Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I posted it on the ChatBox, but how can NASCAR or any other sanctioning body allow him to race after this incident? Particularly with Stewart's past and anger control issues, I think he should be parked for the rest of the season, and a lifetime ban should absolutely be in play. I would give it to him. I watched that video. Kevin Ward, Jr., was reckless. But Tony was certainly not trying to avoid him. In fact, it looked like Tony drove at him to intimidate him. I don't think Tony tried to hit him, but his anger out him in that position. barondawg77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barondawg77 115 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 One of the vids I saw had sound, he absolutely gunned it when he got close to the young man. Disgusting http://deadsp.in/grzCgy6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,557 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 The video is doctored to add a Rev. This was not intentional. It's a 20 year old kid who got mad and ran down the track in front of cars. If Stewart was trying to hit him, he would hit him with his front tires. It was absolutely an accident. It's tragic, and it's truly upsetting, but a lifetime ban? No. dshreeves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Tony pretty clearly altered his course in Ward's direction. I don't believe the hit was intentional. But I do believe it was an intimidation move that went horribly wrong. The engine rev was doctored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barondawg77 115 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Maybe it was doctored, but you can see the car's speed change. It kicks sideways as well. No excuses for Stewart in my opinion. Carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,557 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 How do you know it doesn't kick sideways because he tried to fishtail away from the kid? The cars are on dirt. He could have been trying to get away and it whipped the wrong way. Either way, it's an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barondawg77 115 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Because when you fishtail on those dirt tracks it kicks the tail up the banking. That's how they are designed. Do you think he didn't realize that? He's only raced on dirt his whole life. Do I think he meant to kill him? No. hurt or hit him? No. But he did, he was in control of the car and he has enough experience to know better than play that game. Deleted Account 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 The guy went back uphill toward him...he's was fortunate that the first car didn't hit him and it almost did. Running out in front of moving cars? I think its on both of them just as much but the guy put himself in serious danger to begin and you see what happened. The first car fishtailed out the same way as Stewart's did just as it passing him, again fortunate to have not been hit then. Bearcat Bob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I remember Stewart running at Kenseth and throwing at helmet at him once, could have happened to him. Here's one of Robby Gordon running out in front of cars, don't how he kept from getting hit, Stewart was actually one of them almost got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 From the clip I have seen I don't think much fault is going to be placed on Smoke. I am not a Tony fan, and think he acts like a jerk most of the time. The car in front of Tony didn't avoid the guy by much. I bet the guy wasn't easily seen in the black suit on what appears to be a dim track lighting. Also, Kasey Kahne mentioned sometimes in sprint cars you don't know exactly why there was a caution. If spotters aren't being used, and the wreck happened outside of Smoke's vision since you cant see out of the right side of those cars he may not have had a clue about the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield_Rules 46 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm amazed that someone can watch that video clip and deduct so much from it. You guys ought to put such talent to use doing something productive for man-kind. The fact is this kid made a very poor decision by running onto a poorly lit racetrack wearing a black helmet and firesuit with RACECARS still operating at a reasonable rate of speed. Unfortunately, he paid for his poor decision with his life; hopefully someone will learn from this and not make a similar poor decision. Ryan4VT and dshreeves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,557 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm amazed that someone can watch that video clip and deduct so much from it. You guys ought to put such talent to use doing something productive for man-kind. The fact is this kid made a very poor decision by running onto a poorly lit racetrack wearing a black helmet and firesuit with RACECARS still operating at a reasonable rate of speed. Unfortunately, he paid for his poor decision with his life; hopefully someone will learn from this and not make a similar poor decision. That's what I've been saying all day. None of us are either of those drivers. They are all that know what happened. Kid shouldn't have ran down track. It's sad. But it's still an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm amazed that someone can watch that video clip and deduct so much from it. You guys ought to put such talent to use doing something productive for man-kind. The fact is this kid made a very poor decision by running onto a poorly lit racetrack wearing a black helmet and firesuit with RACECARS still operating at a reasonable rate of speed. Unfortunately, he paid for his poor decision with his life; hopefully someone will learn from this and not make a similar poor decision. You do know what I do for a living, don't you? My practice focuses on taking fact patterns and determining their applicability to criminal offenses in a court of law. I do this 3+ times per week on a LIGHT week. So spare my ass the whole holier-than-thou tripe. I will, however, be glad to recommend seasonings for that industrial-sized portion of crow you're ingesting. barondawg77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 That's what I've been saying all day. None of us are either of those drivers. They are all that know what happened. Kid shouldn't have ran down track. It's sad. But it's still an accident. Similarly, everyone knows that Ward's behavior was incomprehensibly reckless. As humans, we have the cognitive ability to make deductions about situations. Stewart put Ward in the wall. Ward was pissed to a level where he became incomprehensibly reckless. Stewart has a history of being a jackass to other drivers and using intimidation tactics to bully. The video footage shows Stewart altering his line in relation to his fellow drivers and moving toward Ward. I reasonably deduce from this that Stewart was trying to intimidate Ward. Other reasonable interpretations are possible. However, what disturbs me is that people who disagree with the view I've stated are, somewhat oddly, vigorously attacking that position, as if it were per se unreasonable. And it's not. Neither position is. But it doesn't exactly weaken my perspective to see it under assail. barondawg77 and Ryan4VT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield_Rules 46 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 You do know what I do for a living, don't you? My practice focuses on taking fact patterns and determining their applicability to criminal offenses in a court of law. I do this 3+ times per week on a LIGHT week. So spare my ass the whole holier-than-thou tripe. I will, however, be glad to recommend seasonings for that industrial-sized portion of crow you're ingesting. Pardon me, but I don't give a flying whoop WTF you do. You aren't any better than any of the rest of us and your opinion holds no more value either, especially with me. Keep beating your chest though bro, maybe someone will bow to your inflated sense of self-importance and superiority. dshreeves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I hate ESPN and everyone else running the video on national tv. What will be interesting to see (although still not 100% accurate of any drivers view) will be video from a GoPro camera depending on its location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 No hard feelings. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,742 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story/ Obviously the author is pro-Stewart but still a good read. The author says it was Stewarts rear tire that hit the Ward. Maybe Stewart held his line to get close to Ward and intimidate him but he was on the track and imo clearly put himself in harms way. Tragic, sad but I really don't think he meant to hit him. Stewart did gun it but the car did fishtail to the left, away from Ward. The Blue/silver car almost hit Ward too. Granted in not really a race fan and dont know a whole lot about the sport beyond a basic knowledge. Deleted Account 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavsgrad 28 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I haven't looked at the video online because I don't want to see someone fataly struck by a racecar. I did see the video on Foxnews which stopped the footage just before Tony struck him. There is no doubt that Tony is a hot head and can be very aggresive at times but I can't imagine he intentionally tried to hit this you man. From what I have read and heard concerning the matter it sounds like the other driver made a dangerous move walking out so close to the cars on the track and that the car ahead of Tony almost hit him. I think it was an accident plain and simple. Both he and Tony probably could have made better choices to avoid the accident but I don't think you can condemn Tony based so heavily on his past. I think Tony made a wise move that showed consideration for the family by choosing not to race at Watkins Glen. I could forsee NASCAR instituting a rule in their series that prohibits drivers from walking toward cars on the track in the future to avoid an incident like this, in one of their series. Just a sad situation and my heart goes out to the Ward family and to Tony. Ryan4VT and dshreeves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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