BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I thought it'd be neat to get a complete overview of how each SWVA team plays. Let's leave it to specific fans to chime in, like I know basically how GC/RHS/WC/LHS play but those fans know the exact schemes better. For Union: Offense-most of the time, they run a spread, shotgun system with two RBs and two WR. There's a ton of variations, like one back, four wide, using a lot of motion jet sweeps and read option looks in the running game. There hasn't been as much down field passing this year, relying more on at the LOS passes or mid range throws near the markers. Union is capable of going deep but most big plays come from players nakin plays and not designed bombs. The inside run game is read based in the shotgun, with the runner going up the A or the QB keeping and going opposite. Some of e time, Union lines up in the old power T, Appalachia football. In that system, motion is almost always used and runs come from all angles. Dives, traps and counters inside with sweeps and jet sweeps outside. The PA pass game is also available in the T, mainly bootleg RPOs. Defense is more basic;, a 4-4 type look with one deep S. Union will sub to matchbuip but prefers to run different looks awith the 4-4. Not a lot of pass blitzing unless necessary bit timely run blitzes have been handy. The DL gets very good penetration, making it easier on the DBs in the pass and giving LBs clear lanes against the run. I'd personally like to see more variation on defense to match up with more WRs or spy more on mobile QBs, but the staff has done a great job and the defense has played very well. Union guys, if I've missed anything or am wrong feel free to correct me and I'd like to see the rest of the teams give us some insight. Not giving away trade secrets here, every team has access to film lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Tw singlewing/pistol flexbone. 43 or 52 defense Lee read option pistol spread, 43 didn't notice their goalline. BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I've noticed that the majority of teams run out of a spread now. I can only imagine Phil Robbins smirking his arrogant smirk lol, he was one of first coaches in SWVA (well I can only really comment on Region D) to run a primary shotgun spread look, back in 2003-2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I've noticed that the majority of teams run out of a spread now. I can only imagine Phil Robbins smirking his arrogant smirk lol, he was one of first coaches in SWVA (well I can only really comment on Region D) to run a primary shotgun spread look, back in 2003-2004.sadly he would be an idiot to take any credit. However college football can say you are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 sadly he would be an idiot to take any credit. However college football can say you are welcome. What HS football programs in the area was running that system in 2003? Urban Meyer hadn't even took the UF job in that time, hell Phil was installing it before he even came to Utah. It wasn't a HUNH style attack, but you can't reallyt say he wasn't ahead of the VA HS curb when it came to that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,554 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 What HS football programs in the area was running that system in 2003? Urban Meyer hadn't even took the UF job in that time, hell Phil was installing it before he even came to Utah. It wasn't a HUNH style attack, but you can't reallyt say he wasn't ahead of the VA HS curb when it came to that offense. Richlands started running the spread in 03. Bigrhsfan and cityofRaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer_Dad 29 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Battle runs a variation of the Veer on Offense. Defense is 4-2-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireRed 94 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 James Colley ran the spread in the 90's lol... And really he ran a variation of it since the 80's, but once his oldest son Robbie was the QB at Haysi, well the rest is history as they say. Hurley runs a wild variation of the Wing T, really a spread version of it. great way to have multiple ball carriers on the field at once. redtiger and cowboysnskynyrd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSocko 136 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 James Colley ran the spread in the 90's lol... And really he ran a variation of it since the 80's, but once his oldest son Robbie was the QB at Haysi, well the rest is history as they say.Hurley runs a wild variation of the Wing T, really a spread version of it. great way to have multiple ball carriers on the field at once.Wing-t principles....block down.....kick out....touchdown! Glen McNew has came in the last three Summers to teach the Hurley kids from 7th grade up how to run the wing-t. Some of you WV guys may know him from being head coach of Morgantown High and he also had a brief stint at Richlands in the 60's. NewHampshireRed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Comparing Robbins to hal mumme or Mike martz..... yea have fun with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Comparing Robbins to hal mumme or Mike martz..... yea have fun with that.Um neither one of those guys ran the spread concepts popularized by guys like Meyer. Mumme is an Air Raid guy thru and thru, and Martz? LOL! When did Mike Martz EVER have a QB run? Martz has never ever ran any read option concept. And I wasn't comparing Phil to those guys,only noting that few programs (Richlands and Honaker mainly were others) were running concepts that EVERYONE uses to some extent now. But the two coaches you mentioned, extremely sharp offensive minds (Martz ehh I dunno, he had so much talent but dida good job of utilizing Faulk out of backfield as a WR but he was doing that at SDSU) but neither are spread guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Haysi ran some shotgun 4 wide going back into the 80s, some mid 90s Haysi teams based out of it, early/mid 2000s Tiger teams were truly multiple and mixed in a lot of I-form, late 00s were mostly spread. 4 wide was always part of the offense but rarely the basis of what we did. Honaker has mixed in some shotgun 4 wide since the early 2000s. cowboysnskynyrd and NewHampshireRed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Um neither one of those guys ran the spread concepts popularized by guys like Meyer. Mumme is an Air Raid guy thru and thru, and Martz? LOL! When did Mike Martz EVER have a QB run? Martz has never ever ran any read option concept. And I wasn't comparing Phil to those guys,only noting that few programs (Richlands and Honaker mainly were others) were running concepts that EVERYONE uses to some extent now. But the two coaches you mentioned, extremely sharp offensive minds (Martz ehh I dunno, he had so much talent but dida good job of utilizing Faulk out of backfield as a WR but he was doing that at SDSU) but neither are spread guys. each offense was spread out, define your vague definition of the "spread." Now that I think about it, Robbins probably did create this "spread." If we want to really go back, Johnny majors perfected the spread option style (singlewing, crap let the cat out of the bag), the other two individuals passed first ran second. They were "spread" out and they ran, also when does a qb run in the NFL and live? http://www.maizenbrew.com/2013/8/2/4581060/Ohio-State-spread-offense-braxton-miller-carlos-hyde-single-wing Despise this phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 each offense was spread out, define your vague definition of the "spread." Now that I think about it, Robbins probably did create this "spread." If we want to really go back, Johnny majors perfected the spread option style (singlewing, crap let the cat out of the bag), the other two individuals passed first ran second. They were "spread" out and they ran, also when does a qb run in the NFL and live?http://www.maizenbrew.com/2013/8/2/4581060/Ohio-State-spread-offense-braxton-miller-carlos-hyde-single-wing Despise this phone Guys like Leach and Mumme relied on statue QBs and wide formations. When people talk about the spread, its like a code for read option out of a shotgun. Leach, Mumme nor Martz ever incorporated that element into their offenses. It has its roots in the early single wing style with motion and reading the DL/LBs before deciding who runs, but it also has WRs on the field and incorporates more RPOs than old single wing or veer offenses. A 'spread offense', at least to me, read as an offense that uses a read from the QB and 11 or empty personnel packages. Leach is big into empty or 11 sets, but his offense to me was more four verts, mesh, and y-cross, extremely wide splits and hurrying up between plays. He just took the run and shoot (2 outside WR, two slot WR) and made it more effective by mixing more trips formations and sped it up to 11. LaVell Edwards was doing a lot of that stuff at BYU in the 80s before Leach and Mumme, with guys like Young, McMahaon and Detmer. Houston really perfected it during the 80s early 90s with Klinger and Ware, and when defenses adjusted guys like Leach, Mumme and Dykes made adjustments and perfected their air raid. Compare that to Urban Meyer and Gus Malzahan, two modern godfathers of the spread, use the formation more as a power run formation and a lot of screens and misdirection. Looking at what Meyer did at BG with Josh Harris or at UF w Tebow or Malzahan with Cam or Nick Marshall, the complexity of pass routes is nowhere near an air raid or west coast style bc it relies more on a feel, a QB having more defined reads and the ability to take off in the pass game and a power run style to loosen up a defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Was is old is new again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Dutch Meyer ran a 5 wide single wing(well 2 wings and 3 WRs) at TCU in the 50s. One of Pop Warners base single wing plays was a TB Sweep where a TE ran a Fly route and the TB could pass or run based on if the receiver was covered or not (RPO 80 years ago). What Meyer and Malzahan were/are doing is an evolutionon of the Wing-T, which is an evolution of the Single Wing... around and around we go. There's nothing new in football, only unique packaging of plays. MrSocko and 1inStripes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Dutch Meyer ran a 5 wide single wing(well 2 wings and 3 WRs) at TCU in the 50s. One of Pop Warners base single wing plays was a TB Sweep where a TE ran a Fly route and the TB could pass or run based on if the receiver was covered or not (RPO 80 years ago). What Meyer and Malzahan were/are doing is an evolutionon of the Wing-T, which is an evolution of the Single Wing... around and around we go. There's nothing new in football, only unique packaging of plays. I agree w that 90% lol. Only 90% because there have been things added to the passing game that the sport hadn't seen before in regards to the West Coast, timing style offense. Quick throws aren't new, but timing routes, using the RB as a receiver out of the backfield in actual routes, and the emphasis on 12-18 yard completions was never really a big part of any offense before Walsh starting really tinkering at Stanford then in Cleveland as OC under Paul Brown then as HC of 49ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I agree 95% with that Timing routes were new to an extent but had always existed in some form, the route combinations were new and passing read progressions were new BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconVoice 38 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 At Abingdon we ran what was called "Ace Spread" out of the Ace set back in my days (02-05) under Coach Allen, and the JV ran more like today's spreads, pretty wide open. The Varsity would mostly run 2 receiver looks to the JVs' 4 receiver ones, pulling the two slot receivers in as either an Ace Heavy look (two TEs) or just a standard Ace set with one TE and either a FB (which would move us back to I-Formation except I'm not sure I remember us being under center a lot for what it's worth) or one slot WR. It wasn't the most groundbreaking formation, but the Ace Spread variety was really fun to be a receiver in, especially with a QB in Ramseyer who threw hard enough to break my thumb in practice. Gregory really opened it up after I was done playing (wasn't going to play for him) and opened up a lot of other stuff too that I don't really want to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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