I'd personally like to thank any obama voters

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It took 8+ years to get the country in a wreck, but he's supposed to fix it in 90 days...right.

 

This whole country would be a whole lot better off if they understood why we are in the economic crisis we are in right now, and that is what I assume you were talking about. It wasnt Bush, Clinton, or the Dems. It was everyone, especially including the mortage lenders and the bankers for accepting faulty mortages. Everyone takes this thing as a shock, when we all should have seen it coming.

[Lance 228]

You live in glorious town of abingdon don't you? That says it all right there.

 

It's our little san fransicko right here in southwest virginia. :D

 

we like to call it "Grundy on the Holston"...thank you.

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No one asked him to fix anything in 2 months. But we do ask him to have a plan, something he has failed in my eyes to produce every single time.

 

Tripling the budget, allowing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to write the stimulus package for him, allowing AIG to have the bonuses (when the contracts were signed), hiring numerous lobbyists, hiring numerous people with tax problems, talking to the taliban directly, and allowing corrupt businesses to remain above ground with OUR TAX MONEY as a crutch are all things that he has failed for the future.

 

The above is a reflection of the things he has done, and the above are only off the top of my head, that will affect the future. They wont work to our benefit, and thats why we are mad.

 

But, if we do get mad, we are now considered extremists. Maybe some of you neglected to read the first post, but I ask you to do. If you are pro choice, gun owners, veterans, or you believe in state's rights (as in WV or VA) and disagree with the administration, you are an extremist. For all of you who watched all the rallies, there was zero violence. You cant say that about most demonstrations, mostly liberal ones, and Im sorry but thats usually what comes to mind such as the gay rallies in CA where an old lady was beaten, and where gay rights activists put anti gay supporters on google earth as well as liberals in TN with concealed carry permit holders.

 

But yet we are the extreme ones. Sickens me. This whole goverment sickens me. The goverment is extreme. Our spending is extreme. Its gonna get a whole lot worse in this country and world, and that is also extreme.

 

Couldn't agree more.

[nollama 10]

we like to call it "Grundy on the Holston"...thank you.

 

Wrong. That would be grungy with a g on the holston. you're welcome.:)

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

I guess we just don't see it the same way. Plain and simple.

 

I guess in your mind then all veterans are the bad guys, that's a disgraceful opinion to have, but so be it. I guess it's better than the protests the vietnam veterans had to endure at the airports when they came home at the least.....

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

I'll call bullcrap. But we will never find out because Obama is our president and some people need to get that into there heads. Hate him all you want, disagree with some things he may do. But he's still our president and it's going to take him time to fix what's broken

 

I'm done with the political talk on this board. But the Republicans are always right, about everything and there is no point in disagreeing

 

and the bigger point is it's going to take America decades to recover from the foundations of America being uprooted by this administration, if it can remain American at all.

[Lance 228]

ok so all of you guys complaining...what is your plan then to fix this mess? What is it that YOU would do that he isn't doing? At least he's doing something and trying to fix it...no matter what choice he makes, someone is going to complain and spout this very same kind of banter...that's just the way it is and its more than expected...it's a given...most of the ones who complain, like i said...are the "he doesn't have a valid birth certificate" crowd...so...what else is new?

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

False attempt to distort the intentions of me posting the topic about the military lawsuit about an unconstitutional president, it was an intriguing lawsuit is all, I posted how many times that nothing would come of the matter?

As for substance, did people not say a big solution would be not spending almost 800 billion $s on what amounts to many left projects? I know for a fact I've advocated reduce taxes considerably so that people have much more $s to spend, that's a common sense way to put $s and investment into the economy.

Over taxing and bringing down the big businesses who create jobs and invest is biting the hand that feeds the u.s. economy.

Reduce the size of government, not increase it even more.

These are solutions and they've been suggested.

 

The other side is what shouldn't have been done, prisoners released from gitmo, negotiations with the taliban and countries such as iran and syria, and more recently cuba, these are communist countries you know. Distancing relationships with Israel and the uk, longstanding allies.

A weak showing of representation throughout europe, apologizing for American arrogance throughout the decades during the hail to europe tour.

The very corrupt and dangerous change of putting responsibility of the census into the governments hands.

Declaring that all illegal immigrants should be granted citizenship.

Taking control over the auto industry, with health care looming.

Social programs.

Putting a halt to production of the military's most advanced weapons and aircraft such as the f22. It is our technology that give the u.s. such a power projecting force and advantage.

Plans to reduce the # of nuclear warheads to 1,500, that # doesn't even arm our nuclear subs.

And as of this week the document that lists basically anyone who doesn't support the democrats as an potential enemy extremist, a move from the playbook of dictatorships worldwide. We can't label enemies as terrorists, but we can use that term for fellow Americans.

who are America's potential enemies according to this administration, aside from returning war veterans, anyone who,

 

* Opposes restrictions on firearms

* Opposes lax immigration

* Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship and the expansion of social programs

* Opposes continuation of free trade agreements

* Opposes same-sex marriage

* Has paranoia of foreign regimes

* Fear of Communist regimes

* Opposes one world government

* Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.

* Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India

 

Did this 1 standout to you maybe?

 

* Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship and the expansion of social programs

 

Aside from the fact that time and time again we see the blatant admission from this administration that they are implementing socialism in the u.s., which so many supporters of this administration are in denial of, it should really scare any red blooded American that the u.s. is presently run by an administration that is so openly declaring warfare on and seeking to put down those with differing political views, those who value the constitution of the u.s..

So anyone who opposes the president is a potential enemy of the u.s..?

What about liberty and freedom, do you honestly see this administration as a supporter of those values?

These aren't my opinions these are the facts and implemented policies of this administration.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

as for these things,

 

* Has paranoia of foreign regimes

* Fear of Communist regimes

* Opposes one world government

* Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.

 

why shouldn't Americans be wary of foreign regimes, opposed to communism, against 1 world government and lastly what u.s. citizen in their right mind wouldn't be concerned about the decline of u.s. stature in the world?

 

Does this not spell out the direction this administration and liberals would prefer to see this country go?

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False attempt to distort the intentions of me posting the topic about the military lawsuit about an unconstitutional president, it was an intriguing lawsuit is all, I posted how many times that nothing would come of the matter?

As for substance, did people not say a big solution would be not spending almost 800 billion $s on what amounts to many left projects? I know for a fact I've advocated reduce taxes considerably so that people have much more $s to spend, that's a common sense way to put $s and investment into the economy.

Over taxing and bringing down the big businesses who create jobs and invest is biting the hand that feeds the u.s. economy.

Reduce the size of government, not increase it even more.

These are solutions and they've been suggested.

 

The other side is what shouldn't have been done, prisoners released from gitmo, negotiations with the taliban and countries such as iran and syria, and more recently cuba, these are communist countries you know. Distancing relationships with Israel and the uk, longstanding allies.

A weak showing of representation throughout europe, apologizing for American arrogance throughout the decades during the hail to europe tour.

The very corrupt and dangerous change of putting responsibility of the census into the governments hands.

Declaring that all illegal immigrants should be granted citizenship.

Taking control over the auto industry, with health care looming.

Social programs.

Putting a halt to production of the military's most advanced weapons and aircraft such as the f22. It is our technology that give the u.s. such a power projecting force and advantage.

Plans to reduce the # of nuclear warheads to 1,500, that # doesn't even arm our nuclear subs.

And as of this week the document that lists basically anyone who doesn't support the democrats as an potential enemy extremist, a move from the playbook of dictatorships worldwide. We can't label enemies as terrorists, but we can use that term for fellow Americans.

who are America's potential enemies according to this administration, aside from returning war veterans, anyone who,

 

* Opposes restrictions on firearms

* Opposes lax immigration

* Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship and the expansion of social programs

* Opposes continuation of free trade agreements

* Opposes same-sex marriage

* Has paranoia of foreign regimes

* Fear of Communist regimes

* Opposes one world government

* Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.

* Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India

 

Did this 1 standout to you maybe?

 

* Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship and the expansion of social programs

 

Aside from the fact that time and time again we see the blatant admission from this administration that they are implementing socialism in the u.s., which so many supporters of this administration are in denial of, it should really scare any red blooded American that the u.s. is presently run by an administration that is so openly declaring warfare on and seeking to put down those with differing political views, those who value the constitution of the u.s..

So anyone who opposes the president is a potential enemy of the u.s..?

What about liberty and freedom, do you honestly see this administration as a supporter of those values?

These aren't my opinions these are the facts and implemented policies of this administration.

 

And we're just 3 months in. Brace yourself...

[bucfan64 307]

ok so all of you guys complaining...what is your plan then to fix this mess? What is it that YOU would do that he isn't doing? At least he's doing something and trying to fix it...no matter what choice he makes, someone is going to complain and spout this very same kind of banter...that's just the way it is and its more than expected...it's a given...most of the ones who complain, like i said...are the "he doesn't have a valid birth certificate" crowd...so...what else is new?

 

Lance,

 

you are misunderstanding our point on the issue, it is our opinion that the President is not necessarily trying to fix the problem but rather using the problem to promote an agenda.

 

Rahm Emanuel and Hilary Clinton both said "can't let a good crisis go to waste..." It appears that this crisis is only the means to which the adminstration is using to impose a progressive agenda.

 

The Progressive agenda is ground in Big Government and Federal control of your life. It isn't that these people are necessarily power hungry, they fundamentally believe that American society is based on collectivism and not individualism. In other words they believe that we should put the state needs above the individual needs of a person. "If it isn't good for the STATE then you can't do it.." This is contrary to the enlightenment philosophy of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in line however with the STATIST philosophy of Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson and Hitler.

 

I'm not saying that the Progressives want to put us in concentration camps, this brand of Fascism is different and more mild than that of Hitler, it does however resemble many of Mussolini's policies and some early Nazi policies.

 

Progressives truly believe that they are brinigng about the evolution of the state. This Darwinian approach leads one to believe that the Constitution is either out dated or that it is a living document. In both views we as INDIVIDUALS LOSE our basic rights granted to us by the Constitution. This idea alone is a threat to American Sovereignty and is enough for me to fear this administration.

 

sorry so long.......

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I guess in your mind then all veterans are the bad guys, that's a disgraceful opinion to have, but so be it. I guess it's better than the protests the vietnam veterans had to endure at the airports when they came home at the least.....

 

My dad was actually in the Vietnam War and my brother was in Desert Storm. And to be quite honest I never said anything about your post. In fact I didn't even read it. My original post said nothing about anything you might have said, just the vibe of the thread in general. Go criticize someone else for their opinions.

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[Lance 228]

Lance,

 

you are misunderstanding our point on the issue, it is our opinion that the President is not necessarily trying to fix the problem but rather using the problem to promote an agenda.

 

Rahm Emanuel and Hilary Clinton both said "can't let a good crisis go to waste..." It appears that this crisis is only the means to which the adminstration is using to impose a progressive agenda.

 

The Progressive agenda is ground in Big Government and Federal control of your life. It isn't that these people are necessarily power hungry, they fundamentally believe that American society is based on collectivism and not individualism. In other words they believe that we should put the state needs above the individual needs of a person. "If it isn't good for the STATE then you can't do it.." This is contrary to the enlightenment philosophy of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in line however with the STATIST philosophy of Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson and Hitler.

 

I'm not saying that the Progressives want to put us in concentration camps, this brand of Fascism is different and more mild than that of Hitler, it does however resemble many of Mussolini's policies and some early Nazi policies.

 

Progressives truly believe that they are brinigng about the evolution of the state. This Darwinian approach leads one to believe that the Constitution is either out dated or that it is a living document. In both views we as INDIVIDUALS LOSE our basic rights granted to us by the Constitution. This idea alone is a threat to American Sovereignty and is enough for me to fear this administration.

 

sorry so long.......

 

 

no, you know me, I'm all for basic rights...lol.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

My dad was actually in the Vietnam War and my brother was in Desert Storm. And to be quite honest I never said anything about your post. In fact I didn't even read it. My original post said nothing about anything you might have said, just the vibe of the thread in general. Go criticize someone else for their opinions.

 

It seems odd that you read the topic to know the vibe of it but didn't read the very 1st post, but if you say so, and that's the case then I sincerely apologize for my 1st response to you.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

Lance,

 

you are misunderstanding our point on the issue, it is our opinion that the President is not necessarily trying to fix the problem but rather using the problem to promote an agenda.

 

Rahm Emanuel and Hilary Clinton both said "can't let a good crisis go to waste..." It appears that this crisis is only the means to which the adminstration is using to impose a progressive agenda.

 

The Progressive agenda is ground in Big Government and Federal control of your life. It isn't that these people are necessarily power hungry, they fundamentally believe that American society is based on collectivism and not individualism. In other words they believe that we should put the state needs above the individual needs of a person. "If it isn't good for the STATE then you can't do it.." This is contrary to the enlightenment philosophy of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in line however with the STATIST philosophy of Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson and Hitler.

 

I'm not saying that the Progressives want to put us in concentration camps, this brand of Fascism is different and more mild than that of Hitler, it does however resemble many of Mussolini's policies and some early Nazi policies.

 

Progressives truly believe that they are brinigng about the evolution of the state. This Darwinian approach leads one to believe that the Constitution is either out dated or that it is a living document. In both views we as INDIVIDUALS LOSE our basic rights granted to us by the Constitution. This idea alone is a threat to American Sovereignty and is enough for me to fear this administration.

 

sorry so long.......

 

well said.

[fieldgeneral 10]

I have noticed over the last few months that the obama supporters have kinda faded off this board could it be that everyone is starting to see they have made a horrible decision we have 3 more years of this before we have a chance to right the wrong that we have done then maybe things will start looking up.

 

I have never "faded." I may have went on a trip and missed some last weekend or not posted much since basketball , but not much has been on here.

 

Anyway, Your welcome to those of you who say thanks to the Obama supporters. Most of you are so hard headed or set in your ways to see that kermit the frog would have been better than the IDIOT that was previously in office. Anyway, Obama has been aggressively trying to right some wrongs and doing what he thinks is right for the country. I voted for him and support him as most of you did with the 8 years that led us into the economic mess that we are in. At least Obama was brave enough to try to take on this challenge and do what he thinks is right. Unfortunatley some here are so far from the MAJORITY of AMERICA, it's not even funny.

 

If he doesn't right some of the wrongs in four years, then we'll see who better is presented to us, but no way McCain and Nailin' Palin would have been successful.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

I have never "faded." I may have went on a trip and missed some last weekend or not posted much since basketball , but not much has been on here.

 

Anyway, Your welcome to those of you who say thanks to the Obama supporters. Most of you are so hard headed or set in your ways to see that kermit the frog would have been better than the IDIOT that was previously in office. Anyway, Obama has been aggressively trying to right some wrongs and doing what he thinks is right for the country. I voted for him and support him as most of you did with the 8 years that led us into the economic mess that we are in. At least Obama was brave enough to try to take on this challenge and do what he thinks is right. Unfortunatley some here are so far from the MAJORITY of AMERICA, it's not even funny.

 

If he doesn't right some of the wrongs in four years, then we'll see who better is presented to us, but no way McCain and Nailin' Palin would have been successful.

 

A lot of Americans who voted for this administration really love freedom and liberty, they really have their hearts in the right place but have been mislead, a lot of these people will realize that this administration is not good for the country and is in fact not what they expected, they'll admit they were wrong.

Then there are people like yourself who no one really expects to ever realize how wrong they are, much less admit it. Even when confronted with fact after fact, such as the documents from this very administration quoted in the post above which use such words as communism and socialism favorably.

I honestly don't know if people like yourself are really this completely ignorant or you just really hate what America was founded as and has been for so long before now. It really doesn't matter, I know such people exist, I and everyone else knows you'll be proudly supporting this administration regardless of what destruction they bring on the country.

[fieldgeneral 10]

A lot of Americans who voted for this administration really love freedom and liberty, they really have their hearts in the right place but have been mislead, a lot of these people will realize that this administration is not good for the country and is in fact not what they expected, they'll admit they were wrong.

Then there are people like yourself who no one really expects to ever realize how wrong they are, much less admit it. Even when confronted with fact after fact, such as the documents from this very administration quoted in the post above which use such words as communism and socialism favorably.

I honestly don't know if people like yourself are really this completely ignorant or you just really hate what America was founded as and has been for so long before now. It really doesn't matter, I know such people exist, I and everyone else knows you'll be proudly supporting this administration regardless of what destruction they bring on the country.

 

How many of those other people including yourself admit that you were wrong for putting that a hole in office for the last 8 years? If he completely crashes and burns, Obama, in his first term, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong.

 

The sad thing is that we gave Bush 8 years, and his administration did not serve this country well. He embarrased his country with the good ole boy antics and diving into a war that was not needed at the time. I know we will never agree on our politics and that is fine. But I take it you voted for Bush based on earlier conversations. A lot of what he has done was not in our best interests, yet maybe he felt it was. I don't know what the hell he was thinking most of the time, or if he had time to call daddy to find out.

 

Not ignorant or hate America, I proudly fly my flag. It's people like you that make those idiotic statements. You talk about what our country was founded on and what they stood for and so on. Well, our country came about with a lot of ideas from many people, some of those ideas weren't popular at first but gained popularity. Some of those people who had those different ideas were outcasted or called tyrants and so forth. Some of those people became leaders. He's been in office less than 4 months. Give it time. I think things will look better in time. If not, I will apologize for my vote!

 

Look, I know you don't agree with most of Obama's decisions to this point and that is your right to voice it, as it is mine or anyone else. I just find it sad, that so many have thrown in the white towel and think he has made our country a mess blah blah blah. All these "tea parties" and so forth. I love to see people take interest in their country. I love to see people SUPPORT our country, but constantly complaining causes division. I'm afraid that politics has taken an even worse turn in that no matter who is in office , the other party and those supporters will complain and lash out. If he were doing everything you'd like, something would be wrong with the dog he chose or the tie he's wearing.

[fieldgeneral 10]

for their share in putting this administration into office. As of a few days ago, as some of yall might know, this administration under the department of homeland security has listed returning war veterans, that less than 1% of the population who love this country enough to put their lives on the line for it, as 1 of the biggest potential threats to u.s. national security. Potential domestic "terrorists" we are, along with pro life believers, gun owners and other believers in conservatives values..

Labeled right wing extremists simply for believing in these things, this administration is using the word terrorists towards American citizens, a word in which they stated as to harsh America's foreign enemies.

So on this tea party day, I'm taking the time to say I appreciate all you all have undone for this country.

 

You are very welcome sir. I think a lot of this hardcore republican opinion on here is just ridicuoulous. Anyway, if Obama doesn't right the ship, I'll come and apologize for my vote, until he has more than 4 months to do that, I'll hold my judgement. Unlike most of you, I'll hold my judgement on you as well. I stand by my country and my president. WE as a country, majority, put him there and I will stand by him. That is all I have to say, I won't be replying, so take it for what it's worth.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

People don't have to withhold judgment on you or liberals for the simple fact that what you and they consider "hardcore republican nonsense" is nothing more than the highest principals and beliefs that this country was founded under, those things that have made America the great country it has been. Our side is what America has been all about all along.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

a letter to an editor in texas I read,

 

"Dear Editor:

My heart is broken by the actions of the government I once served. Due to my status as a veteran and my willingness to read the U.S. Constitution, I am now considered a potential “Right Wing Threat†to the country I‘ve Pledged to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. In addition to this, the charge of racism is insinuated as the reason that Veterans are becoming potential terrorists.

 

This is all pronounced matter of fact by the Department of Homeland Security. I wonder if the good folks at the Department of Homeland Security consider that men and women veterans are the reason they get to stay within the borders of a secure country in air conditioned offices all at tax payer expense? The really troubling thing about this is that it is a part of the U.S. Government decrying that Veterans, especially returning vets from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, are susceptible to being recruited by right wing extremist groups.

 

As a citizen and veteran, I am extremely upset at how a major arm of our government just under-minded the discipline within the ranks of those on active duty now and those “potential terrorists†returned from bleeding and watching their friends and fellow soldiers die on the battle field to protect a group of careless government agencies. I wonder if the director of the Department of Homeland Security is thoughtless enough to go to Walter Reed Army Hospital and lecture wounded and recovering veterans on how evil they are for protecting the United States of America?

 

The director, Senator Janet Napalatono, should resign in disgrace now if not already doing so. Her inability to see the real enemies of our country does her country as well as the people she is leading a disservice. How dare she and this current Presidential administration look down their noses at those who sacrifice the most for this country! As far as those that do not support the overall aims of President Barrak Obama’s hope and change, you will count me as one that openly opposes it. You may find me anywhere. Should you marginalize me for what I am, I will not hide from this callous and cowardly behavior. I understand that I expose myself in making such a public statement. You will have to physically stop me from telling the truth and speaking my mind.John R. Fuller "

[dawgs05 10]

And next year, it'll be, "oh, no one can fix anything in 15 months, give him another year".

And in 2 years, it'll be, "oh, he can't fix things in 27 months, give him another year".

And in 3 years, it'll be, "oh, he can't fix things in 39 months, let him finish out his term"...

 

I don't care if he's just sat his butt down in the Oval Office, a mistake is a mistake. You can't polish poop.

 

And BTW, Ron Paul's about the absolute worst thing that could've happened to this country.

Far worse than Obama could ever dream of being. Thank goodness he's unelectable.

Even his own constituents (and I've met them, conservative and liberal alike) think he's bonkers.

 

And I have a headache which is keeping me up at all hours of the night, so excuse me if I sound very blunt and pointed tonight.

 

 

Obama is probably one of the best things to happen to this country right now.....because he is bringing change.....you may not like it, i may not like and the guy next door may not either but change is exactly what this country needs.....

 

After the mess dumbo....err i mean dubya put us in after eight years.....just think what kind of shape we'd be in after just 4 years of the desperate republican ticket of McCain and Palin.....

 

Had a Democrat been the screwball that Bush was then a republican would've been elected and brought much needed change but no it was a republican who ran our country into the ground and continued to drag it thru the mud......

 

Change....its what we needed......it may not work but hey, at least its better than the "beating of a dead horse" policy of Bush's that McCain would've continued...

 

BTW, cry all you want about Obama but he IS our President and will be til at least Jan of 2013......lets pray he leads us out of the hole we're in

[Guest JJBrickface]

Obama is probably one of the best things to happen to this country right now.....because he is bringing change.....you may not like it, i may not like and the guy next door may not either but change is exactly what this country needs.....

 

After the mess dumbo....err i mean dubya put us in after eight years.....just think what kind of shape we'd be in after just 4 years of the desperate republican ticket of McCain and Palin.....

 

Had a Democrat been the screwball that Bush was then a republican would've been elected and brought much needed change but no it was a republican who ran our country into the ground and continued to drag it thru the mud......

 

Change....its what we needed......it may not work but hey, at least its better than the "beating of a dead horse" policy of Bush's that McCain would've continued...

 

BTW, cry all you want about Obama but he IS our President and will be til at least Jan of 2013......lets pray he leads us out of the hole we're in

 

Once again he is NOT bringing change...He is doing the same thing that Bush and Clinton did, Spending Way Too Much Money! Why is that so hard to comprehend?

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Once again he is NOT bringing change...He is doing the same thing that Bush and Clinton did, Spending Way Too Much Money! Why is that so hard to comprehend?

 

Thank you. Fiscally, he's like W on steroids. I suppose "change" can also mean change for the worse.

 

At least Clinton had the sense the raise taxes with spending. Kind of a wash with NAFTA, though.

Were it not for NAFTA, he's probably the 2nd-best president of the 20th Century. And I really believe that.