithereens, but at this point — after Calciopoli, after Cremona, after The Fix, after the Bundesliga in 2005, after the Whistle Mafia, after Safa, after the K-League, after China, after Operation Veto — I have no idea how anyone can expect me to have faith in it. Soccer is — you know what? You finish it.

HA! You just explained it by saying: You sat down one day and picked a team. That's literally the definition of a bandwagon fan.

You've significantly overrated two things here: 1.) the tier soccer is on (it's currently right around Tier C) and 2.) the attitude American soccer fans will have toward this whole thing. Soccer is still a very niche sport, and because it's such a niche sport the fans won't care beyond the appropriate and necessary huffiness that will accompany such a scandal. Do college football fans take a serious burn because of Nevin Shapiro? Do baseball fans take a serious burn because of PED use in the 90's? Observer, it seems like you're fishing for a reason to hate soccer and soccer fans. But the obnoxiousness of soccer fans in this country and their incessant need to bandwagon (see: Ryan4VT being a Chelsea "fan") doesn't have any bearing at all on the match fixing scandal, or vise versa.

I don't know how much it affects the American perspective. Outside of Snoop Dogg and LeBron James, the vast, vast majority of soccer fans in this country are the ones who have played in some capacity during their lives and enjoy the game, but who now have better access to watch the best leagues and players in the world. As far as the match fixing itself, I think you would find soccer fans to be appropriately angry about it, but not so much so to lower its popularity in America. Concerning the points you make, it seems as though you have a bigger issue with fans and the game itself than you do a match fixing scandal.

Yeah, I more or less agree. I like some of their writing (Graham Parker, Brian Phillips, Klosterman), but for the most part it's exactly as you describe. And what makes Charles Pierce such a renowned writer? He's completely insufferable. Few things make me as angry as a Charles Pierce column.

It seems like this deer antler spray was the straw that broke the camel's back. Simmons just came out with his first readable article in years: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question He brings up good points here. Why don't the major sports leagues have better drug testing? How was Ray Lewis able to come back from a serious injury in an unreal amount of time? What actually constitutes a "performance enhancer"?

That's a very ornamental frame. Good choice, observer.

Yeah, that's definitely true. Also, I think he said last night that he wasn't gaining a competitive advantage as much as he was keeping up with the sport's trends. I can understand such a statement, but it doesn't make it OK. Talk radio and articles this morning have focused more on the people he callously trampled on to save his own image. That's really the most indefensible part of this mess.

But then again, it also works like this: Someone supports gun control -the right says they hate the Constitution Someone supports a woman's right to choose -the right says they're baby killing monsters. Someone says we need to keep spending : the right says they want this to be a socialist country Someone supports universal health care : The right accuses them of wanting to again make us all socialist Someone opposes prayer in public facilities :the right says they are without morals and bad people Someone supports affirmitive [sic] action : They're called racist. Someone believes marriage can extend beyond only being between a man and a woman : They're called perverts. I've heard it go both ways, Bucfan. That's why sensible people don't consider the black/white, all-or-nothing bloviating that the extremes of each wing spew.

He doped. That part seems obvious, but it's still a significant sports story. Anyone have any thoughts?

OK, but you overlook the fact that he was given the task of changing Malzahn's spread, no huddle, pass-heavy offense into a more "pro-style" (whatever that means), run-first offense. In the SEC. That's not going to translate to success overnight, and that's more or less the timeframe he was given to succeed there. I'm not saying he's going to transform VT's offense into the best in the country, but surely he can get slightly above average results from this team, right? That's all I ask.

Yeah, I like it. From what I've read about him, he seems like he comes highly regarded by coaches and players.

Actually, I found my answer, y'all. Lydia Callis could translate anything.