President Obama is still popular but his policies are not.

[Guest JJBrickface]

Is this finally proof that Obama was elected on popularity alone?

 

I will stick by what I said before, he won a popularity contest. Voters failed to see what his policies actually stood for but instead took the word of CNN, MTV, the Black Eyed Peas, and Oprah...

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/06/18/2009-06-18_president_obamas_still_popular_but_his_policies_are_not.html

[Lance 228]

tuff times...tuff choices...not much room for popularity when you are doing what you think needs to be done...the real measure of character in my opinion is going to be as things progress, will he give in to what's popular or continue to do what he thinks needs to be done.

[saturn125 10]

he may feel like he is doing what he thinks is right, but i feel thousands of opinions against one is a big sign.

but i guess only time will tell

but in my opinion the policies being put forth is just to much like socialism.

[Pirate1 10]

Honestly, though, haven't our elections almost completely turned into popularity contests? Isn't that at least in part what the hell is wrong with our political system. How many people in any election vote on the issues. Obama may be a more extreme example, I grant you. But how many people voted for Bush because "he seemed like a good guy to have a beer with" or other inane nonsense.

 

I remember during the Bush/Gore election that Gore's poll numbers among women went way up after he french kissed his wife on stage during the convention. Bottom line is most of the electorate in this country(even those that actually bother to vote) have the attention span of a gnat. Due to that we may end up getting a good candidate in office occasionally, but rarely for the right reasons.

[Guest JJBrickface]

Honestly, though, haven't our elections almost completely turned into popularity contests? Isn't that at least in part what the hell is wrong with our political system. How many people in any election vote on the issues. Obama may be a more extreme example, I grant you. But how many people voted for Bush because "he seemed like a good guy to have a beer with" or other inane nonsense.

 

I remember during the Bush/Gore election that Gore's poll numbers among women went way up after he french kissed his wife on stage during the convention. Bottom line is most of the electorate in this country(even those that actually bother to vote) have the attention span of a gnat. Due to that we may end up getting a good candidate in office occasionally, but rarely for the right reasons.

 

You are absolutely right. Unfortunately the media hasn't caught on to this. They actually just make it worse by promoting superficial topics that make it into a popularity contest. For example, the kiss by Al Gore that you talked about...the media made a big deal about that. Why?

[Deleted Account 5,203]

Honestly, though, haven't our elections almost completely turned into popularity contests? Isn't that at least in part what the hell is wrong with our political system. How many people in any election vote on the issues. Obama may be a more extreme example, I grant you. But how many people voted for Bush because "he seemed like a good guy to have a beer with" or other inane nonsense.

 

I remember during the Bush/Gore election that Gore's poll numbers among women went way up after he french kissed his wife on stage during the convention. Bottom line is most of the electorate in this country(even those that actually bother to vote) have the attention span of a gnat. Due to that we may end up getting a good candidate in office occasionally, but rarely for the right reasons.

 

Nailed it.

[Lance 228]

side note...has anyone noticed that Al Gore has turned intoa a vampire since leaving office?

[Pirate1 10]

Actually, Lance it was while he was in office, or maybe before, my understanding is that it was a freak accident while he was creating the internet.

[bucfan64 309]

There will never be another president elected, that isn't considered handsome and or pretty and charismatic. The last election proved this beyond a doubt.

 

Obama was what the people wanted, but if he had been fat ugly and stuttered a lot, it would not have mattered where he stood on the issues, CHANGE couldn't have been sold by someone without charisma and good looks.........

[fieldgeneral 10]

There will never be another president elected, that isn't considered handsome and or pretty and charismatic. The last election proved this beyond a doubt.

 

Obama was what the people wanted, but if he had been fat ugly and stuttered a lot, it would not have mattered where he stood on the issues, CHANGE couldn't have been sold by someone without charisma and good looks.........

 

well , I think people got tired of having someone embarrasing in the WH. I'm not intending on making this an Obama vs. Bush thing or DEm vs. Rep thing, but I was truly embarrassed when I saw him on TV talking to anyone.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

well , I think people got tired of having someone embarrasing in the WH. I'm not intending on making this an Obama vs. Bush thing or DEm vs. Rep thing, but I was truly embarrassed when I saw him on TV talking to anyone.

 

I'd rather have someone who comes across like a good ol boy who hasn't mastered public speaking than a good speaker who clearly makes America look weak while apologizing to the world for America's shortfalls. Do you think north korea, for "1" example, would be saying the things they have and would be telling the world they'll be launching a missile aimed in the direction of hawaii if either of the bush presidents or reagan was in office? I can answer that, not in a million years.

Say what you will about bush and embarrassing the u.s., but our enemies clearly have absolutely 0 respect for this president......

[trublue 939]

You are absolutely right. Unfortunately the media hasn't caught on to this. They actually just make it worse by promoting superficial topics that make it into a popularity contest. For example, the kiss by Al Gore that you talked about...the media made a big deal about that. Why?

 

The following excerpts are quotes from Bill Maher from an article in the LA Times .......

 

==================================================================

"Enough with the Obamathon"

 

"The president is on TV more than the ShamWow guy, but I want to see a little more action.

By Bill Maher

June 12, 2009

 

"I'm still a fan, but there's a fine line between being transparent and being overexposed. Every time you turn on the TV, there's Obama. He's getting a puppy! He's eating a cheeseburger with Joe Biden! He's taking the wife to Broadway and Paris -- this is the best season of "The Bachelor" yet!"

 

"Remember during the campaign when John McCain attacked Obama for acting like a celebrity and we all laughed at the grumpy old shellshocked fool? Well, it turns out he was right. Sorry, senator. I'm sending a nice gift basket of high-fiber muffins your way."

 

It's getting to where you can't turn on your TV without seeing Obama. Who does he think he is, Dick Cheney? Come on, sir, you don't have to be on television every minute of every day. You're the president, not a rerun of "Law and Order." Save some charisma for a rainy day. Taking strangers from a TV show on a tour of your house? We have that show; it's called "Cribs." And letting reporters ask you questions like "You like to be the one who picks out the shaving cream, don't you?" Or as it's called today, "journalism." I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I saw him take Brian Williams into his bedroom, and at the end of the bed there was a teleprompter and it said, "Who's your daddy?"

 

"I mean, selling the personal part to stay popular, I'm all for it, but you got us already. We like you, we really like you! You're skinny and in a hurry and in love with a nice lady. "

 

"Obama needs to start putting it on the line in fights against the banks, the energy companies and the healthcare industry. I never thought I'd say this, but he needs to be more like George W. Bush. Bush was all about, "You're with us or against us."

 

"Obama's more like, "You're either with us, or you obviously need to see another picture of this adorable puppy!"

====================================================================

You can read it in its entirety at the following link:

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-maher12-2009jun12,0,7966784.story

Edited June 19, 2009 by trublue

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

The following excerpts are quotes from Bill Maher from an article in the LA Times .......

 

==================================================================

"Enough with the Obamathon"

 

"The president is on TV more than the ShamWow guy, but I want to see a little more action.

By Bill Maher

June 12, 2009

 

 

====================================================================

You can read it in its entirety at the following link:

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-maher12-2009jun12,0,7966784.story

 

 

Regarding the article, the guy hasn't stopped campaigning, the media hasn't stopped campaigning for him, and that's what is on tv.

 

regarding the 1st post, the reason he's still at least popular with some despite them being against his policies is because they have yet to have their lives directly influenced by some of these policies.

A knowledgeable acquaintance of mine argues that he won't be reelected regardless of who he's running against in 2012, I argue that regardless of how bad things get the media will be telling America that things couldn't be better and he will be reelected in 2012, but he puts it simple and has a point, he says pain is the best teacher of all.

I guess it's only a matter of when a lot of these policies crash down on the common American's lives in a bad way that people will consider the policies rather than the popularity tenfold more.

It's going to have to get much worse before America will ever elect politicians based on responsible policies rather than irrelevant matters again it seems...............

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

the media hasn't stopped campaigning for him.

 

Has anyone being paying attention to the fact that ABC is pretty much giving Obama an infomercial on healthcare? Last I heard, which was tuesday, Obama had no GOP opponents to challenge his views.

 

ABC is paying for the event to take place... Is there any doubt that Obama has the media in his pocket and they are biased???

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

Honestly, though, haven't our elections almost completely turned into popularity contests? Isn't that at least in part what the hell is wrong with our political system. How many people in any election vote on the issues. Obama may be a more extreme example, I grant you. But how many people voted for Bush because "he seemed like a good guy to have a beer with" or other inane nonsense.

 

I remember during the Bush/Gore election that Gore's poll numbers among women went way up after he french kissed his wife on stage during the convention. Bottom line is most of the electorate in this country(even those that actually bother to vote) have the attention span of a gnat. Due to that we may end up getting a good candidate in office occasionally, but rarely for the right reasons.

 

Our 2 party system sucks. Period.

 

I would also like to add that too many people vote on things like abortion, gay rights, and such compared to real time issues. And yes the vote is split on the above things both ways, GOP and the Dems. Saddening really.

[Deleted Account 5,203]

Our 2 party system sucks. Period.

 

I would also like to add that too many people vote on things like abortion, gay rights, and such compared to real time issues. And yes the vote is split on the above things both ways, GOP and the Dems. Saddening really.

 

I consider abortion a "real time" issue, TBH.

 

But your point's well taken. I just don't want to see a popularity contest decide if I'll have a job to go to in 3 years.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

I consider abortion a "real time" issue, TBH.

 

But your point's well taken. I just don't want to see a popularity contest decide if I'll have a job to go to in 3 years.

 

I dont mind you saying that, and I dont mind you using that as one platform to base your political platform. But I do have problems when you only use one issue, like abortion, to make you decision, and I mean that for both parties.

[Guest JJBrickface]

Our 2 party system sucks. Period.

 

I would also like to add that too many people vote on things like abortion, gay rights, and such compared to real time issues. And yes the vote is split on the above things both ways, GOP and the Dems. Saddening really.

 

Or on the other hand you could be like my cousin who voted for Obama. My cousin is a guy who is against abortion but this year decided that there were more important things going on so he voted for President Obama.

 

But my question is why? Obama is George W. Bush II when it comes to the economy except for their thoughts on taxes. My cousin like thousands of other Americans are clueless when it comes to actual issues. He voted on the side of inspiration and change, not real time issues.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

But my question is why? Obama is George W. Bush II when it comes to the economy except for their thoughts on taxes.

 

Amen to that.

[Lance 228]

as far as the economy goes....all i know is that since Jan 1, 2009 my 401K is up 40%....that is staggering....and most of those gains have been in the last 2-3 months.

 

I have it mostly in the S&P 500 by the way in case you are wondering.

 

****update:

 

Well...it was 40%+

 

looks like it is off a little since I last checked:

 

Personal Rate of Return from 01/01/2009 to 06/19/2009 is 36.4%

[bucfan64 309]

Has anyone being paying attention to the fact that ABC is pretty much giving Obama an infomercial on healthcare? Last I heard, which was tuesday, Obama had no GOP opponents to challenge his views.

 

ABC is paying for the event to take place... Is there any doubt that Obama has the media in his pocket and they are biased???

 

I have some info and opinion about this in my blog, (www.newagepatriot.blogspot.com)"team Obama" as the white house is now being called, has refused to allow anyone with a DISSENTING POLITICAL VIEW be in the "Town Hall" meeting.

 

How is that for a "fair and honest" demographic?

 

"Team Obama" fears that someone might ask a legitimate question about His proposals and that would just throw a wrench in their propaganda machine.

 

Those crazy right wing nut jobs might try to sabotage the PROPAGANDA FILLED PROGRAM!

 

 

By the way Gas prices have increased for 50 some straight days, setting a NEW AMERICAN RECORD! If Bush was in the White House this would be the closing monologue and opening story on just about every liberal trash heap in America. Instead........the sound of Crickets!

Edited June 20, 2009 by bucfan64

[Guest JJBrickface]

I have some info and opinion about this in my blog, (www.newagepatriot.blogspot.com)"team Obama" as the white house is now being called, has refused to allow anyone with a DISSENTING POLITICAL VIEW be in the "Town Hall" meeting.

 

How is that for a "fair and honest" demographic?

 

"Team Obama" fears that someone might ask a legitimate question about His proposals and that would just throw a wrench in their propaganda machine.

 

Those crazy right wing nut jobs might try to sabotage the PROPAGANDA FILLED PROGRAM!

 

 

By the way Gas prices have increased for 50 some straight days, setting a NEW AMERICAN RECORD! If Bush was in the White House this would be the closing monologue and opening story on just about every liberal trash heap in America. Instead........the sound of Crickets!

 

So much for uniting America.

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

Has anyone being paying attention to the fact that ABC is pretty much giving Obama an infomercial on healthcare? Last I heard, which was tuesday, Obama had no GOP opponents to challenge his views.

 

ABC is paying for the event to take place... Is there any doubt that Obama has the media in his pocket and they are biased???

 

I don't watch much tv, but I won't even turn the channel to abc or msnbc or cnn, those are not news outlets anymore, they are pandering, biased, liberal promoters.

So I'm assuming you're writing about this...

 

 

ABC REFUSES OPPOSITION ADS DURING WHITE HOUSE SPECIAL

 

Wed Jun 17 2009 15:15:00 ET

 

ABC is refusing to air paid ads during its White House health care presentation, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, including a paid-for alternative viewpoint!

 

The development comes a day after the network denied a request by the Republican National Committee to feature a representative of the party's views during the Obama special.

 

Conservatives for Patients Rights requested the rates to buy a 60-second spot immediately preceding 'Prescription for America'.

 

Statement from Rick Scott, chairman of Conservatives for Patients Rights:

 

"It is unfortunate - and unusual - that ABC is refusing to accept paid advertising that would present an alternative viewpoint for the White House health care event. Health care is an issue that touches every American and all potential pieces of legislation have carried a pricetag in excess of $1 trillion of taxpayers' money. The American people deserve a healthy, robust debate on this issue and ABC's decision - as of now - to exclude even paid advertisements that present an alternative view does a disservice to the public. Our organization is more than willing to purchase ad time on ABC to present an alternative viewpoint and our hope is that ABC will reconsider having such viewpoints be part of this crucial debate for the American people. We were surprised to hear that paid advertisements would not be accepted when we inquired and we would certainly be open to purchasing time if ABC would reconsider."

[buzzsawBeaver 12]

If I can locate the topic, a few days ago I read about the president commenting how there was a certain news organization that seemed to disagree with his policies a lot, that should be encouraged to get on board or something like so, obviously fox news, who as far as I know is the only media outlet that is willing to show an opposing view point and report the news and who will speak out against liberal policies.

Ironic few people seemed to care that all of the media outlets basically opposed Bush as much as possible, aside from fox, that the overall media had an agenda to bring down bush amd has an agenda to bring down conservative viewpoints and lifestyles.

It's not surprising that I don't ever recall Bush complaining about it either, he did the job whether people liked it or not and didn't listen.

This president can't even tolerate 1 opposing voice in the media.

[Lance 228]

gas up 50 cents? lol...no one gave Bush a hard time until it hit $4