I'd personally like to thank any obama voters

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

for their share in putting this administration into office. As of a few days ago, as some of yall might know, this administration under the department of homeland security has listed returning war veterans, that less than 1% of the population who love this country enough to put their lives on the line for it, as 1 of the biggest potential threats to u.s. national security. Potential domestic "terrorists" we are, along with pro life believers, gun owners and other believers in conservatives values..

Labeled right wing extremists simply for believing in these things, this administration is using the word terrorists towards American citizens, a word in which they stated as to harsh America's foreign enemies.

So on this tea party day, I'm taking the time to say I appreciate all you all have undone for this country.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

for their share in putting this administration into office. As of a few days ago, as some of yall might know, this administration under the department of homeland security has listed returning war veterans, that less than 1% of the population who love this country enough to put their lives on the line for it, as 1 of the biggest potential threats to u.s. national security. Potential domestic "terrorists" we are, along with pro life believers, gun owners and other believers in conservatives values..

Labeled right wing extremists simply for believing in these things, this administration is using the word terrorists towards American citizens, a word in which they stated as to harsh America's foreign enemies.

So on this tea party day, I'm taking the time to say I appreciate all you all have undone for this country.

 

The above may sound crazy, but it is true.

 

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/24071/

[bucfan64 307]

It is true, the DHS has issued a 9 page document identifying the very people you mentioned above as being potential terrorist. But don't worry some liberal will get on here and say something about Bush and everything will be right in the world again.

 

These folks have ZERO logic when it comes to values and principals.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

I honestly don't think it's a matter of a lack of logic, they are really extremists of the other side themselves and they are sincerely against freedom and the foundations of this country. People who dismissed the concerns of the president's close association with such anti american people, those that he attempted to distance himself from during the campaign such as his former pastor, simply didn't consider that he was a strong follower of these very marxist, very anti american people for a reason. That reason being he believes in those things himself. People have elected a president who absolutely 100% hates freedom and everything that America was founded as.

 

In God we trust, not according to the president, as the president said on his european apology tour, "America is not a christian nation", quote.

Everyone know America was founded as a Christian nation, it's written in every document in the nation, state and locally, but this president feels absolutely 0 obligation to serve the constitutional laws of the u.s.a.. Over 200 some years of being a nation founded under God, and 1 president simply shows up and has the audacity to think he can tread all over that foundation.

Edited April 16, 2009 by buzzsawBeaver

[Rhschamps04 15]

I have noticed over the last few months that the obama supporters have kinda faded off this board could it be that everyone is starting to see they have made a horrible decision we have 3 more years of this before we have a chance to right the wrong that we have done then maybe things will start looking up.

[bluefieldRocks 14]

Faded? I have over 8,000 posts on this website. I haven't gone anywhere sir. I'm an Obama supporter and I'm here to stay.

 

By the way, this is a sports website, why would politics scare them away? yeah right.

[Lance 228]

I have noticed over the last few months that the obama supporters have kinda faded off this board could it be that everyone is starting to see they have made a horrible decision we have 3 more years of this before we have a chance to right the wrong that we have done then maybe things will start looking up.

 

I don't see anything the guy has done wrong...he's making a lot of sweeping changes and that's what I wanted to happen and expected to happen...knew that they wouldn't be popular with a lot of people...the guy has been in office 2 1/2 months...not sure exactly what else more he can do than what he is doing.

 

I think you guys need to chill out and wait a while longer before you start trying to judge the guy...maybe this time next year we might have a small idea as to how it is going...even then its still early on.

 

It took 8+ years to get the country in a wreck, but he's supposed to fix it in 90 days...right.

 

given the same choices i would vote for him again...McCain and Palin was a joke...thank god they were sent home. Obama wouldn't be my first choice for pres but he was the best choice in the situation we were given...i still think Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee would have been the best ticket.

[deuceswild 15]

Not ashamed to have voted for Obama. So far, its still looking like the right decision on my end. I refuse to speak for everyone else. I assume those that oppose Obama are doing it for their own, informed reasons. I won't say you're right or wrong for what you choose to believe, clearly if we all had it right to begin with we would never have to vote, there would be no need for two sides.

 

Like Lance mentioned, he's a new president, not a miracle worker. He has a plan and is making changes, that's all I asked for. We'll see if they were any good when the verdict comes out in the coming months, maybe years.

 

Oh and PS, you're welcome :)

Edited April 16, 2009 by deuceswild

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I don't see anything the guy has done wrong...he's making a lot of sweeping changes and that's what I wanted to happen and expected to happen...knew that they wouldn't be popular with a lot of people...the guy has been in office 2 1/2 months...not sure exactly what else more he can do than what he is doing.

 

I think you guys need to chill out and wait a while longer before you start trying to judge the guy...maybe this time next year we might have a small idea as to how it is going...even then its still early on.

 

It took 8+ years to get the country in a wreck, but he's supposed to fix it in 90 days...right.

 

given the same choices i would vote for him again...McCain and Palin was a joke...thank god they were sent home. Obama wouldn't be my first choice for pres but he was the best choice in the situation we were given...i still think Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee would have been the best ticket.

 

And next year, it'll be, "oh, no one can fix anything in 15 months, give him another year".

And in 2 years, it'll be, "oh, he can't fix things in 27 months, give him another year".

And in 3 years, it'll be, "oh, he can't fix things in 39 months, let him finish out his term"...

 

I don't care if he's just sat his butt down in the Oval Office, a mistake is a mistake. You can't polish poop.

 

And BTW, Ron Paul's about the absolute worst thing that could've happened to this country.

Far worse than Obama could ever dream of being. Thank goodness he's unelectable.

Even his own constituents (and I've met them, conservative and liberal alike) think he's bonkers.

 

And I have a headache which is keeping me up at all hours of the night, so excuse me if I sound very blunt and pointed tonight.

[bluefieldRocks 14]

UVA, what the hell do you expect him to fix in 2 months. Explain to me this?

 

Just because you didnt vote for him doesnt mean you should be able to put him down every chance you get. I think that's bullshit to be honest. You're judging him on 2 months of what he's done, that's B.S. UVA.

 

If it was John McCain doing these things all of you would say exactly what we're saying...give him time right?

 

 

 

 

I'm a little intoxicated at this point in time at 3:10AM, off Southern Comfort. But I mean everything I say

 

If it was McCain in Obamas shoes, all of the Republicans would be saying "give him more time, he's only been in office 2 months"

Edited April 16, 2009 by bluefieldRocks

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UVA, what the hell do you expect him to fix in 2 months. Explain to me this?

 

Just because you didnt vote for him doesnt mean you should be able to put him down every chance you get. I think that's bullshit to be honest. You're judging him on 2 months of what he's done, that's B.S. UVA.

 

If it was John McCain doing these things all of you would say exactly what we're saying...give him time right?

 

 

 

 

I'm a little intoxicated at this point in time at 3:10AM, off Southern Comfort. But I mean everything I say

 

If it was McCain in Obamas shoes, all of the Republicans would be saying "give him more time, he's only been in office 2 months"

 

It's been very nearly 3 months, TBH.

 

I expect for my president not to be led around on the House Speaker's and Senate Majority Leader's choke-collars. I expect for my president to have the foresight not to lobby Congress to pass a fatally-flawed stimulus package down our throats. I expect for my president's first action in office to not be attempting to refund Planned Parenthood. I expect for my president not to pack his cabinet with partisan cronies when he promised the people of this great country he would not do such a thing. I expect for my president to actually keep the lobbyists out when he says he will.

 

But again, I think it was Merle Haggard who sang:

"When a President goes through the White House doors, AND DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE'LL DO,

We'll all be drinking that free Bubble-Up, and eating that Rainbow Stew."

 

And you're sadly misguided if you think the reason I'm hard on Obama is because I didn't vote for him. Of course I didn't vote for him, because his vision for America and mine are on two different wavelengths. Needless to say, I saw the potential for him to fall short on his short-term promises, which he's done with flying colors so far.

 

No, if John McCain was screwing up this badly, I'd be just as mad at him as Obama. Heck, I'd probably be more angry at him for me having put my trust in him, and I'd be that much more angry at myself if the man I voted for did this. I was sure unhappy enough during Bush's 2nd term under the same pretenses.

 

And beware drunk posting...

[Guest JJBrickface]

UVA, what the hell do you expect him to fix in 2 months. Explain to me this?

 

Just because you didnt vote for him doesnt mean you should be able to put him down every chance you get. I think that's bullshit to be honest. You're judging him on 2 months of what he's done, that's B.S. UVA.

 

If it was John McCain doing these things all of you would say exactly what we're saying...give him time right?

 

 

 

 

I'm a little intoxicated at this point in time at 3:10AM, off Southern Comfort. But I mean everything I say

 

If it was McCain in Obamas shoes, all of the Republicans would be saying "give him more time, he's only been in office 2 months"

 

For me its not I expect him to fix anything in 2 months but his policies so far are almost guaranteed to fail. He is being just like George W Bush, SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING. That's not change, its the same old routine.

[Lance 228]

i dont expect much more from the "he doesn't have a birth certificate" crowd....lol.

[bucfan64 307]

I think that in a lot of ways we are failing to see the problem, BOTH PARTIES are to blame for this financial crisis. George W. Bush and his administration spent money like it was going out of style, McCain was right when he said "we came to Washington to change it but instead it changed us."

 

However, what dubya did in 8 years, will pale in comparison if Obama continues this WARP SPEED SPENDING. This is not a Republican/Democrat debate, this issue is about politicians and failed leadership in Washington, until we can put the LEFT/RIGHT debate behind us, we will never be able to actually address the problem.

 

I do not vent and rant against Obama, because I wish that a Republican was in office, I have came to the understanding that both left and right are LEFT.

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I think that in a lot of ways we are failing to see the problem, BOTH PARTIES are to blame for this financial crisis. George W. Bush and his administration spent money like it was going out of style, McCain was right when he said "we came to Washington to change it but instead it changed us."

 

However, what dubya did in 8 years, will pale in comparison if Obama continues this WARP SPEED SPENDING. This is not a Republican/Democrat debate, this issue is about politicians and failed leadership in Washington, until we can put the LEFT/RIGHT debate behind us, we will never be able to actually address the problem.

 

Boy, how right you are.

It's not even about the parties anymore. It's about rotten leadership allowing this to happen.

[nollama 10]

i dont expect much more from the "he doesn't have a birth certificate" crowd....lol.

 

You live in glorious town of abingdon don't you? That says it all right there.

 

It's our little san fransicko right here in southwest virginia. :D

[deuceswild 15]

I think the lot of people who are counting on Obama to bring us doom wouldn't even give him credit if he were to succeed. Its almost not worth discussing. None of you opposing him will ever say, "Well, I didn't vote for him but he's done a fair job" if he turns this country completely around. If he doesn't, you would rather say "I told you so" for your own self efficacy versus wishing the man the best at his job. I didn't vote for Bush but you better believe I was rooting for him to succeed each and every day even if I didn't agree with his plan of actions. I was hoping I was wrong and he was right for the betterment of our country.

[nollama 10]

And i bet rachel maddow is your hero. :D

[bucfan64 307]

I think the lot of people who are counting on Obama to bring us doom wouldn't even give him credit if he were to succeed. Its almost not worth discussing. None of you opposing him will ever say, "Well, I didn't vote for him but he's done a fair job" if he turns this country completely around. If he doesn't, you would rather say "I told you so" for your own self efficacy versus wishing the man the best at his job. I didn't vote for Bush but you better believe I was rooting for him to succeed each and every day even if I didn't agree with his plan of actions. I was hoping I was wrong and he was right for the betterment of our country.

 

Don't get me wrong Deuce, I understand your position. Some folks just like to rag on a guy all the while hoping every minute that he fails. I hope that he does well, but everything that I have been taught about economics tells me that this policy of spend, spend, spend will not work. I disagreed with it when Bush did it and I disagree with it now. Trust me on this one, I once was blind but now I see!

 

I was a dyed in the wool Republican, I supported conservative values, both socially and fiscally, the Bush admin went overboard with their out of control fiscal policies and I SAW THE LIGHT. That was enough to turn me around, I have had to eat some crow because of it, but I would rather follow my gut instead of some allegiance to a political party. Which is precisely what many are doing!

 

later

Edited April 16, 2009 by bucfan64

[deuceswild 15]

Don't get me wrong Deuce, I understand your position. Some folks just like to rag on a guy all the while hoping every minute that he fails. I hope that he does well, but everything that I have been taught about economics tells me that this policy of spend, spend, spend will not work. I disagreed with it when Bush did it and I disagree with it now. Trust me on this one, I once was blind but now I see!

 

I was a dyed in the wool Republican, I supported conservative values, both socially and fiscally, the Bush admin, went overboard with the out of control fiscal policies. That was enough to turn me around, I have had to eat some crow because of it, but I would rather follow my gut instead of some allegiance to a political party. Which is precisely what many are doing!

 

later

 

That was the most informed argument I think I've heard in support of your claim. You have to see, understand, and sympathize with both sides before you can judge the man and his policies and you've done just that. Kudos to you sir.

 

No matter the outcome, lets hope it's good. I would rather have a job and money to spend over dishing out "told you so's" over message boards.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

I think the lot of people who are counting on Obama to bring us doom wouldn't even give him credit if he were to succeed. Its almost not worth discussing. None of you opposing him will ever say, "Well, I didn't vote for him but he's done a fair job" if he turns this country completely around. If he doesn't, you would rather say "I told you so" for your own self efficacy versus wishing the man the best at his job. I didn't vote for Bush but you better believe I was rooting for him to succeed each and every day even if I didn't agree with his plan of actions. I was hoping I was wrong and he was right for the betterment of our country.

 

I didn't vote for this individual, I don't support socialism for the u.s., and I don't care for the anti american ways that come from this administration week after week, I'm certain everyone knows that, that said, exactly what about this topic I posted, read the 1st post if you didn't comprehend it, should I be praising this administration for? This administration just took a big you know what all over the most patriotic people that live in America, so people will have to excuse me for not "praising" them for it, or not. ...

That was what this topic was about.

Is there something they succeeded in with this spit in the face of veterans in your opinion?

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

UVA, what the hell do you expect him to fix in 2 months. Explain to me this?

 

Just because you didnt vote for him doesnt mean you should be able to put him down every chance you get. I think that's bullshit to be honest. You're judging him on 2 months of what he's done, that's B.S. UVA.

 

If it was John McCain doing these things all of you would say exactly what we're saying...give him time right?

 

 

 

 

I'm a little intoxicated at this point in time at 3:10AM, off Southern Comfort. But I mean everything I say

 

If it was McCain in Obamas shoes, all of the Republicans would be saying "give him more time, he's only been in office 2 months"

 

Completely wrong, if my grandmother were president and making these drastic mistakes that are being made, I'd be as 100% against them and just as critical.

It doesn't matter who's ruining America and taking it in the wrong direction, I'm only concerned that it's going in the wrong direction.

It's not a matter of what they haven't done in this amount of time, rome wasn't built in a day, it is however a matter of the things they have done in this short amount of time that are bad for this country and it's foundations....

[bluefieldRocks 14]

I'll call bullcrap. But we will never find out because Obama is our president and some people need to get that into there heads. Hate him all you want, disagree with some things he may do. But he's still our president and it's going to take him time to fix what's broken

 

I'm done with the political talk on this board. But the Republicans are always right, about everything and there is no point in disagreeing

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

UVA, what the hell do you expect him to fix in 2 months. Explain to me this?

 

No one asked him to fix anything in 2 months. But we do ask him to have a plan, something he has failed in my eyes to produce every single time.

 

Tripling the budget, allowing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to write the stimulus package for him, allowing AIG to have the bonuses (when the contracts were signed), hiring numerous lobbyists, hiring numerous people with tax problems, talking to the taliban directly, and allowing corrupt businesses to remain above ground with OUR TAX MONEY as a crutch are all things that he has failed for the future.

 

The above is a reflection of the things he has done, and the above are only off the top of my head, that will affect the future. They wont work to our benefit, and thats why we are mad.

 

But, if we do get mad, we are now considered extremists. Maybe some of you neglected to read the first post, but I ask you to do. If you are pro choice, gun owners, veterans, or you believe in state's rights (as in WV or VA) and disagree with the administration, you are an extremist. For all of you who watched all the rallies, there was zero violence. You cant say that about most demonstrations, mostly liberal ones, and Im sorry but thats usually what comes to mind such as the gay rallies in CA where an old lady was beaten, and where gay rights activists put anti gay supporters on google earth as well as liberals in TN with concealed carry permit holders.

 

But yet we are the extreme ones. Sickens me. This whole goverment sickens me. The goverment is extreme. Our spending is extreme. Its gonna get a whole lot worse in this country and world, and that is also extreme.

Edited April 16, 2009 by BEAVERTAIL

[deuceswild 15]

I didn't vote for this individual, I don't support socialism for the u.s., and I don't care for the anti american ways that come from this administration week after week, I'm certain everyone knows that, that said, exactly what about this topic I posted, read the 1st post if you didn't comprehend it, should I be praising this administration for? This administration just took a big you know what all over the most patriotic people that live in America, so people will have to excuse me for not "praising" them for it, or not. ...

That was what this topic was about.

Is there something they succeeded in with this spit in the face of veterans in your opinion?

 

I guess we just don't see it the same way. Plain and simple.