Tid_Bit 10 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I was told Richlands had three holdbacks on this years team. [/ QUOTE ] Yes we did, soo...? [/quote Exactly the point I have tried to make. It is the parents perogative and no one elses business. Good gosh some of you can make a mountain out of a mole hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Rebels 16 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I'm a eighth grade hold back as we speak and i did it for an extra year to get ready for varsity,, i figure an extra year will help me, I'll be more mature for high school plus i was started a year early in school so actually i could hold back twice but im not.. Just we were looking ahead for the future because im hoping to go play div.1 football someday and i dont want to go into college 17 years old. holding back is the right choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse 10 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I Agree.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaveFan09 50 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 i second that robby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy10 10 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I am a holdback. Mouse is as well. I feel that the extra year helped me mature more in and out of the classroom as well as in athletics. It has allowed me to grow up a little more before I go to college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee 10 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 just wonderin who was the hold backs besides brett claybourne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhsfan88 22 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Gayheart and Simmons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsons 178 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 lots of kids are holdbacks in reality. everyone with birthdays in aug. sep., and oct. and nov., who started a school a year later (and there are a ton of them) are as much holdbacks as anyone else. if you are under the vhsl age limit you are legal. thats all that matters...next issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluekick 11 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Gayheart and Simmons... [/ QUOTE ] But neither of those were held back for sports reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhsfan88 22 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Gayheart and Simmons... [/ QUOTE ] But neither of those were held back for sports reasons. [/ QUOTE ] That is correct. I remember why DJ held back. Why did Gayheart? He was supposed to graduate with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 No, I'd like to stay on the issue for a little while longer... It just doesn't seem fair in reality any school to do this (Grundy and Richlands have been mentioned). I think it has to do with the VHSL age limit in itself. That limit was set up for the kids who are held back for academic reasons or extreme familial reasons (death or debilitatin' illness). However, holdin' a kid back for the sake of sports is abusin' the system. It's flat-out exploitation of a technicality in order to allow some coaches the opportunity to build a better program. This is high school football, ladies and gentlemen: the main goal should be for the betterment of the kids themselves: to build life skills, have fun, workin' together as a team, and playin' the best game in the world. Sure, you want to field the best team you possibly can, and work them as hard as possible to maximize their experiences. However, when you lose sight of that goal, holdin' kids back in order to build some kind of dynasty as an example, it loses the focus on the betterment of the kids, and frankly, it's downright weird and bizarre. I know someone's gonna counter with the comeback that college football basically does the same thing by redshirtin' someone in order to develop them more as football players. That is true, but those people are in college most of the time to play football! (Look at their SAT scores and high school GPAs) They are held back for the purpose for which they are there. (If you take nothin' else from this, focus on that LONG and HARD). It's also not done under the guise of the VHSL age limit. Kids are in high school to get a mandatory education the United States government believes each child should have, and thus, holdin' a kid back to play football does not serve educational purposes, and abuses that nifty VHSL age limit. A question of my own: how many kids from this area go on to play college football? 5% or less, and that's a very liberal estimate. In all reality, if you're a 5'10'', 230 pound offensive lineman, even if you can hit pretty hard, odds are slim to none that you're gonna play football in college, USC, Appalachian State, Tusculum, wherever, when the average offensive lineman in college is 6'2''-6'6'', and goes between 270-310 pounds. Under that example, holdin' a kid back is practically useless. One can say that it matured you as a person and helped you out playin' the game of football. To the first point...DUH! If you stay an extra year, it's pretty hard NOT to mature as a person, and unless you live in a cave, you're gonna mature socially as well. To the second point, if you're in the 95% that will not play collegiate football, you've wasted a year of your life. You could've spent that year in college, at a technical center, inventin' a new casino game, whatever. I bet you all cannot name me ten people who were held back in high school that currently play collegiate football, and when you all bash me for writin' this long message when I should've been sleepin', I challenge you to name me ten. I just think it's wrong to hold kids back for that purpose, and I feel vehemently 'bout it. I can't wait to hear the angry responses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistol4 10 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 That was very well written, UVA... i could not agree more with you. In my eyes, if the reasons are not for a learning disability, it has always been and always will be cheating. If you agree with holdbacks. . . I'll use Cain as an example, or Ahmad.. think if they had been able to play another year and were heldback... kids that are athletically inclined above other players are only hurting themselves by what is technically playing down. But of course, it is not the players... it is the parents who put the thought in their heads, or the coaches for allowing it to happen just my two cents... peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tid_Bit 10 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 [ QUOTE ] That was very well written, UVA... i could not agree more with you. In my eyes, if the reasons are not for a learning disability, it has always been and always will be cheating. If you agree with holdbacks. . . I'll use Cain as an example, or Ahmad.. think if they had been able to play another year and were heldback... kids that are athletically inclined above other players are only hurting themselves by what is technically playing down. But of course, it is not the players... it is the parents who put the thought in their heads, or the coaches for allowing it to happen just my two cents... peace [/ QUOTE ] What do the coaches got to do with it happening. I would bet that(at least in taz co.) not one of our coaches has ever went to a parent and had them hold back a child. That is totally unfounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach 10 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ben Addison was a hold back also, but saw less time. To me, I don't like holding back. If its for academics, go ahead. I know in 8th grade when DJ and Brett held back, they sure helped out our 8th grade team (and basketball team). But I'd rather take me chances on going on in life with what I have, than staying back. Back to Tazewell, was the QB vs. us not it anymore? I remember he was injured, but I don't remember seeing how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH31 2,532 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 in pocahontas if someone gets held back its never for sports reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Rebels 16 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 They suck at football to dont they.. What ever, u all just do what u want in life and us hold backs will do what ever lol its just whatever the person wants in life so shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluekick 11 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Gayheart and Simmons... [/ QUOTE ] But neither of those were held back for sports reasons. [/ QUOTE ] That is correct. I remember why DJ held back. Why did Gayheart? He was supposed to graduate with me. [/ QUOTE ] Grades, as far as I know. I could be wrong, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH31 2,532 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] They suck at football to dont they.. What ever, u all just do what u want in life and us hold backs will do what ever lol its just whatever the person wants in life so shut up. [/ QUOTE ]what was that bout bud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenecknation 17 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 easier to graduate high school at the age of 18 instead of the age of 17. i wish now i had that extra year. cheating or whatever you may call it. i made the grades but a college freshman at 17 is a little much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempestuous46 10 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Gayheart and Simmons... [/ QUOTE ] But neither of those were held back for sports reasons. [/ QUOTE ] That is correct. I remember why DJ held back. Why did Gayheart? He was supposed to graduate with me. [/ QUOTE ] Grades, as far as I know. I could be wrong, though. [/ QUOTE ] I had straight A's in 7th when I held back. The reason I held back was because I would have graduated at 17. Sep. 1 birthday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluekick 11 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Gayheart and Simmons... [/ QUOTE ] But neither of those were held back for sports reasons. [/ QUOTE ] That is correct. I remember why DJ held back. Why did Gayheart? He was supposed to graduate with me. [/ QUOTE ] Grades, as far as I know. I could be wrong, though. [/ QUOTE ] I had straight A's in 7th when I held back. The reason I held back was because I would have graduated at 17. Sep. 1 birthday. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, ok. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 My birthday's October 5th, I graduated when I was 17. It was no big deal to graduate a year early; in fact, quite the contrary. Goin' on to college gave me another year of my life in which I can do somethin' with. I may be able to take a year off work and travel the country in the future. I may be able to retire a year earlier. I may be able to try different career paths out of college with that extra year. I certainly had the grades to move on, look where I am now; I wasn't 'bout to waste it in high school another year. It just doesn't make sense to me if that's the logic for bein' held back. Whatever floats ya boat, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Rebels 16 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Wat ever dude.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Rebels 16 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Holding back was the best thing I've ever done.. an extra year to get built up for the next level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Next level? Please elaborate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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