sixcat 2,922 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Blatant horsecollar. Is than not a penalty in high school?? National Federation rules are strange at best for this rule. Very different than the college or pro rule. Basically in a nutshell, the offensive player has to fall backward, the hand must be all the way inside the pad, the act of the hand in the pad and the fall backward have to be the act that brings the ball carrier to the ground and if another defensive player assists on the tackle in any way, it negates the horsecollar. This is the most misunderstood rule you will ever see on a Friday night. Followed closely by uncatchable/pass interference. There is no uncatchable rule in high school. I hate that rule the way it is written for high school football. First time ive ever seen a ref actually argue back and forth with the fans lol he claimed it was the sholder and not a horsecollar it was funny listening to him argue with the fans when he did not throw the flag. One thing i did get disgusted with the radio guy on the sidelines i think his name is LT he starts giving the ref down the road too LT leave the harassing the refs to the fans and do your job my man. If he indeed did have the shoulder, it is not a horsecollar by the definition of the National Federation of State High School Associations. I hate the way it is written for high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1bluedemons 10 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 its never a heartbreak when salem loses .even though cburg might lose next week glads they lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1bluedemons 10 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 41-20 cburg final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublue 939 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 timesland roanoke.com sports Some of next week's matchups: Magna Vista vs Christiansburg, Northside vs Brookville, Cave Spring vs Richlands, Dan River vs Wilson Memorial Great State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,557 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If he indeed did have the shoulder, it is not a horsecollar by the definition of the National Federation of State High School Associations. I hate the way it is written for high school. It wasn't the shoulder. Nor the pad. He had both hands around the jersey at the back. And pretty much just fell to the ground, causing McGlothlan to fly backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wave316 64 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 timesland roanoke.com sports George Wythe scored twice in the last 1:50 to win 22-10 over Radford. They will host next Saturday at 2 p.m. Great State How did they score their final td? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat 2,922 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 It wasn't the shoulder. Nor the pad. He had both hands around the jersey at the back. And pretty much just fell to the ground, causing McGlothlan to fly backwards. Now see, to me that should be a horsecollar and would be in college or pro if he was pulled down backward by the jersey. Unfortunately, the way the high school rule is written, the hand must be in the pad, not just the jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,557 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Now see, to me that should be a horsecollar and would be in college or pro if he was pulled down backward by the jersey. Unfortunately, the way the high school rule is written, the hand must be in the pad, not just the jersey. Fair enough. I think it should be too. But it is what it is. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwloyal 192 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 How did they score their final td? TD run up the gut by Hunter Tolley on 3rd and 4. A first down would've iced it and Radford was using timeouts to try and get the ball back, but Tolley broke in the clear. Not sure how far out the run was. 30-ish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBlueAlum 12 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If he indeed did have the shoulder, it is not a horsecollar by the definition of the National Federation of State High School Associations. I hate the way it is written for high school. I was working the concession stand and happened to be watching the TV when this play happened. Our camera guy had the camera zoomed in on this play, so I got a really good view of it. It was definitely a horse collar. He didn't have the shoulder, he grabbed inside the of the collar of his shoulder pads. It was a textbook horse collar, IMO. I was baffled that there wasn't a flag on the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat 2,922 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I was working the concession stand and happened to be watching the TV when this play happened. Our camera guy had the camera zoomed in on this play, so I got a really good view of it. It was definitely a horse collar. He didn't have the shoulder, he grabbed inside the of the collar of his shoulder pads. It was a textbook horse collar, IMO. I was baffled that there wasn't a flag on the play. If the player is inside the pad, it's a horsecollar. I just wish the Federation would allow the referees to make judgement calls in that situation instead of trying to clearly define a horsecollar. Most people know what a horsecollar is when they see it but it's not easy to define. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbgfan 856 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I was working the concession stand and happened to be watching the TV when this play happened. Our camera guy had the camera zoomed in on this play, so I got a really good view of it. It was definitely a horse collar. He didn't have the shoulder, he grabbed inside the of the collar of his shoulder pads. It was a textbook horse collar, IMO. I was baffled that there wasn't a flag on the play. From where I was sitting --it did appear to be a horsecollar. One call I didn't agree with that the refs flagged Tunstall for--was the intentional grounding by QB. Appeared the ball was tipped and it caused the trajectory of the ball to go out of bounds with no Tunstall player close. Life has many choices---eternity two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Honaker 19, Burton 12, h/t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Clintwood up 20-0 on Chilhowie. Early 2nd qt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Honaker 26 J.I. Burton 20 -8:16 to go in 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Clintwood 27 Chilhowie 0 -3:01 to go in 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Tigers 33-20 after 3... but Burton's inside the 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Another Greenwave score... Clintwood up 34-0 with 1:19 to go in the 2nd qt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Clintwood 34 Chilhowie 0 -halftime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 932 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If the player is inside the pad, it's a horsecollar. I just wish the Federation would allow the referees to make judgement calls in that situation instead of trying to clearly define a horsecollar. Most people know what a horsecollar is when they see it but it's not easy to define. NFHS is clearly defining it, and taking less judgement out of it, which is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) back Edited November 19, 2011 by VHSLhelper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Burton took the lead, but Honaker answered... Both teams had a failed try for 2. Hon. up 39-34, 5:30 left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Clintwood up 41-0, early 3rd qt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHSLhelper 571 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 F : Honaker 39, J.I. Burton 34 Raiders failed to convert a 4th & 7 at the Honaker 22 with :58 left Tigers will play at Galax next weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan 21 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Congratulations to Honaker for the win, and to Burton for a good season and tough fight today. Should be an entertaining game next week against Galax. J Honaker ran for a bunch and it will be interesting to see how he does against the Galax D line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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