Could you please specify if you are talking about the program as a whole or the people in charge of it. Those boys go out every damn Friday night and give it their all, they can't help what play calls are sent in, what position they have been task to play(some who have never played their position before) because Ginn did not let them try out for positions he just picked where everyone would play, or they fact that he doesn't believe in conditioning or playing guys on both O and D. There are several players who read these threads on here and don't need to hear negative things about their team all the time. Bottom line is we got handed a Coach who if you take away his GVSU time has little to no success anywhere else. I had a player tell me that all Ginn did was talk about coaching college and how great he was and that kid said I just wish he would try and coach us. These kids know they have been handed a raw deal but they go out every week and give it their all. The only way to put out the fire is to get a new Principal, AD, and a coach who cares about this program because I truly believe who we have now do not give one shit about it but we all know that isn't going to happen. I'll leave with this Ginn has said several times in front of parents and players that he isn't here to win games he's here to build character, well the last time I checked winning football games was a pretty big deal.