GrahamPG44 11 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 I really don't know the rule but if you get a personal foul isnt it supposed to be an automatic first down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCats1 10 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 No. Only pass interference, roughing kicker, passer, holder snapper carry automatic first downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamPG44 11 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 No. Only pass interference, roughing kicker, passer, holder snapper carry automatic first downs. okay so in the abingdon game last night. (and im not making any excuses cuz the game was already outta reach and abingdon was the better team) but there was a roughing the passer on a 2nd and 20 and they just gave them 15 yard penalty and it was third down. Doug marrs then called a timeout and went out to tell them that it was an automatic first down and they told him no that its not an automatic first down? i just dont understand how the officials dont even know the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCats1 10 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 If the call was roughing the passer then it should of been an automatic first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu_bean 1,058 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 okay so in the abingdon game last night. (and im not making any excuses cuz the game was already outta reach and abingdon was the better team) but there was a roughing the passer on a 2nd and 20 and they just gave them 15 yard penalty and it was third down. Doug marrs then called a timeout and went out to tell them that it was an automatic first down and they told him no that its not an automatic first down? i just dont understand how the officials dont even know the rules? Not to start anything but local refs just don't get paid enough to be perfect (or even close to it sometimes) There are many cases of mistakes I have seen for any team out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercloud 179 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Not to start anything but local refs just don't get paid enough to be perfect (or even close to it sometimes) There are many cases of mistakes I have seen for any team out there It seems that might be the solution. Find a way to trian and pay better and things may get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 A mistake was made no doubt about it. Unfortunately it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Grundy got called for roughing the kicker even though the punt was blocked. You'd think that when a coach goes cuckoo over a call, they'd figure out they might have made a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance 228 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 Grundy got called for roughing the kicker even though the punt was blocked. You'd think that when a coach goes cuckoo over a call, they'd figure out they might have made a mistake. problems is, when they make a bad call they won't get together and fix it...instead they just figure out some BS way of trying to justify it and go ahead and mark it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1622 10 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 that's true. the back judge at graham said it was a first down, but the referee kept it at 3rd down...they never really discussed it for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatech 10 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 I was at the game and was trying to figure out the same thing. One of the coaches for Abingdon and turned around and shook his head and just laughed. I really doubt this will matter, but is there a letter that can be written to the VHSL or something? There has been more extra curricular action going on this year that's lead to fights and brawls and calls that have been totally messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 You'd think that when a coach goes cuckoo over a call, they'd figure out they might have made a mistake. Might have. I have been in many situations where a coach is going cuckoo and be absolutely wrong. One thing to remember is that a coach can call a timeout to discuss a call with the officials and the officials can give that TO back to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADHD27 10 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 okay so in the abingdon game last night. (and im not making any excuses cuz the game was already outta reach and abingdon was the better team) but there was a roughing the passer on a 2nd and 20 and they just gave them 15 yard penalty and it was third down. Doug marrs then called a timeout and went out to tell them that it was an automatic first down and they told him no that its not an automatic first down? i just dont understand how the officials dont even know the rules? bc a play had already been played b4 he called the timeout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edrforshey 27 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 A good crew would get a rule correctly every time regardless if they are getting paid a 1000 dollars or doing the game for nothing. I understand missing judgement things, but not any type of rules enforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbndonFan 10 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Not to start anything but local refs just don't get paid enough to be perfect (or even close to it sometimes) There are many cases of mistakes I have seen for any team out there Couldn't agree more. If you want better officials. Pay them. Football is the highest grossing sport in high school. Based on that football officials are the lowest paid of any sport. Soccer doesn't bring in crap and the officials are making like $100. If football paid more I would love to do it. Just isn't worth my time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbndonFan 10 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 I was at the game and was trying to figure out the same thing. One of the coaches for Abingdon and turned around and shook his head and just laughed. I really doubt this will matter, but is there a letter that can be written to the VHSL or something? There has been more extra curricular action going on this year that's lead to fights and brawls and calls that have been totally messed up. As a former Tn official, that wouldn't work. The VHSL doesn't like ejections. So therefore, things that probably should go down as an ejection don't. They just get an unsportsman like conduct or personal foul. The principals don't back the officials either. So therefore, I believe it is up to the coaches to keep their teams under control. My opinion from watching games this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4andcloudofdust 11 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 The call was in error. Marrs went ahead and ran a 3rd down play before calling the refs on it. If he had objected at the start, then he would have gotten his first down. He told the refs that he was working on something and thought they gave him the first down. The refs did make a bad call. One of many that I have seen this year. I agree that the refs should be paid more. And trained properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKCats1 10 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Pay them more and a change at the top may be good. People are tired of seeing the same officials all the time. Officials are tired of going to the same place all the time. And when there is a big game you always know who will be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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