john marshall girls team

[stan.the.man 29]

I saw on the VHSL page brackets they beat Page County 103-44.  Have they created a super team for the girls program as well???

[otnorot 16]

I saw them early in the season. They are good and getting better but not like the boys team. Wouldn't be a contender in one of the larger classes. Their best player went to Courtland two years ago and a private school last year. Plays for Team Loaded of course.

[1inStripes 932]

44 minutes ago, stan.the.man said:

I saw on the VHSL page brackets they beat Page County 103-44.  Have they created a super team for the girls program as well???

From what I heard this week…that’s the idea they have put in place. 

[swva_havok_fan 1,261]

At the Dobyns-Bennett/Wise Central game this year, a Central parent told me that this was the case.  That they were loading up the girls team like they had the boys.

[sixcat 2,919]

13 hours ago, stan.the.man said:

Have they created a super team for the girls program as well???

 

12 hours ago, 1inStripes said:

From what I heard this week…that’s the idea they have put in place. 

I won't say too much because it's really not my tale to tell. I assume, since the person that told me is the girls father, it's not a secret of some kind. Just in case, I'll leave out names and schools to help protect the innocent. 

A friend of mine has a daughter that's 6'-3" tall and signed a full scholarship over a year ago to play D1 basketball in the Atlantic 10 Conference. She started and averaged 15 PPG as a freshman at a high school in this region before transferring to a VISAA member school. At which time, she reclassified and repeated her freshman season because, private schools can play 5 years of varsity basketball. She has averaged better than 16 PPG every season in the VISAA against stiffer competition. For a girl her size, she plays all 5 positions on the floor!!! This season she led her team in assists, rebounds, blocks, steals, FG percentage and was 2nd in scoring and 3 point FG percentage.  

Last summer, she was approached about joining Team Loaded and transferring to JM. The family considered it briefly until the fine folks that requested she join TL and JM found out she had already played a year of basketball in VHSL and 3 years in VISAA, making her ineligible for further VHSL competition. Then they wouldn't give her the time of day!!!

[BandanaVTDavis4321 1,717]

The answer to the first question is yes, Yes, John Marshall has put into place the same program for the girls.  Is it there yet?  Nope.  It is state championship winnable at this point?  Yep.  Is it good enough to win all 6 Classifications yet?  Nope, but......it will be soon.  Nationally Ranked yet?  Not hardly, but again.....it's about 2 to 3 years away.  In 2 years, but to be sure, about 3 years, you will see a John Marshall girls team similarly as dominant as the boys.  They are on rapid trajectory and that will be evident by a state title this year and you can see on Maxpreps the previous scores and margins from say.......3 years ago until day.......those margins and wins are rapidly widening by the year.

[PackDadx4 11]

I assume our representatives are not doing anything about this and if not has there been any push to change this? 

[swva_havok_fan 1,261]

23 minutes ago, PackDadx4 said:

I assume our representatives are not doing anything about this and if not has there been any push to change this? 

Scotty Vermillion was very outspoken about JM a few years ago when Gate City were the Justices victim that year.  Now that the girls program is doing the same... I will be very interested in hearing coach Dotson's take IF they first get past Ridgeview AND IF they lose to JM as bad as most people are beginning to realize is the very real possibility.

[TwhscoachT 162]

5 minutes ago, swva_havok_fan said:

Scotty Vermillion was very outspoken about JM a few years ago when Gate City were the Justices victim that year.  Now that the girls program is doing the same... I will be very interested in hearing coach Dotson's take IF they first get past Ridgeview AND IF they lose to JM as bad as most people are beginning to realize is the very real possibility.

JM girls look the part. Transitive property says they will lose by 30

[Gridiron60 2,555]

JM could sweep Class AA boys & girls! They might as well become a gloried prep school and just travel the nation playing likewise programs. If they had any ethics, they’d petition to play up to 6A. That’s where they belong if they’re going to be a public school. It would at least more competitive for them. 

[stan.the.man 29]

27 minutes ago, swva_havok_fan said:

Scotty Vermillion was very outspoken about JM a few years ago when Gate City were the Justices victim that year.  Now that the girls program is doing the same... I will be very interested in hearing coach Dotson's take IF they first get past Ridgeview AND IF they lose to JM as bad as most people are beginning to realize is the very real possibility.

so your saying dotson is getting a taste of his own medicine!!!  lol

[swva_havok_fan 1,261]

1 minute ago, stan.the.man said:

so your saying dotson is getting a taste of his own medicine!!!  lol

Lol... I didn't come out and say that, but the thought had crossed my mind.  And for the record, I like Robin and am not ashamed to say he's the wizard of high school basketball coaches in SWVA.

I mean... we're seeing it everywhere these days....

Star player transfers from one Cumberland school to another and plays against her former school in the same week.

In upper east Tennessee, a girl transferred to a Knoxville private school right before the season started, realized quickly she was going to be a little fish in a big pond, so transferred back.... before January and played immediately.

It's not just JM.... it's beginning to happen everywhere.  Ridgeview girls may be the only team left in the postseason where all of their players were born and raised in the area they play.

[Bcats 8]

16 minutes ago, Gridiron60 said:

JM could sweep Class AA boys & girls! They might as well become a gloried prep school and just travel the nation playing likewise programs. If they had any ethics, they’d petition to play up to 6A. That’s where they belong if they’re going to be a public school. It would at least more competitive for them. 

This just my personal opinion and I could be wrong cause I've never spoke to the head coach at jm ever, I think he really doesn't care about these 2a championships, I believe he's trying to build his resume, getting national coach of the year last season along with multiple 2a titles, then interviewing for a d1 program they're going to look at his accolades he's heading for the big pay day, then he'll leave jm in the dust, it's just sad at the moment the rest of 2a has to suffer right now until he gets where he's going 

[BandanaVTDavis4321 1,717]

57 minutes ago, Gridiron60 said:

JM could sweep Class AA boys & girls! They might as well become a gloried prep school and just travel the nation playing likewise programs. If they had any ethics, they’d petition to play up to 6A. That’s where they belong if they’re going to be a public school. It would at least more competitive for them. 

The girls aren't ready yet. They will be in about 2 to 3 years ready for class 6. There are about 15, maybe up to 25 schools in VA girls right now that would beat them. I think they have losses to Deep Run and a severe beating (around 30 pts) by LC Bird this year within Virginia. 

The boys coach at JM is also a good floor coach and that goes with the great talent. I don't know about the girls coach on floor coaching ability. 

With these successful and dominant open enrollment HS coaches with AAU and D1, sports agents connections in cities or large suburbs, they usually move on after 5 dominant years to the next level, and the dynasty moves onto some other High School. Charlotte, NC, in HS football is the perfect example as well as Texas, and in the Northeast in HS basketball.

[BlueDevil4Life2008 35]

21 hours ago, sixcat said:

 

I won't say too much because it's really not my tale to tell. I assume, since the person that told me is the girls father, it's not a secret of some kind. Just in case, I'll leave out names and schools to help protect the innocent. 

A friend of mine has a daughter that's 6'-3" tall and signed a full scholarship over a year ago to play D1 basketball in the Atlantic 10 Conference. She started and averaged 15 PPG as a freshman at a high school in this region before transferring to a VISAA member school. At which time, she reclassified and repeated her freshman season because, private schools can play 5 years of varsity basketball. She has averaged better than 16 PPG every season in the VISAA against stiffer competition. For a girl her size, she plays all 5 positions on the floor!!! This season she led her team in assists, rebounds, blocks, steals, FG percentage and was 2nd in scoring and 3 point FG percentage.  

Last summer, she was approached about joining Team Loaded and transferring to JM. The family considered it briefly until the fine folks that requested she join TL and JM found out she had already played a year of basketball in VHSL and 3 years in VISAA, making her ineligible for further VHSL competition. Then they wouldn't give her the time of day!!!

 

You know....its one thing for a person to transfer from Richlands to Abingdon      Transfer from Grundy to Wise.   Transfer from Lebanon to Honaker.   

Getting 4 and 5 star players from out of state.   Different ball game.  

 

But if you ask Ty White how they get players from North Carolina, New York City, Baltimore, Georgia or wherever else you will probably hear crickets.  

(You guys can make your own assumptions from this info.) 

Judge for yourself. 

https://opendorse.com/profile/jason-rivera-torres  -  Jason Rivera Torres

https://vucommodores.com/roster/jason-rivera-torres/   Jason Rivera Torres

https://gopack.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/dennis-parker, jr./12407   Dennis Parker Jr. 

https://richmondfreepress.com/news/2023/jun/22/dennis-parker-jrs-ascension-nc-state-fueled-academ/   Dennis Parker Jr. 

https://vcuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/roosevelt-wheeler/4819  Roosevelt Wheeler for VCU   down at bottom of page   "I wear number 4 because I come from the 404 and the 804"  The 404 area code is Atlanta, Georgia.

https://richmondfreepress.com/news/2019/jan/18/sophomore-roosevelt-wheeler-john-marshall-highs-ta/  -  Roosevelt Wheeler

https://richmondfreepress.com/news/2020/nov/19/jms-roosevelt-wheeler-chooses-louisville/  Roosevelt Wheeler

Some background is in order.

Wheeler grew up in Atlanta before moving to Hampton. He later moved with his mother, Deborah Davis, from Hampton to Richmond’s North Side prior to last school year. He went directly from Hampton’s Lindsey Middle School to John Marshall High’s state championship varsity a year ago.

Last summer, Wheeler was a dominant force on Team Loaded AAU that posted a 40-0 record while claiming a national title.

https://247sports.com/player/latrell-allmond-46134994/  - Latrell Almond originally from North Carolina

https://prephoops.com/2021/11/top-100-latrell-almond-north-carolina/  Latrell Almond  Southern Pines, North Carolina / O'Neal Prep School / Team Loaded NC

https://vcuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jason-nelson/4820   Jason Nelson for VCU  

https://hamptonpirates.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/elijah-seward/4749  Elijah Seward  Hampton

https://prephoops.com/2017/04/vhsl-freshman-state-teams/   Elijah Seward

https://prephoops.com/2018/12/prospect-spotlight-elijah-seward-2020/  Elijah Seward

 

Team Loaded Foundation   

 

Jack Herron  @jwherron10  Jan 25 2019  on Twitter  - D1s need to forget about his height. I'm buying stock in 2021 Jason Nelson of Varina.  Every time I see him he impresses me more and more. Shot the ball well, made good decisions. 6-1 ATO tonight. Smart, tough, skilled, HOOPER

 

 

 

 

[Gridiron60 2,555]

1 hour ago, BlueDevil4Life2008 said:

 

You know....its one thing for a person to transfer from Richlands to Abingdon      Transfer from Grundy to Wise.   Transfer from Lebanon to Honaker.   

Getting 4 and 5 star players from out of state.   Different ball game.  

 

But if you ask Ty White how they get players from North Carolina, New York City, Baltimore, Georgia or wherever else you will probably hear crickets.  

(You guys can make your own assumptions from this info.) 

Judge for yourself. 

https://opendorse.com/profile/jason-rivera-torres  -  Jason Rivera Torres

https://vucommodores.com/roster/jason-rivera-torres/   Jason Rivera Torres

https://gopack.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/dennis-parker, jr./12407   Dennis Parker Jr. 

https://richmondfreepress.com/news/2023/jun/22/dennis-parker-jrs-ascension-nc-state-fueled-academ/   Dennis Parker Jr. 

https://vcuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/roosevelt-wheeler/4819  Roosevelt Wheeler for VCU   down at bottom of page   "I wear number 4 because I come from the 404 and the 804"  The 404 area code is Atlanta, Georgia.

https://richmondfreepress.com/news/2019/jan/18/sophomore-roosevelt-wheeler-john-marshall-highs-ta/  -  Roosevelt Wheeler

https://richmondfreepress.com/news/2020/nov/19/jms-roosevelt-wheeler-chooses-louisville/  Roosevelt Wheeler

Some background is in order.

Wheeler grew up in Atlanta before moving to Hampton. He later moved with his mother, Deborah Davis, from Hampton to Richmond’s North Side prior to last school year. He went directly from Hampton’s Lindsey Middle School to John Marshall High’s state championship varsity a year ago.

Last summer, Wheeler was a dominant force on Team Loaded AAU that posted a 40-0 record while claiming a national title.

https://247sports.com/player/latrell-allmond-46134994/  - Latrell Almond originally from North Carolina

https://prephoops.com/2021/11/top-100-latrell-almond-north-carolina/  Latrell Almond  Southern Pines, North Carolina / O'Neal Prep School / Team Loaded NC

https://vcuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jason-nelson/4820   Jason Nelson for VCU  

https://hamptonpirates.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/elijah-seward/4749  Elijah Seward  Hampton

https://prephoops.com/2017/04/vhsl-freshman-state-teams/   Elijah Seward

https://prephoops.com/2018/12/prospect-spotlight-elijah-seward-2020/  Elijah Seward

 

Team Loaded Foundation   

 

Jack Herron  @jwherron10  Jan 25 2019  on Twitter  - D1s need to forget about his height. I'm buying stock in 2021 Jason Nelson of Varina.  Every time I see him he impresses me more and more. Shot the ball well, made good decisions. 6-1 ATO tonight. Smart, tough, skilled, HOOPER

 

 

 

 

Good links to support your statement! Anyone trying to compare what JM does to SWVA kids going across town, neighboring county, or if they live on border county going to VA/WV/KY/TN is mixing apples & oranges. Was it last year that JM had one singular kid that was truly a kid from the area originally? I think a couple posters hit the nail on the head! JM coach is padding his resumè to move on to bigger & better things. 

[Gridiron60 2,555]

1 hour ago, BandanaVTDavis4321 said:

The girls aren't ready yet. They will be in about 2 to 3 years ready for class 6. There are about 15, maybe up to 25 schools in VA girls right now that would beat them. I think they have losses to Deep Run and a severe beating (around 30 pts) by LC Bird this year within Virginia. 

The boys coach at JM is also a good floor coach and that goes with the great talent. I don't know about the girls coach on floor coaching ability. 

With these successful and dominant open enrollment HS coaches with AAU and D1, sports agents connections in cities or large suburbs, they usually move on after 5 dominant years to the next level, and the dynasty moves onto some other High School. Charlotte, NC, in HS football is the perfect example as well as Texas, and in the Northeast in HS basketball.

I hope whichever girls’ team wins Friday night goes to Richmond and puts a whooping on JM. Nothing against JM girls’ personally, they’re kids just situational desire to see them get beat, lol! 

[BandanaVTDavis4321 1,717]

I understand the mindset and morality of playing JM because you are not going to prevent a great one time moment for a 15, 16, 17 or 18 year old kid in their High School State Title game and you aren't going to withhold that from your school and fans.  I understand that.  I respect that, but...........at some point.......at some time......what is going on at JM which is being ALLOWED by the VHSL crosses into the threshold of social justice.  I don't know what that point is.  I truly don't, but I do know we are getting close, and coming at this from a morality perspective, we cross over the threshold of the moral thing to do and ensuring your team plays to.........NOT letting them play, withdrawing, not playing the game, and the lesson here is not just for the kids on the team, but the town, the fans, the alums, and all other Class 2 schools taking notice that School B just stepped up and made a statement.  They are SICK of TOLERATING bad behavior and are SICK of bad behavior being allowed by the VHSL. 

[BandanaVTDavis4321 1,717]

Central Wise and Ridgeview can likely play with JM's girls this year.  I would favor JM by 10 over Central.  With 10 points, you still have a chance.  Central would have a chance for sure.  You may see John Marshall's girls have a game within 15 points with Strasburg who is pretty tough in the semi's.  This year, 2023-24 will be the last shot at beating JM's girls in Class 2.  This is it.  Next year and for the years that follow (unless something changes with the program) not Class 2 school will beat them in girls hoops.  Their trajectory continues to be straight up.

[BlueDevil4Life2008 35]

Is the vHSL scared of Ty White?  It sure seems like it to me.   

He can run that program and Team Loaded however he wants with no repercussions. 

Ty White can say that he wants the best for all those kids.  Do all of the coaches in Southwest, Northern, Central or Easter Virginia not want the best for their kids?  Are they just there for that hefty coaching supplment?

You have JM kids going and playing in the Addidas Gauntlet during the summers for Team Loaded..... then all the contacts with other Team Loaded teams from other states gives the lowdown on other quality AAU players from their states who may be up and comers and a great "fit" for JM. 

In other Class 2 schools, you have athletes who are not just playing basketball.  They are playing football, maybe baseball....maybe all three.  You have athletes who have to "go get that money" as well.... by having summer jobs to help their families make ends meet or to help pay for car insurance or whatever.    

You know....there are a lot of quality athletes in Class 2 schools.  Quality people too.  What sets Class 1 and Class 2 apart for me from the rest of the classes in Virginia is that the idea of community is strong because you have these teams that are homegrown.  Athletes that are coached and developed from youth leagues and middle school and JV teams.  Because that's the only athletes they have.  Now with what Ty White is doing with John Marshall, you have the VHSL saying that "yes...its ok to go out and "recruit" and build your superteam.  Whatever that may be.  

And the VHSL has allowed them to set that precedent.  Ty White can say....but my kids...they need a break.  My kids are working hard for what they get.  My kids are great people and great citizens.  

So the rest of the state is just a load of crap Ty?   Your kids deserve more perks and benefits than what these communities of about 10000 people or less deserve compared to Richmond which has probably more people than some of the Class 2 communities combined? 

Ty White can make it sound oh so good.  He is coach of the year for what he does for JM and the Richmond area.  Great!  That's all fine and dandy.  

I want some reporter to flat out have the guts to ask him....how do players like Latrell Almond, Jason Rivera Torres, Roosevelt Wheeler among others find their way to JM from out of state? 

And for all those JM supporters out there who say JM doesn't need to be with these low class Class 2 schools..... your character is what you do when people around you aren't watching you.  

I went with a friend of mine to watch JM.  To get the experience.  The fans were so condescending about "having to play this terrible brand of Class 2 basketball".   That "they were way better and deserved way better" than what they were playing.  

I just had to shake my head.   I wanted to say, "Well buddy.... if our coaches could recruit from out of state AAU teams the way your coach grabs players you wouldn't be having this problem."  But I kept my mouth shut.  

Which is what the VHSL is doing also.  

I say if that's how the VHSL wants to run the state  just declassify the entire state to one class.  Let's just become Kentucky.  One class.  16 regions.  That way Southwest Virginia has a definite spot in the Sweet 16 for the state championships.  If we get beat we get beat but we have a shot to play for it all.  Might as well.  The VHSL has now turned basketball into the Old West.  Those with the best guns win.  And if you can't win with the guns you have...you hire them in.   

I just want one team to walk on the floor of the Siegel Center and walk over to Ty White with a grin on their face and say, "I'm your Huckleberry."   And let things roll how they will.   That is what it is going to take.   End of story. 

[sixcat 2,919]

1 hour ago, BlueDevil4Life2008 said:

Is the vHSL scared of Ty White?  It sure seems like it to me.   

I don't think this issue is that simple. The LCA lawsuit against VHSL was shocking to the system for an organization that had quite literally, never been challenged before. To lose that lawsuit in glaring fashion has sent VHSL reeling and they have absolutely no idea how to put the toothpaste back in the tube. 

I've said it before and I will say it again, nothing is stopping any other program in Virginia from doing exactly what JM and/or Ty White is doing. Especially not VHSL at the present time.

[stan.the.man 29]

40 minutes ago, sixcat said:

I don't think this issue is that simple. The LCA lawsuit against VHSL was shocking to the system for an organization that had quite literally, never been challenged before. To lose that lawsuit in glaring fashion has sent VHSL reeling and they have absolutely no idea how to put the toothpaste back in the tube. 

I've said it before and I will say it again, nothing is stopping any other program in Virginia from doing exactly what JM and/or Ty White is doing. Especially not VHSL at the present time.

the VHSL is out for the VHSL and nothing else,  they will not spend money to fight any of these lawsuits!!!!  They could stop all of this if they wanted,  If there not willing to do what is right then they need to fold and reorganize into another league!!!  Also there may not be any money there to fight this as well!!!

[stan.the.man 29]

5 hours ago, swva_havok_fan said:

Lol... I didn't come out and say that, but the thought had crossed my mind.  And for the record, I like Robin and am not ashamed to say he's the wizard of high school basketball coaches in SWVA.

I mean... we're seeing it everywhere these days....

Star player transfers from one Cumberland school to another and plays against her former school in the same week.

In upper east Tennessee, a girl transferred to a Knoxville private school right before the season started, realized quickly she was going to be a little fish in a big pond, so transferred back.... before January and played immediately.

It's not just JM.... it's beginning to happen everywhere.  Ridgeview girls may be the only team left in the postseason where all of their players were born and raised in the area they play.

I totally agree,  all this transfer issues are getting out of hand!!!  several schools in the area have benefitted significantly from this practice and some coaches have been guilty of recruiting these local players!!

[sixcat 2,919]

4 minutes ago, stan.the.man said:

the VHSL is out for the VHSL and nothing else,  they will not spend money to fight any of these lawsuits!!!!  They could stop all of this if they wanted,  If there not willing to do what is right then they need to fold and reorganize into another league!!!  Also there may not be any money there to fight this as well!!!

I still don't think it's that simple. The LCA court ruling makes it a virtual impossibility that VHSL can reprimand anyone for recruiting. If LCA is allowed to participate in VHSL activities without having to give up it's ability to recruit anyone from anywhere, VHSL can't stop anyone else from doing so.

As I said in another thread, I urge anyone to go read and watch YouTube videos about how this has played out in Pennsylvania. We're exactly where they were in 2018.

[BandanaVTDavis4321 1,717]

54 minutes ago, sixcat said:

I've said it before and I will say it again, nothing is stopping any other program in Virginia from doing exactly what JM and/or Ty White is doing. Especially not VHSL at the present time.

I agree 100% on this.  The thing going in Ty White and JM's favor is the open enrollment thing in Richmond.  That's a gigantic variable that separates a school like JM which is RARE.....very RARE....think about it......a small school (Class 1 or 2) that is within a city of over 200 or 250Kish.  You just don't see that, so even with open enrollment and the AAU connections and basically recruitment (which is kind of legal) they compete in Class 2.  In almost 90% percent or more of the country, the school within the large city would compete at the highest or one of the highest levels like Class 5 or 6.  I'm still not sure how the he** John Marshall and Thomas Jefferson haven't combined yet in Richmond, but oh well.  It's just weird and all the circumstances for John Marshall to dominate come together like the swiss cheese model.

1.  Open Enrollment City.  2.  By incredible odds, it's a small school that is public that is located within a 250kish city, so it competes in Class 2.  3.  Richmond has an AAU team.  4.  The AAU coach is the coach of the local HS team.  5.  It's located off or near I-95 (easy to travel to the Northeast and Southeast for tournaments.  6.  The VHSL lost the lawsuit to Liberty.  Everything just seems to line up.  If John Marshall was playing Class 6, which would be normal for most schools inside a large city  (see Hampton Roads and NOVA) then there's a chance at competition or at least some kind of a battle in the state semi's or state finals.  The circumstances are just lined up and perfect.