sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) And if you have any interest in coal whatsoever, and you vote for Barack Obama, you are committing economic suicide.. If you have anyone in your family on Medicare, Medicaid, or unemployment a vote for Romney is economic suicide...so, what do you choose A-Coal.....or B-Your own future and well-being? In that instance I don't choose coal...there's more to life than coal. The UMWA has no choice but to not endorse a candidate (they didn't endorse Romney either BTW). Because, if they do they risk a backlash from the miners due largely to the campaign to paint Obama as coal's biggest enemy. Call it what you want, I don't care one way or another what they say because I'm not a sheep...I can read, think, and reason for myself to get to the truth of the situation. Furthermore, they know Romney isn't the answer either because if they thought he was (or even if they thought he was better for the country as a whole) they would have endorsed him by now. Edited October 2, 2012 by sup_rbeast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I should say, that I do agree with you on strip mining, and I've had that discussion on here before. It's ecologically devastating, and provides little benefit beyond what subsurface mining does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueinbama 259 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 If you have anyone in your family on Medicare, Medicaid, or unemployment a vote for Romney is economic suicide...so, what do you choose A-Coal.....or B-Your own future and well-being? In that instance I don't choose coal. Please stop the madness. Be brainwashed if you must, but don't expect those of us who see through the liberal BS to be sucked in to the delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 If you have anyone in your family on Medicare, Medicaid, or unemployment a vote for Romney is economic suicide... Wrong, and if you'd be bothered to read, I created a post and posted a link not more than an hour ago that refutes this bogus nonsense. In the meantime: Please stop the madness. Be brainwashed if you must, but don't expect those of us who see through the liberal BS to be sucked in to the delusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,742 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) Well, for starters, Fox is not unbiased..it's about as biased as you can get. They spread misinformation as fact. And that's not my opinion, it's well documented. The problem with coal is that most of the local miners in this day and age are not unionized and are at the mercy of coal companies run amok. They have basically given up EVERYTHING that was fought for nearly a century ago in places like Matewan WV and Harlan KY. And now, they (and our communities) are reaping what has been sown. Mountain Top Removal is nothing but a scar and a stain on our landscape, but the companies do it anyways, backed by the laws and court rulings during the last GOP Administration. When the company decides it can't make "enough" profit (not money...PROFIT) they will pack up and leave, and all that our area will have to show for it is a broken down workforce and a landscape that has been raped and pillaged. If companies want to go back to mining coal responsibility and predominately underground, I'm all for it. But, if they are just going to destroy our people and our home, I don't care if they leave and never come back. I can agree with you on these points and while alot of what has happened to coal is not Obamas fault he is without a doubt hostile toward the industry. I understand why he doesent support mining and honestly I agree with him on that but I personally cannot support the way he is going about it. Too much too fast. I really think he is playing catch up, alot of these regulations should have eased into effect over 10-15 years instead of just taking immediate effect. This region, and all of Appalachia, needs to move away from mining. If that means moving out of Appalachia then so be it but that imo is the future and I would like to see us embrace it a little more and not be forced into it as much. The fact of the matter is neither Obama nor Romney supports coal miners Edited October 2, 2012 by redtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well pick your poison because all of these aren't "incorrect".... ... You can try to deny all you want, but the truth is the truth. Wow. This is epic. Epicly pitiful. You just BLASTED Fox for being badly conservative, and here, all but two of your sources (USAToday and Houston) is FAR more liberal than Fox is conservative. And I immediately discredit someone's argument when he/she quotes Huffington Post as actual, legitimate news. Huffington has the integrity of The Jerry Springer Show. Maybe less. Another symptom of the flying blind Democrats: railing on Fox, while using sources that are one step short of being a Democrat PAC. As a small aside, I was feeling upbeat the other day because I hadn't encountered one of the "I'm a' votin' Demmycrat cuz MUH DADDY DID IT!" Democrats in a while. I still think they're a dying breed, but it is deeply troubling when I see one of them. This year, those people (voting against their self interests) might decide the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I can agree with you on these points and while alot of what has happened to coal is not Obamas fault he is without a doubt hostile toward the industry. I understand why he doesent support mining and honestly I agree with him on that but I personally cannot support the way he is going about it. Too much too fast. I really think he is playing catch up, alot of these regulations should have eased into effect over 10-15 years instead of just taking immediate effect. This region, and all of Appalachia, needs to move away from mining. If that means moving out of Appalachia then so be it but that imo is the future and I would like to see us embrace it a little more and not be forced into it as much Your points are not in sync with his, FWIW. I completely agree that Appalachia needs to embrace non-coal energies. Problem is, the people fight against it with such fervor that industries pass this area by and go up to PA, where people are BEGGING for these industries. It's either coal or nothing for too many people. Very narrow-minded. I agree, that it should be eased into effect over decades, not 1-2 presidential terms. Problem is, Obama has been willing to shred the Constitution to ramrod his agenda through. That's dangerous, no matter what party is in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucfan64 309 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) Well, for starters, Fox is not unbiased..it's about as biased as you can get. They spread misinformation as fact. And that's not my opinion, it's well documented. Second, energy isn't going to "skyrocket" because of less coal burned for domestic electricity...since the 1990's coal has accounted for less electricity production in nearly every subsequent year. But, to blame Obama for legislation that was put in place in 1970, 1990, (Clean Air Acts of Nixon and Bush I), and 2003 (Clear Skies Act of Bush II) and is now being enforced is just plain silly. Actually, the laws Obama pushed for (Cross-State Air Pollution Rule (CSAPR)) has not even been fully implemented yet because they are tied up in the courts ( http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-21/u-s-appeals-court-overturns-cross-state-air-pollution-rule.html ). We should have been raising hell in the 80's (the decade that saw nothing but GOP presidents) when the steel mills were being shut down and the jobs sent over seas, because if they were still here, there would be a higher demand for coal which in turn would drive the price up and make it more profitable for the company (which makes it more likely the company stays in business without having to prey on its workers). My family on both sides has been mostly miners. My papaws, great grand-daddies, uncles, and my dad were all miners. The problem with coal is that most of the local miners in this day and age are not unionized and are at the mercy of coal companies run amok. They have basically given up EVERYTHING that was fought for nearly a century ago in places like Matewan WV and Harlan KY. And now, they (and our communities) are reaping what has been sown. Mountain Top Removal is nothing but a scar and a stain on our landscape, but the companies do it anyways, backed by the laws and court rulings during the last GOP Administration. In Appalachia, a little boy was crushed while sleeping in his bed by a rock shoved off a strip mine located on the mountain above his house, and the company has fought to deny responsibility....News flash: When the company decides it can't make "enough" profit (not money...PROFIT) they will pack up and leave, and all that our area will have to show for it is a broken down workforce and a landscape that has been raped and pillaged. If companies want to go back to mining coal responsibility and predominately underground, I'm all for it. But, if they are just going to destroy our people and our home, I don't care if they leave and never come back. The people of our area are a hardy bunch, and even though over the decades we have had to adapt from time to time, WE HAVE SURVIVED..and will this time as well. The GOP isn't for the miner, it is for the Coal Company...always has been and always will be. First of all, I should have known better than to have got into an argument with a rank and file Democratic PUPPET but here goes...... 1. I NEVER said that Fox News was UNBIASED, I was referencing the unbiased facts which can be seen and heard in sound bytes or video clips of your beloved president saying many of these things in his own words. In fact, not only are there mulititudes of sound bytes and videos of the commander in thief but there is also multitudes of his appointees and other close personal associates singing the praises of Socialism, Communism, wealth re-distribution, social justice, individual mandates, Chairman Mao, etc. to provide more than enough ammunition to prove my point. By the way, with you ability to spin things, it appears that you might be in line for a position with the LameStreamMedia. 2. Previous policies have nothing to do with the massive empowerment that BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA gave to the EPA. True previous administrations were responsible for tons of regulation, most of which was heavily pushed by the EXTREME LEFT in this country, however, NONE of the previous Presidents publicly stated that he would BANKRUPT coal fired power plants, NONE of them publicly stated that under their plan "ENERGY PRICES WILL NECESSISARILY SKY-ROCKET!" 3. You act as if current energy prices are all hinged on previous administations. But, the point that you are failing to see, or refusing to see, is that THIS PRESIDENT has implemented his policies with the FULL INTENT OF INCREASING ENERGY PRICES. His actions are intentional, he knew what he was doing, he knew it would/will have a huge impact on Americans and he STILL DID IT! 4. . Your comment "The GOP isn't for the miner, it is for the Coal Company...always has been and always will be" is nothing more than typical indoctrinated-brainwashed-senseless rhetoric. Oh! Let me guess, the Democrats are for the "working man!" First of all, I never insinuated in my post that I was a Republican, in fact I consider myself a Libertarian and I am not so blind as to think that either political party is favor of the "little man." I abhor what both political parties have done to this country and I despise what the current administration is doing to my country! I could go on and on, but I really see no need to further compete in an ass kicking contest with a one legged man.png.01bb665814ffc257795fe158cb2045c7.png.8a531ac878a82772b21014d7a6167582.png){kind=logo}
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