Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 1962 Group 1-A final standings 01 Graham 8-0-0 9-1-0 02 Newport News 9-0-1 9-0-1 03 Great Bridge 9-0-1 9-0-1 04 E. C. Glass 5-0-1 6-3-1 05 Tazewell 7-1-0 9-1-0 06 Oscar Smith 8-1-1 8-1-1 07 W. T. Woodson 2-0-1 7-0-1 08 Lane 5-1-0 9-1-0 09 Washington-Lee 7-1-1 8-1-1 10 Hermitage 8-2-0 8-2-0 11 Princess Anne 8-2-0 8-2-0 12 Douglas Freeman 8-2-0 8-2-0 13 G. W. Alexandria 7-2-1 7-2-1 14 Thomas Dale 7-2-1 7-2-1 15 Grundy 5-2-0 8-2-0 16 G. W. Danville 5-2-0 8-2-0 17 Hopewell 7-3-0 7-3-0 18 Woodrow Wilson 7-3-0 7-3-0 19 James Madison 5-2-2 6-2-2 20 Thomas Jefferson 6-3-0 6-3-0 21 Cradock 6-3-1 6-3-1 22 McLean 6-3-1 6-3-1 23 Huguenot 3-2-0 6-3-0 24 Groveton 6-4-0 6-4-0 25 Mount Vernon 6-4-0 6-4-0 26 Hammond 6-4-0 6-4-0 27 Richlands 4-3-1 5-4-1 28 Annandale 4-4-2 4-4-2 29 JEB Stuart 4-4-1 4-5-1 30 Robert E. Lee 4-5-1 4-5-1 31 Wakefield 4-5-0 4-6-0 32 George Wythe 3-4-2 3-5-2 33 Petersburg 4-5-0 4-6-0 34 William Fleming 3-4-1 5-4-1 35 Patrick Henry 3-4-1 5-4-1 36 Homer Ferguson 3-4-0 2-5-2 37 Granby 4-6-0 4-6-0 38 Hampton 4-6-0 4-6-0 39 Jefferson, Sr. 3-5-0 4-6-0 40 York 2-4-0 5-5-0 41 Virginia High 2-4-0 2-8-0 42 Fairfax 3-7-0 3-7-0 43 Maury 3-7-0 3-7-0 44 Manchester 3-7-0 3-7-0 45 Halifax County 1-3-0 4-6-0 46 Yorktown 2-7-0 3-7-0 47 Thomas Edison 1-3-0 2-6-1 48 Warwick 2-7-1 2-7-1 49 Andrew Lewis 0-10-0 0-10-0 forfeited all 10 wins cityofRaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityofRaven 2,444 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 48 minutes ago, Bluefield researcher said: 1962 Group 1-A final standings 49 Andrew Lewis 0-10-0 0-10-0 forfeited all 10 wins SUCK IT SALEM! Ryan4VT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, cityofRaven said: SUCK IT SALEM! It was an unfortunate situation. The fullback on the team was in his 5th year. Here is how it happened. The player in question grew up in Franklin County. At 14 he became an orphan. He moved in with his Aunt in the summer of 1957 and was enrolled at Radford High. He was having trouble adjusting to his parents' deaths and got in trouble in Radford and never went to school. But because he enrolled he was considered a student by VHSL rules at that time. His Auntcouldn't control him and he was sent to the Salem Boys Home to live where he settled down and did well. He became an outstanding fullback for Andrew Lewis. Near the end of the 1962 season someone from Franklin County reported to the VHSL about his enrolling at Radford. After an investigation he was found to be ineligible. Andrew Lewis lost all appeals. The player was so upset that he had caused the team to forfeit that he ran away. He wasn't found for several weeks and when he was found he was working in the shipyards at Newport News. The announcement of the final appeal decision just happened to be made the evening Graham was having their football banquet and the announcement was made at the banquet that Graham had won the state championship. Graham lost to Andrew Lewis early in the season and the fullback from Andrew Lewis scored the winning TD. GMan, redtiger, cityofRaven and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bluefield researcher said: It was an unfortunate situation. The fullback on the team was in his 5th year. Here is how it happened. The player in question grew up in Franklin County. At 14 he became an orphan. He moved in with his Aunt in the summer of 1957 and was enrolled at Radford High. He was having trouble adjusting to his parents' deaths and got in trouble in Radford and never went to school. But because he enrolled he was considered a student by VHSL rules at that time. His Auntcouldn't control him and he was sent to the Salem Boys Home to live where he settled down and did well. He became an outstanding fullback for Andrew Lewis. Near the end of the 1962 season someone from Franklin County reported to the VHSL about his enrolling at Radford. After an investigation he was found to be ineligible. Andrew Lewis lost all appeals. The player was so upset that he had caused the team to forfeit that he ran away. He wasn't found for several weeks and when he was found he was working in the shipyards at Newport News. The announcement of the final appeal decision just happened to be made the evening Graham was having their football banquet and the announcement was made at the banquet that Graham had won the state championship. Graham lost to Andrew Lewis early in the season and the fullback from Andrew Lewis scored the winning TD. That's downright heartbreaking. Even though Graham obviously benefitted from this situation, a shame it had to end up this way. Irishman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityofRaven 2,444 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 16 hours ago, Bluefield researcher said: It was an unfortunate situation. The fullback on the team was in his 5th year. Here is how it happened. The player in question grew up in Franklin County. At 14 he became an orphan. He moved in with his Aunt in the summer of 1957 and was enrolled at Radford High. He was having trouble adjusting to his parents' deaths and got in trouble in Radford and never went to school. But because he enrolled he was considered a student by VHSL rules at that time. His Auntcouldn't control him and he was sent to the Salem Boys Home to live where he settled down and did well. He became an outstanding fullback for Andrew Lewis. Near the end of the 1962 season someone from Franklin County reported to the VHSL about his enrolling at Radford. After an investigation he was found to be ineligible. Andrew Lewis lost all appeals. The player was so upset that he had caused the team to forfeit that he ran away. He wasn't found for several weeks and when he was found he was working in the shipyards at Newport News. The announcement of the final appeal decision just happened to be made the evening Graham was having their football banquet and the announcement was made at the banquet that Graham had won the state championship. Graham lost to Andrew Lewis early in the season and the fullback from Andrew Lewis scored the winning TD. Well you just made me feel bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 17 hours ago, Bluefield researcher said: It was an unfortunate situation. The fullback on the team was in his 5th year. Here is how it happened. The player in question grew up in Franklin County. At 14 he became an orphan. He moved in with his Aunt in the summer of 1957 and was enrolled at Radford High. He was having trouble adjusting to his parents' deaths and got in trouble in Radford and never went to school. But because he enrolled he was considered a student by VHSL rules at that time. His Auntcouldn't control him and he was sent to the Salem Boys Home to live where he settled down and did well. He became an outstanding fullback for Andrew Lewis. Near the end of the 1962 season someone from Franklin County reported to the VHSL about his enrolling at Radford. After an investigation he was found to be ineligible. Andrew Lewis lost all appeals. The player was so upset that he had caused the team to forfeit that he ran away. He wasn't found for several weeks and when he was found he was working in the shipyards at Newport News. The announcement of the final appeal decision just happened to be made the evening Graham was having their football banquet and the announcement was made at the banquet that Graham had won the state championship. Graham lost to Andrew Lewis early in the season and the fullback from Andrew Lewis scored the winning TD. And that's the way it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, cityofRaven said: Well you just made me feel bad... Nope... cityofRaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I dug out the articles I have scanned from the Roanoke Times and I "misremembered" a few facts. It has been three years since I researched this. The player became an orphan while attending Franklin County High. He was in the 9th grade. He transferred to Radford to live with his Aunt and did briefly attend Radford. There is no information on whether he participated in athletics at Radford or Franklin County. He did not finish 9th grade at either school for the academic year 1957-58. When he went to Salem he was placed in the 9th grade again for the academic year 1958-59 since he had not completed 9th grade the year before. This is where the problem lies in that he had what counted as two 9th grade years so far as eligibility is concerned. In late October 1962 the principal at Franklin County contacted the principal at Andrew Lewis and informed Andrew Lewis about the players enrollment at Franklin County. The VHSL has/had a by-law that one principal must contact another with any information that they believe the other party does not know about. Once confronted with the facts Andrew Lewis continued to play the player. The principal at Franklin County then contacted the VHSL and the rest is history. Andrew Lewis beat Graham 20-12 on September 15, 1962. They player in question scored the third TD which put Andrew Lewis up at the time 20-6. The other fullback on the Andrew Lewis team scored the first two TD's. Joe Grimm scored both touchdowns for Graham. Everything else that was written before is accurate. This forum does not seem to allow me to attach files or I would attach a few articles that I have scanned from the Roanoke Times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Just to illustrate how close things were in 1962 Tazewell was two points away from the state championship. Tazewell played Andrew Lewis in Salem the week after Graham played Andrew Lewis in Bluefield. Tazewell lost to Andrew Lewis 7-0 when the Bulldogs lost a fumble on their own 13 and the Wolverines took it in for the only score of the game. Of course this result was reversed when Andrew Lewis had to forfeit their games. The following week Graham and Tazewell played on a muddy field at Tazewell with Graham winning 7-6. Graham scored in the first quarter. Tazewell had the ball inside the 5 yard line when time expired in the first half. Tazewell scored with 1:50 to go in the game. They missed the XP but Graham was offside. The second attempt also failed. Both attempts were kicks. Had Tazewell tied the game neither team would have won the championship because Newport News went 9-0-1 in Group 1-A games which would have been slightly better than Graham or Tazewell's once tied records but if they had tied Tazewell would have been ahead of Graham because Graham played two out of state games (Bluefield and Princeton) and Tazewell only played one out of state game (Big Creek). Out of state games did not count in the Group I-A standings win, lose or draw. In 1962 there was no such thing as going for two. It was one point if you ran the ball, passed the ball or kicked on the extra point. Two point conversion were not in high school until 1968. And lastly the only two games that Grundy lost in 1962 were to Tazewell and Graham. Deleted Account and cityofRaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 1962 records Graham 09-01 A 35-13 Marion 09-07 A 06-22 Bluefield 09-15 H 01-00 Andrew Lewis 09-21 A 32-14 Jefferson Sr Roanoke 09-28 A 07-06 Tazewell 10-06 H 33-06 Saltville 10-13 H 34-07 Grundy 10-19 A 34-13 Princeton 10-29 H 14-13 Richlands 11-03 H 52-26 Virginia High Tazewell 09-01 H 59-00 Castlewood 09-08 A 35-06 Virginia High 09-14 H 19-12 Grundy 09-21 A 01-00 Andrew Lewis 09-28 H 06-07 Graham 10-05 A 27-00 Richlands 10-12 H 59-06 Marion 10-19 A 26-13 Big Creek 11-09 A 32-00 Saltville 11-16 H 18-07 Patrick Henry Roanoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichlandsAlum 678 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 19 hours ago, Bluefield researcher said: 1962 Group 1-A final standings 01 Graham 8-0-0 9-1-0 02 Newport News 9-0-1 9-0-1 03 Great Bridge 9-0-1 9-0-1 04 E. C. Glass 5-0-1 6-3-1 05 Tazewell 7-1-0 9-1-0 06 Oscar Smith 8-1-1 8-1-1 07 W. T. Woodson 2-0-1 7-0-1 08 Lane 5-1-0 9-1-0 09 Washington-Lee 7-1-1 8-1-1 10 Hermitage 8-2-0 8-2-0 11 Princess Anne 8-2-0 8-2-0 12 Douglas Freeman 8-2-0 8-2-0 13 G. W. Alexandria 7-2-1 7-2-1 14 Thomas Dale 7-2-1 7-2-1 15 Grundy 5-2-0 8-2-0 16 G. W. Danville 5-2-0 8-2-0 17 Hopewell 7-3-0 7-3-0 18 Woodrow Wilson 7-3-0 7-3-0 19 James Madison 5-2-2 6-2-2 20 Thomas Jefferson 6-3-0 6-3-0 21 Cradock 6-3-1 6-3-1 22 McLean 6-3-1 6-3-1 23 Huguenot 3-2-0 6-3-0 24 Groveton 6-4-0 6-4-0 25 Mount Vernon 6-4-0 6-4-0 26 Hammond 6-4-0 6-4-0 27 Richlands 4-3-1 5-4-1 28 Annandale 4-4-2 4-4-2 29 JEB Stuart 4-4-1 4-5-1 30 Robert E. Lee 4-5-1 4-5-1 31 Wakefield 4-5-0 4-6-0 32 George Wythe 3-4-2 3-5-2 33 Petersburg 4-5-0 4-6-0 34 William Fleming 3-4-1 5-4-1 35 Patrick Henry 3-4-1 5-4-1 36 Homer Ferguson 3-4-0 2-5-2 37 Granby 4-6-0 4-6-0 38 Hampton 4-6-0 4-6-0 39 Jefferson, Sr. 3-5-0 4-6-0 40 York 2-4-0 5-5-0 41 Virginia High 2-4-0 2-8-0 42 Fairfax 3-7-0 3-7-0 43 Maury 3-7-0 3-7-0 44 Manchester 3-7-0 3-7-0 45 Halifax County 1-3-0 4-6-0 46 Yorktown 2-7-0 3-7-0 47 Thomas Edison 1-3-0 2-6-1 48 Warwick 2-7-1 2-7-1 49 Andrew Lewis 0-10-0 0-10-0 forfeited all 10 wins Kind of curious as to why Marion and Saltville are not included in the list, as they were both SWD members at the time. My recollection is that the VHSL had some fairly specific -- and potentially screwy -- scheduling requirements related to eligibility for the state championship in football. Is that the explanation? And is that also why Graham, Grundy, Richlands, and Tazewell played at least one team from the old Western District during those days? Great stuff as always, Bluefield researcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, RichlandsAlum said: Kind of curious as to why Marion and Saltville are not included in the list, as they were both SWD members at the time. My recollection is that the VHSL had some fairly specific -- and potentially screwy -- scheduling requirements related to eligibility for the state championship in football. Is that the explanation? And is that also why Graham, Grundy, Richlands, and Tazewell played at least one team from the old Western District during those days? Great stuff as always, Bluefield researcher. Marion and Saltville both went 1-9 in 1962 with Marion's only win coming over Saltville 14-13 at Marion in the last game of the season. The list came from the Newport News paper so perhaps they truncated the list and stuck Andrew Lewis at the bottom due to the circumstances. This makes sense since Warwick High is the last one listed before Andrew Lewis and Warwick High was in the part of Newport News that had just been annexed from the old Warwick County. Andrew Lewis was most likely lower than 49. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW_VA_boy 492 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Appearently the New River District teams (Narrows, Giles, Blacksburg, Christiansburg, Radford, Pulaski, Dublin, Wytheville, Hillsville, Galax) weren't in Group 1-A then but another level. Would love to see where Narrows fell in 1960 and 1961 (1959 and 1962 as well) in those final standings in their group. Both teams finished undefeated and actually had an All-American in 1961. Was part of a great run from 1959-1962 of a almost 40 game unbeaten streak. If you could find those standings anywhere that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the info you've found already. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted July 3, 2017 On 7/1/2017 at 3:28 PM, SW_VA_boy said: Would love to see where Narrows fell in 1960 and 1961 (1959 and 1962 as well) in those final standings in their group. Both teams finished undefeated and actually had an All-American in 1961. Was part of a great run from 1959-1962 of a almost 40 game unbeaten streak. If you could find those standings anywhere that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the info you've found already. Great stuff. That was a nice run... 1959 08-02-0 Harry Ragsdale 1960 09-00-0 Harry Ragsdale 1961 09-00-0 Harry Ragsdale 1962 09-00-0 Harry Ragsdale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 On 7/1/2017 at 3:28 PM, SW_VA_boy said: Appearently the New River District teams (Narrows, Giles, Blacksburg, Christiansburg, Radford, Pulaski, Dublin, Wytheville, Hillsville, Galax) weren't in Group 1-A then but another level. Would love to see where Narrows fell in 1960 and 1961 (1959 and 1962 as well) in those final standings in their group. Both teams finished undefeated and actually had an All-American in 1961. Was part of a great run from 1959-1962 of a almost 40 game unbeaten streak. If you could find those standings anywhere that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the info you've found already. Great stuff. The New River District did not play Group I-A during this time. There were no state standings for non Group 1-A teams. Obviously Narrows was New River champions in 1960-61-62. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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