GetMoney55 11 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 i havent seen anything troublesome come of him talking to Terrelle or Jenkins. The thing is it really isnt like Rod stole recruits. Neither of them were committed and only Jenkins had a "soft verbal" Terrelle hasnt told anybody anything, he just toys with coaches, programs and fans constantly. As of right now, I believe whereever Pryor goes, so will Jenkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JJBrickface Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Rules are rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidbeaver 90 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Calling recruits before you tell the team that you are leaving may not be illegal but that shows what kind of character he has.When Bob Huggins left Kansas State for WVU he did not try to sway them to WVU,he left them alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMoney55 11 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 it does show bad character, but it is Terrelle Pryor. We are talking about aguably the greatest football player to come out of high school since Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Im sure that plenty of coaches would stray away from their "noble character" to get this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vthokies4life 10 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'm still not absolutely convinced that rich rod is behind all this. I wish I knew the whole story. Honestly, it seems like another attempt to make him out to be a terrible guy, but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmitt 10 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Fraud is not a good guy. He's definitely not a guy I want coaching our team. Glad he's gone and I will cheer for the Zero State University once a season now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] I'm still not absolutely convinced that rich rod is behind all this. I wish I knew the whole story. Honestly, it seems like another attempt to make him out to be a terrible guy, but that's just me. [/ QUOTE ] i agree with the last part to an extent. The media is also portraying it the same way, saying that the WVU people are just trying to get at RR for anything they can. Honestly, i wish we could just drop this whole thing until we know something for sure. I have 2 questions about the files... 1. Honestly, whose property was it? I mean if its RR property and such, could he get in trouble for getting rid of it? What would make it WVU's property? 2. What is in the files? The one thing i have heard lately (ive been at snowshoe and havent been able to keep up with it) is that the files contained RR assessments of players. If so what is the complaint about the files? Im not on either side of this story yet, because i think we dont know everything about the situation. This thread really had nothing about specific facts, but if anyone would like to fill me in id be much grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMoney55 11 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 apparently the files contained specific stats on players. Condition, weight lifting, career stats, personal opinions, stuff like that. Im with you though tail. If they were his files then what is the harm in destroying them? I too do not see how they could belong to the university if they were his files to be dealt with. The media is solely putting out there what is given to them. WVU released that they were starting an investigation into all of this so its not that the media is starting their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogeavers 10 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. I don't knkow who took them, but whoever did is a complete idiot and is very selfish. I honestly don't know why a student would steal that exactly and as of now, no one knows who did it. But I seriously wouldn't see why a student would steal those exact files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefieldRocks 14 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] apparently the files contained specific stats on players. Condition, weight lifting, career stats, personal opinions, stuff like that. Im with you though tail. If they were his files then what is the harm in destroying them? I too do not see how they could belong to the university if they were his files to be dealt with. The media is solely putting out there what is given to them. WVU released that they were starting an investigation into all of this so its not that the media is starting their own. [/ QUOTE ] Those had alot more than 40 times, how much they can bench and such. They have everything from what kind of scholarship that person earned to if they did any community service... its alot more than you think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] apparently the files contained specific stats on players. Condition, weight lifting, career stats, personal opinions, stuff like that. Im with you though tail. If they were his files then what is the harm in destroying them? I too do not see how they could belong to the university if they were his files to be dealt with. The media is solely putting out there what is given to them. WVU released that they were starting an investigation into all of this so its not that the media is starting their own. [/ QUOTE ] Those had alot more than 40 times, how much they can bench and such. They have everything from what kind of scholarship that person earned to if they did any community service... its alot more than you think... [/ QUOTE ] i had heard that every coach had copies of these things... which i could easily see as something a coach would do to keep his staff informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefieldRocks 14 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] MORGANTOWN -- In the hours after telling his team he was leaving for the University of Michigan, former West Virginia football Coach Rich Rodriguez called at least two Wolverine recruits from his WVU cell phone, according to records obtained by the Daily Mail through the Freedom of Information Act. In the request for a declaratory judgment filed by WVU's Board of Governors last month, the board asked that Rodriguez submit "full and complete copies of all cell phone records, text message records, phone records, and e-mails for the time period between December 1, 2007, up to and including December 18, 2007." The university suspects Rodriguez contacted recruits for Michigan while still employed at WVU. The NCAA recruiting calendar was also in a quiet and dead period when WVU believes some contact was made. Attorney Thomas Flaherty, hired to represent WVU and the board in the lawsuit, said it was "impossible to say" the documents obtained by the Daily Mail - phone, text message and e-mail records from his final two months - are what the plaintiffs hope to receive from Rodriguez. "It's what the university has, but we don't know what we're going to get from Rodriguez," Flaherty said. If what the Daily Mail acquired from the university is all or part of what Rodriguez submits, the e-mail and text records seem to be of little use. The history of phone calls is potentially more useful. Of the calls made to or from Rodriguez's two WVU phones - one a Blackberry, the other a Cellular One phone - nine were Michigan numbers. The rest are to other locations, and the numbers were blacked out and unidentifiable. Four Michigan calls were to or from Central Michigan coach and former WVU assistant Butch Jones. Two were made to an unknown land line in Ann Arbor, Mich., on the afternoon of Dec. 17. Rodriguez was introduced as Wolverines coach that morning. However, two numbers belong to high school prospects Boubacar Cissoko and Rocko Khoury, and a third is thought to belong to another prospect. All were contacted the night of Dec. 16, the same day Rodriguez announced his plans to resign at WVU. Cissoko is a four-star defensive back who committed to Michigan last February but was wavering after Coach Lloyd Carr announced his resignation and had begun to entertain other offers. Cissoko since has reaffirmed his commitment to Michigan and says he will help in the recruitment of top-rated quarterback Terrelle Pryor. Khoury is a three-star offensive lineman who committed in June. A third number is believed to belong to four-star offensive lineman Dan O'Neill, who committed in March. However, it could not be confirmed since O'Neill changed his number throughout the recruiting process. At 7:42 p.m., about six hours after telling WVU players he was leaving, Rodriguez called an unidentified number in Toledo, Ohio. Rodriguez had met Michigan officials in Toledo a day earlier to discuss the job, and his financial advisor works there, but Michigan also has a commitment from a four-star Toledo tight end, Kevin Koger. The call lasted three minutes before Rodriguez called an unidentified Houston number. That call lasted one minute. Michigan has a commitment from a four-star Houston running back, Sam McGuffie. Rodriguez then called Cissoko in a call that lasted two minutes and took a seven-minute call from an unidentified number, perhaps a person returning a message Rodriguez had left earlier. Then, Rodriguez called Khoury in a one-minute call and the number believed to belong to O'Neill in a four-minute call. A second unidentified incoming call followed and lasted 13 minutes. Rodriguez did not use his WVU cell phones to call Pryor Dec. 16. The records show no call made to a Pennsylvania number that day. Pryor, who said Rodriguez called him that morning to tell him about the move to Michigan, attends Jeanette (Pa.) High. Rodriguez first called Butch Jones on Nov. 24, the day after Central Michigan beat Akron and advanced to the Mid-American Conference championship game. Rodriguez received a call from Jones and the two talked for 17 minutes on Dec. 5. Rodriguez again called Jones and the two had a 24-minute conversation late Dec. 15, the day Rodriguez met Michigan officials in Toledo. He called Jones again and the two had a 17-minute conversation Dec. 17, the day Rodriguez formally was named Michigan coach. Jones was a candidate to replace Rodriguez and had two interviews with WVU officials. A series of interesting phone calls began Dec. 9 when Rodriguez accepted a call from Fayetteville, Ark., at 10:29 p.m. The call lasted nine minutes. The University of Arkansas, located in Fayetteville, hired Bobby Petrino as head coach two days later. Shawn Windsor, a sportswriter for the Detroit Free Press, said Rodriguez told him in an interview that Rodriguez was contacted by Arkansas and declined to speak with the school. On Dec. 15, Rodriguez made seven calls to Peterstown, Monroe County, a place he called 112 times during November and December, often in succession, and also made calls to Boston, Toledo and Phoenix, where his agent works. On Dec. 16, he repeated the cycle with calls to each location. This time, the call to Phoenix lasted 29 minutes. Rodriguez, who said many times while coaching WVU that he did not use e-mail, received just nine, and they were insignificant - a resume from a hopeful graduate assistant, a note from an upset fan, a request to approve a T-shirt design, accommodations for the coaching convention in Anaheim, Calif., and requests for annual leave. He also didn't use text messaging much. He sent only 11, and the service provider does not save the content of the messages. Two were to Butch Jones. The first was Oct. 26, a day before the Chippewas beat Kent State. The second was Nov. 8, two days after Central Michigan beat Western Michigan. The records likely will be at the heart of WVU's effort to make Rodriguez pay the $4 million buyout requirement in his contract. Charleston attorney Sean McGinley, one of Rodriguez's lawyers, on Wednesday sought to move the case from Monongalia County Circuit Court to federal court. "We anticipated they might do this, so it's no surprise at all," said Flaherty, attorney for WVU and its board. "We're perfectly comfortable litigating this in any court." Flaherty and the Board of Governors could challenge the motion and seek to keep the case in circuit court. They have 30 days to decide. However, Flaherty said Rodriguez's basis for asking to move the case is inaccurate. Rodriguez contends federal court is the proper jurisdiction because the two parties resided in different states at the time he was served papers. He says he established Michigan residency by Dec. 29. "He received them personally in his Morgantown home from a Kanawha County deputy sheriff," Flaherty said. Rodriguez now has five more days to respond to the university's legal action and provide WVU with requested items. His response initially was due Friday. [/ QUOTE ] http://dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200801170675 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie07 11 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 The calls to Peterstown were to Fox's Pizza Den, or whatever that pizza place is called in Monroe County. Rumor is Rich Rod really likes that pizza so 112 calls isn't anything special if you like something, right Rocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLU 10 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 And he's a pot head! Hungry monkey ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] MORGANTOWN -- In the hours after telling his team he was leaving for the University of Michigan, former West Virginia football Coach Rich Rodriguez called at least two Wolverine recruits from his WVU cell phone, according to records obtained by the Daily Mail through the Freedom of Information Act. In the request for a declaratory judgment filed by WVU's Board of Governors last month, the board asked that Rodriguez submit "full and complete copies of all cell phone records, text message records, phone records, and e-mails for the time period between December 1, 2007, up to and including December 18, 2007." The university suspects Rodriguez contacted recruits for Michigan while still employed at WVU. The NCAA recruiting calendar was also in a quiet and dead period when WVU believes some contact was made. Attorney Thomas Flaherty, hired to represent WVU and the board in the lawsuit, said it was "impossible to say" the documents obtained by the Daily Mail - phone, text message and e-mail records from his final two months - are what the plaintiffs hope to receive from Rodriguez. "It's what the university has, but we don't know what we're going to get from Rodriguez," Flaherty said. If what the Daily Mail acquired from the university is all or part of what Rodriguez submits, the e-mail and text records seem to be of little use. The history of phone calls is potentially more useful. Of the calls made to or from Rodriguez's two WVU phones - one a Blackberry, the other a Cellular One phone - nine were Michigan numbers. The rest are to other locations, and the numbers were blacked out and unidentifiable. Four Michigan calls were to or from Central Michigan coach and former WVU assistant Butch Jones. Two were made to an unknown land line in Ann Arbor, Mich., on the afternoon of Dec. 17. Rodriguez was introduced as Wolverines coach that morning. However, two numbers belong to high school prospects Boubacar Cissoko and Rocko Khoury, and a third is thought to belong to another prospect. All were contacted the night of Dec. 16, the same day Rodriguez announced his plans to resign at WVU. Cissoko is a four-star defensive back who committed to Michigan last February but was wavering after Coach Lloyd Carr announced his resignation and had begun to entertain other offers. Cissoko since has reaffirmed his commitment to Michigan and says he will help in the recruitment of top-rated quarterback Terrelle Pryor. Khoury is a three-star offensive lineman who committed in June. A third number is believed to belong to four-star offensive lineman Dan O'Neill, who committed in March. However, it could not be confirmed since O'Neill changed his number throughout the recruiting process. At 7:42 p.m., about six hours after telling WVU players he was leaving, Rodriguez called an unidentified number in Toledo, Ohio. Rodriguez had met Michigan officials in Toledo a day earlier to discuss the job, and his financial advisor works there, but Michigan also has a commitment from a four-star Toledo tight end, Kevin Koger. The call lasted three minutes before Rodriguez called an unidentified Houston number. That call lasted one minute. Michigan has a commitment from a four-star Houston running back, Sam McGuffie. Rodriguez then called Cissoko in a call that lasted two minutes and took a seven-minute call from an unidentified number, perhaps a person returning a message Rodriguez had left earlier. Then, Rodriguez called Khoury in a one-minute call and the number believed to belong to O'Neill in a four-minute call. A second unidentified incoming call followed and lasted 13 minutes. Rodriguez did not use his WVU cell phones to call Pryor Dec. 16. The records show no call made to a Pennsylvania number that day. Pryor, who said Rodriguez called him that morning to tell him about the move to Michigan, attends Jeanette (Pa.) High. Rodriguez first called Butch Jones on Nov. 24, the day after Central Michigan beat Akron and advanced to the Mid-American Conference championship game. Rodriguez received a call from Jones and the two talked for 17 minutes on Dec. 5. Rodriguez again called Jones and the two had a 24-minute conversation late Dec. 15, the day Rodriguez met Michigan officials in Toledo. He called Jones again and the two had a 17-minute conversation Dec. 17, the day Rodriguez formally was named Michigan coach. Jones was a candidate to replace Rodriguez and had two interviews with WVU officials. A series of interesting phone calls began Dec. 9 when Rodriguez accepted a call from Fayetteville, Ark., at 10:29 p.m. The call lasted nine minutes. The University of Arkansas, located in Fayetteville, hired Bobby Petrino as head coach two days later. Shawn Windsor, a sportswriter for the Detroit Free Press, said Rodriguez told him in an interview that Rodriguez was contacted by Arkansas and declined to speak with the school. On Dec. 15, Rodriguez made seven calls to Peterstown, Monroe County, a place he called 112 times during November and December, often in succession, and also made calls to Boston, Toledo and Phoenix, where his agent works. On Dec. 16, he repeated the cycle with calls to each location. This time, the call to Phoenix lasted 29 minutes. Rodriguez, who said many times while coaching WVU that he did not use e-mail, received just nine, and they were insignificant - a resume from a hopeful graduate assistant, a note from an upset fan, a request to approve a T-shirt design, accommodations for the coaching convention in Anaheim, Calif., and requests for annual leave. He also didn't use text messaging much. He sent only 11, and the service provider does not save the content of the messages. Two were to Butch Jones. The first was Oct. 26, a day before the Chippewas beat Kent State. The second was Nov. 8, two days after Central Michigan beat Western Michigan. The records likely will be at the heart of WVU's effort to make Rodriguez pay the $4 million buyout requirement in his contract. Charleston attorney Sean McGinley, one of Rodriguez's lawyers, on Wednesday sought to move the case from Monongalia County Circuit Court to federal court. "We anticipated they might do this, so it's no surprise at all," said Flaherty, attorney for WVU and its board. "We're perfectly comfortable litigating this in any court." Flaherty and the Board of Governors could challenge the motion and seek to keep the case in circuit court. They have 30 days to decide. However, Flaherty said Rodriguez's basis for asking to move the case is inaccurate. Rodriguez contends federal court is the proper jurisdiction because the two parties resided in different states at the time he was served papers. He says he established Michigan residency by Dec. 29. "He received them personally in his Morgantown home from a Kanawha County deputy sheriff," Flaherty said. Rodriguez now has five more days to respond to the university's legal action and provide WVU with requested items. His response initially was due Friday. [/ QUOTE ] http://dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/200801170675 [/ QUOTE ] And the Charleston Daily Mail has never written a biased story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JJBrickface Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] WVU has already came out and said that they had recrods of grades and stuff like that. All of that is held in separat files in the office of admission and records. GMAN, there was a lot of other information deleted such as the players physical strength numbers. Basically the new strength and conditioning coach will hav e to start from scratch. Also, files were deleted off of computers. There is something just not right about it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] WVU has already came out and said that they had recrods of grades and stuff like that. All of that is held in separat files in the office of admission and records. GMAN, there was a lot of other information deleted such as the players physical strength numbers. Basically the new strength and conditioning coach will hav e to start from scratch. Also, files were deleted off of computers. There is something just not right about it all. [/ QUOTE ] But HOW do you know RichRod was the one who deleted/destroyed all this info??? You don't. No one knows for sure. It could just as easily been the janitor who saw all these boxes sitting there, thinking it was trash, and tossed them in the dumpster. Until anyone has PROOF of anything, NO ONE SHOULD BE ACCUSING ANYONE. If RichRod tossed the stuff...shame on him. If the school "removed" the stuff...shame on them. If the janitor tossed it out...he was only doing his job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JJBrickface Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] WVU has already came out and said that they had recrods of grades and stuff like that. All of that is held in separat files in the office of admission and records. GMAN, there was a lot of other information deleted such as the players physical strength numbers. Basically the new strength and conditioning coach will hav e to start from scratch. Also, files were deleted off of computers. There is something just not right about it all. [/ QUOTE ] But HOW do you know RichRod was the one who deleted/destroyed all this info??? You don't. No one knows for sure. It could just as easily been the janitor who saw all these boxes sitting there, thinking it was trash, and tossed them in the dumpster. Until anyone has PROOF of anything, NO ONE SHOULD BE ACCUSING ANYONE. If RichRod tossed the stuff...shame on him. If the school "removed" the stuff...shame on them. If the janitor tossed it out...he was only doing his job... [/ QUOTE ] I agree that there hasn't been any real proof yet released. I just don't see why anyone other than Rich Rod or one of his people would be in his office and have access to the files. I'm sure we will all learn a lot more when this goes to the court. Its going to get real ugly, I just wish Rod would pay the $4 million like he agreed to in his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefieldRocks 14 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] But reguardless, he doesnt have the right to destroy that bunch. Reguardless of how many copies their are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] But reguardless, he doesnt have the right to destroy that bunch. Reguardless of how many copies their are... [/ QUOTE ] But how do you know that HE destroyed them??? Any proof??? Other than a biased media report out of Charleston... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidbeaver 90 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] But reguardless, he doesnt have the right to destroy that bunch. Reguardless of how many copies their are... [/ QUOTE ] But how do you know that HE destroyed them??? Any proof??? Other than a biased media report out of Charleston... [/ QUOTE ] The same thing can also be said about the death threats proof??? other than the biased media reports out of ESPN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These files had everything on every player in the program. From grades to attendance to scholarship information. Those are not the property of RR, they are the property of the university. [/ QUOTE ] And you don't think the school itself doesn't have copies of this information???? I guarantee, the schools registrar's office can tell you every red cent every football player receives from any scholarship money and every grade every player has ever made, earned, or was given during his time at WVU. You people are too naive about this whole situation... [/ QUOTE ] But reguardless, he doesnt have the right to destroy that bunch. Reguardless of how many copies their are... [/ QUOTE ] But how do you know that HE destroyed them??? Any proof??? Other than a biased media report out of Charleston... [/ QUOTE ] The same thing can also be said about the death threats proof??? other than the biased media reports out of ESPN... [/ QUOTE ] why would ESPN be biased towards WVU or RR? they have no ties to either party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefieldRocks 14 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Why would ESPN make up stuff like they have unless they have prooof? Let me be the first to tell you, as a 5 year espn suscriber.. that espn is always 50$ wrong in anything they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEAVERTAIL Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Why would ESPN make up stuff like they have unless they have prooof? Let me be the first to tell you, as a 5 year espn suscriber.. that espn is always 50$ wrong in anything they say [/ QUOTE ] you dont understand. He said espn was biased. not right or wrong. but biased. . That means they show favor to one side or another, which they have no reason to because neither has ties to either party. And even though we might not agree with what ESPN analysts have to say, and usually they are right except for the Les Miles situation. unless you have more examples... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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