-oo- 146 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I want to know what you would say in the locker room to the Golden Wave about ending this 5 year SWD losing streak, and what you would be scheduling for practice. If they can't beat a SWD team then they don't have much chance in the playoffs (if they make it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frito gonzales 103 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Not being from Grundy or knowing what contributes to their problems regarding wins/losses it's hard to say what should be said or done in practice. If I had to say something to the G-Men I'd tell them to get their butts in the weight room in the off season. To many of the players show up at two-a-days and start from there. Also, there needs to be some camp participation in the spring. Graham does nothing as a team. No 7 on 7's, team camps, recieving camps, nothing. Graham needs to build a football program instead of just fielding a team. This may be what is going on with Grundy as well.? Graham may also want to look at some of the coaching....I think Marrs is a decent head coach but he's letting some assistants bring down the team...and ultimately it all comes back to the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I want to know what you would say in the locker room to the Golden Wave about ending this 5 year SWD losing streak, and what you would be scheduling for practice.If they can't beat a SWD team then they don't have much chance in the playoffs (if they make it). 23 game SWD losing streak...how much more of a pep talk do you need? The kids gotta want it and have to go out and crack some helmets...that's what changes things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntercav 10 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Having been on both ends of winning and not winning (never 23 straight overall, or in district, or in Tiddlywinks!) as a player and coach, this is a tough issue to resolve. I think the really good coaches (although I don't think really good coaches drop 23 straight district games) don't mention streaks of any kind and really do try to focus on the next opponent-period. There is no mention of the last game (a win or loss) past the first portion of Monday's practice. I think Grundy is caught in a numbers game and simply has struggled to play a "Double A schedule" as a true Single-A team. In other words, I think most SWD Teams would struggle to win constantly against very good AAA teams 3 to 4 hours away (there's that travel booger again). I thought they were well coached and played hard against Carroll. They simply lacked depth and speed to hang in there for four quarters. Hey, if games were 3 quarters they'd have several more wins? I only saw 23 kids on the roster? Davie only had to sly Goliath once with one throw; it wasn't a 48 minute fight. I also think Grundy's play-calling is a little off in that there is no identity as to what they want to be (a running or throwing team). Some possessions are all runs, some are all throws, and none have much flow or design to them. The bootleg throws to the left were working against Carroll and they stopped calling those plays! Do that until they stop you and then come back with a reverse. It seems the QB is young, but talented. #11 can catch it and played great on both sides of the ball. The RB is undersized, but fast and played hard. I wouldn't want to be a Single- A team and play these guys next year! Hang in there and moving down will cure a lot of what's ailing this program. In terms of how to change things up in practice, I agree that whatever is being done is not working. I know this sounds stupid, but do the opposite. If you're riding them, back off. If you're not riding them, ride them. Play flag football, set-back, or skills competitions if you've been hard on them to change up the routine for a day. If not, bull in the ring, Oklahoma and just plain o' tackling drill them until dark to add a little spice. No matter how it plays out, best of luck to all SWD teams with making the playoffs and advancing... Edited October 26, 2009 by Huntercav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battleftbl 42 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I dont believe 23 straight district losses should be mentioned once in practice this week. Thats alot of weight to put on those kids....alot of weight that they're not responsible for. This 2009 team is not responsible for what happened in 2006, 2007, 2008 or any years before that, good or bad. I wouldnt want that kind of pressure being put on this group of kids. I would make the Monday practice a fun one.. Find creative ways to let the kids have fun, but still get something out of it. Compete against each other in events, but get your conditioning in while doing it. As much as I wouldnt mention all of the past losses to the players, coaches cant control what players hear once they go home at night. So I would start the week off by getting them to compete but have alot of fun at the same time. On tuesday and Wednesday I would prepare for the upcoming game by working on all 3 phases of the game *offense,defense,special teams* and have a very detailed walk through on thursday. I believe by letting them have alot of fun on Monday, the team would be loose all week, and play loose during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I think Grundy is caught in a numbers game and simply has struggled to play a "Double A schedule" as a true Single-A team. I'd agree with you, except for the fact that Graham as also had "A" numbers for quite a while, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntercav 10 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 VHSLhelper: Hey, I wasn't suggesting that enrollment was the only reason for a decline with Grundy, but it is certainly a main factor. How ironic that you mentioned Graham as their program is also struggling. I would suggest that declining enrollment has to be hurting them too? They had 15 kids on a JV team a couple of years when we played them at Graham and didn't have a JV team last year? Yes, there are other factors (poor coaching, poor relationships with kids and parents, poor facilities, younger kids playing soccer or just one sport, poor recreation or "feeder" programs and the list goes on), but a decline in enrollment hurts ANY program, even those with excellent coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Yeah, the enrollment is only a small part. Heck, Gretna won the Div. 3 title with "A" numbers when Vic Hall was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frito gonzales 103 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 VHSLhelper: Hey, I wasn't suggesting that enrollment was the only reason for a decline with Grundy, but it is certainly a main factor. How ironic that you mentioned Graham as their program is also struggling. I would suggest that declining enrollment has to be hurting them too? They had 15 kids on a JV team a couple of years when we played them at Graham and didn't have a JV team last year? Yes, there are other factors (poor coaching, poor relationships with kids and parents, poor facilities, younger kids playing soccer or just one sport, poor recreation or "feeder" programs and the list goes on), but a decline in enrollment hurts ANY program, even those with excellent coaching. Graham had a JV team last year with about 20 players on it. What is Grundy's enrollment this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntercav 10 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Notice I had a question mark by my comment about whether or not Graham had a JV team last year, as we did not play them and were told they didn't have enough players. It's really hard to build a program with 15 or 20 guys on a JV team year in and year out. Short of "recruiting" or "signing free agents," it's going to be tough to field quality teams when numbers are that low at any school. As for Grundy's enrollment, they have approximately 528, but only 380 in grades 10-12. By comparison, CCHS does not send 9th graders to its high school and has an enrollment in the 900's and averages around 1000. The great Vince Lombardi may have easily been undefeated at Salem and win-less at the former Pocahontas HS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Don't know where you got your numbers, but the March numbers for grades 9-12 from the state DoE says Grundy had 438 & Carroll had 1158. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatBoy 10 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 438 is the combined weight of Compton and Plymal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrundyWinsAll 10 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 DOCTOR! DOCTOR LOU! DOCTOR LOU! The doctor is out. Coach Lou in to talk to the wave. Listen boys, I know there is a lot of BS about losses in the SWD. Well, some of you have participated in that and some have not. The important thing is not what has happened the last 5 years. The important thing is what happens the next 48 minutes. You are going to be the team that broke the streak. You are going to be the team that made the playoffs. and you are going to be the team that showed everyone that tough times don't last tough people do! And a side note for the coaches- Remember it doesn't matter if you have friends or enemies. 'Cause when your winning you enemies can't hurt you and when your losing your friends can't help you! Good Luck Wave! Snap the Streak! DOCTOR! DOCTOR LOU! DOCTOR LOU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-oo- 146 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 DOCTOR! DOCTOR LOU! DOCTOR LOU! The doctor is out. Coach Lou in to talk to the wave. Listen boys, I know there is a lot of BS about losses in the SWD. Well, some of you have participated in that and some have not. The important thing is not what has happened the last 5 years. The important thing is what happens the next 48 minutes. You are going to be the team that broke the streak. You are going to be the team that made the playoffs. and you are going to be the team that showed everyone that tough times don't last tough people do! And a side note for the coaches- Remember it doesn't matter if you have friends or enemies. 'Cause when your winning you enemies can't hurt you and when your losing your friends can't help you! Good Luck Wave! Snap the Streak! DOCTOR! DOCTOR LOU! DOCTOR LOU! Haha, thats the main reason I made this thread so everyone could be Dr. Lou lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSocko 136 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 DOCTOR! DOCTOR LOU! DOCTOR LOU! The doctor is out. Coach Lou in to talk to the wave. Listen boys, I know there is a lot of BS about losses in the SWD. Well, some of you have participated in that and some have not. The important thing is not what has happened the last 5 years. The important thing is what happens the next 48 minutes. You are going to be the team that broke the streak. You are going to be the team that made the playoffs. and you are going to be the team that showed everyone that tough times don't last tough people do! And a side note for the coaches- Remember it doesn't matter if you have friends or enemies. 'Cause when your winning you enemies can't hurt you and when your losing your friends can't help you! Good Luck Wave! Snap the Streak! DOCTOR! DOCTOR LOU! DOCTOR LOU! Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it! Lou Holtz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntercav 10 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I made the numbers up! Naw, they came straight from a Google search to websites for each school. The numbers were from last year, so perhaps your DOE numbers are more fresh. My daughter graduated from CCHS last year and my son is a Junior, who plays several varsity sports-including football. I don't profess to be an expert on numbers, but I do know that Carroll's numbers are deceiving because they include 9th graders who do not attend the high school and who do not participate on the varsity teams in most all sports (there has been a golfer or two and maybe a soccer player, but I can't readily think of any 9th grader to get more than token plays at the varsity level of football). When I looked at Grundy's teams over the last several years they were full of 9th and 10th graders and the overall numbers were way down. I also didn't see anybody named Vic Hall on the roster. I think the entire enrollment thing is bogus because of how male students are counted! As I said before, I think Grundy is headed in the right direction with their team and a move down to Single-A should cure what's ailing them most. I would not want to be a Galax, Grayson, KY or WV, Single A team and play these guys next year. Then again, here comes that I am not an expert line. I offered other possible reasons for their drop off, but did state that enrollment was most likely the main contributing factor. Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't they ahead in two SWD games in the 3rd quarter? A lack of depth caught up to them? Whatever the factors, here's to hoping they right the ship going forward... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPF 417 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 VHSLhelper: Hey, I wasn't suggesting that enrollment was the only reason for a decline with Grundy, but it is certainly a main factor. How ironic that you mentioned Graham as their program is also struggling. I would suggest that declining enrollment has to be hurting them too? They had 15 kids on a JV team a couple of years when we played them at Graham and didn't have a JV team last year? Yes, there are other factors (poor coaching, poor relationships with kids and parents, poor facilities, younger kids playing soccer or just one sport, poor recreation or "feeder" programs and the list goes on), but a decline in enrollment hurts ANY program, even those with excellent coaching. When has Graham had declining numbers? Graham has had anywhere from 500-600 kids for at least 2 decades. The reason for the downturn at Graham has nothing to do with declining enrollment. We all know the reason for the decline, a great coach passed on. And his successor could not sustain what was built for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntercav 10 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I never intended to hijack a thread by interjecting enrollment numbers; rather, I was attempting to offer declining numbers as a contributing factor when VSHLhelper mentioned Graham and Grenta as schools which survived with declining numbers (yes, having Vic Hall at Gretna and Bradshaw at Graham helped ease all other factors). I don't have "official" DOE numbers, but my information showed them with 523 kids, down from 572 just two years ago. That's roughly 50 kids, which may not sound like much, but statistically is significant (600-500, that's a 17% range!). Maybe its splitting hairs or a pattern/cycle repeating itself and has NOTHING to do with anything. Carroll is exactly 2-13 against Graham with both wins coming since 2004 and has roughly twice the number of students, so I was never suggesting that numbers alone correlated to Grundy's or Graham's current situations. I have great admiration and respect for what coach Carlock did for several decades at Graham-period. It would be difficult for any coach to follow him-period. I am not knowledgeable enough about their current staff to openly throw rocks at them on the Internet or in person. I just remember a lot of kids on their teams in years past and a dwindling number over the last couple of years. I personally think its nearly impossible to build a program with 15 or 20 kids on a JV team. Perhaps you summed it up best when you typed: "could not sustain what was built for whatever reason" when alluding to why Graham's program isn't at the level it was in the '60's through the '90's. That pretty much includes everything I mentioned in the portion of my response that you copied into your reply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPF 417 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I never intended to hijack a thread by interjecting enrollment numbers; rather, I was attempting to offer declining numbers as a contributing factor when VSHLhelper mentioned Graham and Grenta as schools which survived with declining numbers (yes, having Vic Hall at Gretna and Bradshaw at Graham helped ease all other factors). I don't have "official" DOE numbers, but my information showed them with 523 kids, down from 572 just two years ago. That's roughly 50 kids, which may not sound like much, but statistically is significant (600-500, that's a 17% range!). Maybe its splitting hairs or a pattern/cycle repeating itself and has NOTHING to do with anything. Carroll is exactly 2-13 against Graham with both wins coming since 2004 and has roughly twice the number of students, so I was never suggesting that numbers alone correlated to Grundy's or Graham's current situations. I have great admiration and respect for what coach Carlock did for several decades at Graham-period. It would be difficult for any coach to follow him-period. I am not knowledgeable enough about their current staff to openly throw rocks at them on the Internet or in person. I just remember a lot of kids on their teams in years past and a dwindling number over the last couple of years. I personally think its nearly impossible to build a program with 15 or 20 kids on a JV team. Perhaps you summed it up best when you typed: "could not sustain what was built for whatever reason" when alluding to why Graham's program isn't at the level it was in the '60's through the '90's. That pretty much includes everything I mentioned in the portion of my response that you copied into your reply... Graham's ADM numbers have been as low as 423 in the last 10 years, numbers have nothing to do with it. Continue your argument, but using Graham as an example of declining enrollment is just flat out wrong. And by the way, that 572 was probably an estimation from the closing of Pocahontas, and as you can tell from the growth of Tazewell most of the kids went there. Carry on........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntercav 10 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 CPF, I have no "argument" or anything to "carry on." We can agree to disagree on any issue related to enrollment or Graham football. It's all good; it's a forum to exchange opinions or facts-not the be all end all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryboy 11 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 isn't grundy going to be in the bdd next year anyway??...or the year after or something or did that get shot down and turned around or whatever..??... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 The next realignment starts Summer 2011. Next Spring is the deadline to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwave0333 69 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Considering rowe and kilmere are the same, i figure it will go something like this "play the next 48 min. for the next 48 yrs. of your life" Varsity Blues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSocko 136 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Considering rowe and kilmere are the same, i figure it will go something like this "play the next 48 min. for the next 48 yrs. of your life" Varsity Blues That's funny! I don't give damn who you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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