Outrageous?

[trublue 939]

The same thing George Bush,Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter did, be the govenor of a state.........

 

 

Also, the great Ronald Reagan.

 

"Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." R Reagan

 

"The taxpayer- that's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination." R Reagan

 

"Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them." R Reagan

 

"Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets." R Reagan

 

"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few shorts phrases:

If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." R Reagan

 

" The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." R Reagan

 

"There are no easy answers but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what is morally right." R Reagan

 

"Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure." R Reagan

Edited October 5, 2008 by trublue

[blueinbama 259]

The same thing George Bush,Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter did, be the govenor of a state.........

All much much more than Obama has done.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

Palin is one heart beat away from being President of the United States. What has she done to be qualified for that position?

 

Please, PLEASE tell us what Barack Obama has done? (Please refrain from using the word inspire.)

 

Ive already told you what Palin has done...

 

Secondly, Palin is well qualified.

 

She has been the state goverrnor for two years and has a 85% approval rating.

 

She has taken the profits from the natural resources, such as oil, and given back to the population. $1,200 dollars to each eligible citizen.

 

She is building a pipline that alaskan citizens have been waiting for over 25+ years.

 

The former governor bought a private jet for use. Taxpayers paid for it. Palin sold it.

 

She has Tripled Special Ed Funding.

 

http://www.swvasports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12858

 

I would like too add that she has gone up against big oil companies, and succeeded. She also has a 86% approval rating now. That should speak for itself and proves it isnt about the VP hype.

[bluefieldRocks 14]

Palin is George W. Bush in a skirt.

[GmanFan 21]

People say we need somebody new in Washington, not the same old folks. Why not Palin? Seems to me experience doesn't count. Many congressman have been there for years, and lots of folks say things never change.

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People say we need somebody new in Washington, not the same old folks. Why not Palin? Seems to me experience doesn't count. Many congressman have been there for years, and lots of folks say things never change.

 

Exactly correct. Since Congressmen will never, ever vote themselves out of their jobs via term limits, the people have to stand up and clean house. If people don't like the president (32% approval rating) or their Congressmen (16% approval rating), vote them out!

 

Too bad the majority of Americans think like this: "Congress is terrible, but MY Congressman isn't that bad!". Yes, SWVA is as guilty of this as any region. Thus, a 90% reelection rate, on average.

Edited October 9, 2008 by UVAObserver

[trublue 939]

Well......(shades of R. Reagan) that sweet wonderful group, Acorn, is trying to help ya'll out. They're making sure everyone is getting registered to vote.....and being so helpful;....they're gitting all them good folks that have "never exercised their right" to vote by registering them numerous times. Heard them Dallas Cowboys were all registered to vote in Vegas and 'em OH buckeyes are getting help too....along w/other states that have "failed" to get these good ppl registered. Isn't it wonderful we have such an organization that is watching out for the American ppl.....and if you can't/won't make the effort ....they'll do it for ya. Change is "acoming"......

Edited October 9, 2008 by trublue

[mountainman74 12]

I dont agree with frau, and I hope they get it straightened out, however there are good people trying to get new people registered as well. The last 2 elections were won through fraud by the republicans. Florida was handed to Bush twice. Blacks were intimidated in the northern Panhandle towns, and this is a fact. I dont agree with any fraud, and I hope they straighten it out, but America's poor has never really had a fair shake at voting, and now they will turn out in record numbers, and we will never hear the end of the complaints from the far right.

[bhs7695 185]

Is it true that Obama as a college student in 1979 had two room mates from Pakistan?

[blueinbama 259]

Quote from Mountainman74: "Blacks were intimidated in the northern Panhandle towns, and this is a fact".

 

You're trying to tell me that in Northern Florida in 2004 blacks were intimidated? That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Have you been to the panhandle of Florida lately? Please don't spew this ignorance and expect intelligent people to believe it. There is absolutely no truth to this whatsoever, and this kind of irresponsible trash is inexcusable.

Edited October 10, 2008 by blueinbama

[mountainman74 12]

Sure have been there. I lived in Florida 6 years. The towns that were reported were Perry Fl, Monticello,Madison,Starke, Marianna, and Live Oak. These areas of Florida are amoung the most racial in the country. Go to the southern Poverty web site and find out yourself. I dont spew ignorance. Ive always kept up with things like this. Klan, and skinhead populations in Florida are enormous. Dont call me a liar ole boy, I aint got no reason to make something like that up. IT HAPPENED!

[blueinbama 259]

Sure have been there. I lived in Florida 6 years. The towns that were reported were Perry Fl, Monticello,Madison,Starke, Marianna, and Live Oak. These areas of Florida are amoung the most racial in the country. Go to the southern Poverty web site and find out yourself. I dont spew ignorance. Ive always kept up with things like this. Klan, and skinhead populations in Florida are enormous. Dont call me a liar ole boy, I aint got no reason to make something like that up. IT HAPPENED!

 

I'm not calling you a liar, OLE BOY, I'm saying you're wrong, and extremely gullible to believe such nonsense. There are always reports from liberal troublemakers who constantly want to keep this kind of crap stirred up, but there is absolutely no truth to it whatsoever, and never any proof. To say that Klan and skinhead populations in Florida are ENORMOUS is a gross exaggeration. These groups are all but dead. There are small pockets of these people everywhere, but they have no clout, and they are no longer feared by anyone, much less the black population in northern Florida. Your accusations are baseless and unfounded, and anyone with any knowledge of the facts sees through this trash and laughs at people who entertain such ignorance. I lived in Florida too, the Northern Panhandle to be exact, and your view of this area is totally wrong. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

Edited October 11, 2008 by blueinbama

[bulldogger 10]

Right there is my hero, u fight for your rights bud, go get um

[mountainman74 12]

You are nieve if you think these groups are "all but dead". Ive spent quite a bit of time in these places. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt mean Im wrong. Voter supression happened in Florida, and mainly in the areas I mentioned. The small towns I mentioned are still greatly segegated, and openly racial(both sides). You must live in a different world, or just never made it out of Tallahassee. I was born and raised in Giles county, moved to Florida to work, and married a Black woman, who has family there, so I know 1st hand of these accounts. Plus there are severals towns there where we were not welcome. So how are you going to say my image of this area is Wrong. Its my image, not yours. Im not a liberal, but a union proud democrat. The liberal media has its problems, but if it werent for that same liberal media exposing some wrong doing, people would still be living under Jim Crow. Thats whats wrong with the republican party now, and people like you. They think things are fine, (like in your world) while other folks might have a different story. People can laugh if they want, Im just reporting somethin that did happen. If you dont agree, then just quit posting back. Stick to Richlands football.

[blueinbama 259]

You are nieve if you think these groups are "all but dead". Ive spent quite a bit of time in these places. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt mean Im wrong. Voter supression happened in Florida, and mainly in the areas I mentioned. The small towns I mentioned are still greatly segegated, and openly racial(both sides). You must live in a different world, or just never made it out of Tallahassee. I was born and raised in Giles county, moved to Florida to work, and married a Black woman, who has family there, so I know 1st hand of these accounts. Plus there are severals towns there where we were not welcome. So how are you going to say my image of this area is Wrong. Its my image, not yours. Im not a liberal, but a union proud democrat. The liberal media has its problems, but if it werent for that same liberal media exposing some wrong doing, people would still be living under Jim Crow. Thats whats wrong with the republican party now, and people like you. They think things are fine, (like in your world) while other folks might have a different story. People can laugh if they want, Im just reporting somethin that did happen. If you dont agree, then just quit posting back. Stick to Richlands football.

There are towns all over America where you and your wife will be discriminated against, and that's WRONG. I understand a little better why your view of the world is different than mine now, but that doesn't make it right. I'm not going to just crawl in a hole and stop posting back because I don't agree with you. The race card is all too often played when something doesn't quite work out, and voter fraud did not decide the 2004 election. If Barak Hussein Obama loses this election, liberals all over America will be crying foul just like they did in 2000 and 2004. There's always something racial to blame it on, and frankly I'm sick of hearing it.

 

If you want to read about true voter registration fraud, check out the liberal group "ACORN". There have been discoveries of voter registration fraud by this liberal organization. These people are registering the same people 10 or more times, using names of professional football and baseball players, etc. I'm sure you've heard bits of this on the news. You won't hear nearly as much about this as you would about the number of houses or cars that John McCain owns, because the liberal media is biased. Here's a link for you...check it out.

 

Here's one quote from the article: "He reports that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for Democratic ones". There's some voter fraud for you.

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/10-13-2004/0002275937&EDATE

 

Liberals are always crying about how Republicans are for the rich, and how people that own business should be taxed more than anyone else, and that anyone who has been successful in their life and become self sufficient by their hard work should be penalized by paying more taxes. I disagree with this philosophy viamently. Ironically a large percentage of Americans are employed by these very successful people that most liberals hate, and that is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It makes no sense to me. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter.

Edited October 11, 2008 by blueinbama

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

There are towns all over America where you and your wife will be discriminated against, and that's WRONG. I understand a little better why your view of the world is different than mine now, but that doesn't make it right. I'm not going to just crawl in a hole and stop posting back because I don't agree with you. The race card is all too often played when something doesn't quite work out, and voter fraud did not decide the 2004 election. If Barak Hussein Obama loses this election, liberals all over America will be crying foul just like they did in 2000 and 2004. There's always something racial to blame it on, and frankly I'm sick of hearing it.

 

If you want to read about true voter registration fraud, check out the liberal group "ACORN". There have been discoveries of voter registration fraud by this liberal organization. These people are registering the same people 10 or more times, using names of professional football and baseball players, etc. I'm sure you've heard bits of this on the news. You won't hear nearly as much about this as you would about the number of houses or cars that John McCain owns, because the liberal media is biased. Here's a link for you...check it out.

 

Here's one quote from the article: "He reports that ACORN threw out Republican registrations while paying for Democratic ones". There's some voter fraud for you.

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/10-13-2004/0002275937&EDATE

 

Liberals are always crying about how Republicans are for the rich, and how people that own business should be taxed more than anyone else,and that anyone who has been successful in their life and become self sufficient by their hard work should be penalized by paying more taxes. I disagree with this philosophy viamently. Ironically a large percentage of Americans are employed by these very successful people that most liberals hate, and that is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It makes no sense to me. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this matter.

 

You hit the nail on the head here with everything.

 

I just want to point out the bolded part. If you watched the VP debate, early on you heard Joe Biden say a million times that the Tax plan wasnt fair. SAY IT AINT SO JOE! Well guess what, the world isnt fair!!! Why should you punish people who have made a life for themselves by redistrubuting their wealth so everyone can be FAIR??? The founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves! From the day i was born my parents said, Lifes not fair. And they were right. Im going to school for a reason, going to more school after college for a reason, and yes im paying for it. My parents pay NONE. But im going so that i can provide for myself and a family doan the road. But now im thinking, why bother? Why waste my money? I can sit at home watch hunting and sports shows, and let other people do the work cause in the end it will be FAIR! Rich people will pay for a little redneck like me!

 

Socialism at its best. The people who bust their butt to make it big deserve what they got. Sure there are plenty of families who have old money, but somewhere down the line they bisted their butts for their family too.

[mountainman74 12]

Its not necessarily punishing the rich. Its making them carry their share of the load. There is something wrong when middle america pays higher percentages than the rich americans who can afford it. There are a lot of laws, and loopholes that help the rich, and corporations even more than just the tax brackets. Its only fair. Its not socialism. I dont agree with everything in the democratic party, but they do try to help with wages, labor, and safety in the workplace. Most Republicans are anti-union, and if their agenda prevails, there will be no more decent paying jobs, or regulations. We would be pretty much a 3rd world nation . The unions set the bar years ago, and continue to hold on today. These discussions could last for years. We all have strong reasons for party affiliation. I respect everyones reasons, even if I dont agree. As far as Acorn, I hope they catch the corrupt people who are commiting fraud. It wont make any difference on election day, as you have to have an ID anyway. But thats what this disscussion was about anyway. I dont like everything Acorn does but going into these commnities, and getting people regestered, where they havent felt a part in this before is a good thing. Some people just havent bothered with voting in the past. Im glad to see more getting involved. If McCain wins the liberals will cry. If Obama wins The far right will cry. Thats just the way it is.

[futbolking 766]

Sounds to me like the kids dad is the "loon". The kid should be more worried about what's for lunch at school than his first amendment rights. Don't tell me his dad didn't put him up to it. He's 11 years old for pete's sake! Turn your shirt inside out and move on.

 

I think the issue was with insinuating that a U.S. senator is a terrorist...Schools have dress codes against "offensive" material, which includes "offensive" language on somebody's shirt. If the school didn't act, they could've faced legal action against somebody who might claim to be offended by this kids shirt. Why don't you try to support the public schools for a change and try to be a positive influence on them, rather than tear down and criticize the people who are taking care of your children every day.

Edited October 11, 2008 by futbolking

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

They carry more than their share of the load. Under Obama's plan, some people wil be paying 50% of income tax.

 

LIFE ISNT FAIR, GET OVER IT. Nothing is fair. Its not meant to be. Im from a middle class family, and Im not complaining. My parents made their life the way they wanted it to be. Sure they would like an increase in pay, and they fight hard for it, but they dont want people to pay for them. Nor do they want people to pay for the people on welfare. Its saddening really, that the people who grew up with the same oppurtunities are going to have to pay for people who sit on their butt and wait in the welfare line religuosly.

 

Lets face it, some people will see over half of their income go to other people if they make over a million. this includes small businesses. Businesses cant expand, they have to raise prices to contend with higher taxes. That will hurt the economy more, and without companies making profits, there will be no new jobs.

 

This is America. Everyone has a chance to succeed. Id say people unlike me have a better chance. When I succeed, why should I have to pay for the failures? I went and achieved my dream. Its mine. Not yours. Sure ill pay my goverment for their costs, but to pay for someone who is too lazy to work I dont agree with that. I dont agree with taking what people have made for themselves. I may be a dang good shot with a bow, but im no Robin Hood.

 

As for Unions, they dont make much a difference. They had their place in time, but not anymore. Most area businesses have given their employees a chance to go to Unions, but the EMPLOYEES turn it down. Even at that rate, most unions are going away from the traditional wages and benefits, looking for new strategies and profits. Unions went out of this country for a reason, they hurt the economy and the employee.

 

It wont make any difference on election day, as you have to have an ID anyway. But thats what this disscussion was about anyway. I dont like everything Acorn does but going into these commnities, and getting people regestered, where they havent felt a part in this before is a good thing.

 

And you must not know much about voting, ITS CALLED EARLY VOTING. YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE AN ID. These people register and vote ON THE SAME DAY. They never see the polling place. And yes, Obama people have been caught claiming to tell people to vote for Obama... Seriously watch this...http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=189343

 

And Im sick of your claims fo voter fraud. In 2004, GWB won by 381,978 votes. In the counties in which your cities you claimed the people were attacked, vote counts were 8,304 in Madison County (Perry and Madison), 7,478 in Jefferson County (Monticello), 10,855 in Bradford County (Starke), Jackson County had 19,807 (Marianna), and 15,802 in Suwanee County. Thats 62,240 votes cast in those counties, leaving them 319,738 votes short if EVERYONE voted for Kerry. Now that is entire counties, lets not forget that the combined total population of the cities listed is 30,575. So if everyone voted in all of these cities it still wouldnt even be close, and yes the population includes minors under 18 so the number would be even smaller.

 

You say that all these things happened in these cities, well do you care to explain how Jefferson County went to Kerry, even though you claim blacks were told not to vote. Were the klan at a meeting that day or something? How do you explain that one? They won the county but yet they were intimidated. Come on.

 

I dont spew ignorance.

 

Enough is enough.

Edited October 11, 2008 by BEAVERTAIL
Cause I love Mountainmen.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

Sounds to me like the kids dad is the "loon". The kid should be more worried about what's for lunch at school than his first amendment rights. Don't tell me his dad didn't put him up to it. He's 11 years old for pete's sake! Turn your shirt inside out and move on.

 

I think the issue was with insinuating that a U.S. senator is a terrorist...Schools have dress codes against "offensive" material, which includes "offensive" language on somebody's shirt.

 

How is saying Obama has friends with terrorists offensive? Please explain.

 

And I was 11 during the 2001 election, and I knew a great deal about the election. I tried to sway my parents votes, to Gore. Can you believe it? I still dont know to this day who they voted for, but I know I was informed. He probably was too.

 

And why is the dad a "loon"? Please explain that one too. Seems like a normal law abiding citizen. Unlike Obamas friends! :eek:

[mountainman74 12]

How do the rich pay their fair share when their percentage is lower? You folks kill me. Im sick of you Republicans trying to shout everyone down just because you dissagree. All I said about those counties, was that intimidation happened, which it did. As for Unions, they still set the standard and non union shops still have to be close to compete. No Unions, No standards, then eveyone loses. You odviously have no real blue collar working experience, so your opinion there is baseless. The only reason I keep answering back is because Ya'll seem to be calling me a liar, and ingnorant. Thats typical of your type. Talking big behind the keyboard.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

How do the rich pay their fair share when their percentage is lower? You folks kill me. Im sick of you Republicans trying to shout everyone down just because you dissagree. All I said about those counties, was that intimidation happened, which it did. As for Unions, they still set the standard and non union shops still have to be close to compete. No Unions, No standards, then eveyone loses. You odviously have no real blue collar working experience, so your opinion there is baseless. The only reason I keep answering back is because Ya'll seem to be calling me a liar, and ingnorant. Thats typical of your type. Talking big behind the keyboard.

 

What percentage are you talking about?

 

Go ahead, change the story. Bash people who you have no idea who they are or what their experiences are.

 

Change the story because I proved you wrong on voter fraud and blew up your little "Whites imtimidated blacks so therefore Bush won". What were they gonna do, follow them into the voting booth? I think not.

 

Go ahead and call us names and such, but as you "hide behind" your lies and opinions, ill post facts and truths.

 

and your stereotypes are uncalled for, and just further prove your ignorance.

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

Lets just talk about unions for a second, no I have never even been offered to join one. As for Blue Collar work, well in my 19 short years, 4 of them were spent doing landscaping. Gotta pay the car insurance somehow. lol

 

Here is what I see wrong with Unions.

• 
   
  
• Increases price of goods. As wages go up, so does the price of goods. Unfortunately prices get so high we have to buy from foriegn countries. Now doesnt that sound familar? All are products are bought overseas, why? Higher wages by Unions are part of the problem.
   
   
  
• Everyone is equal. In unions Employers have a hard time using merit to promote employers. It is hard to weed out bad ones, and find productive workers. Why? Tough regulations on employers set by Unions. Many people believe that Union workers find themselves in the comfort of the Union and stop working as hard.
   
   
  
• Unions have disappeared from our country for a long time, in fact for you Clinton supporters, Unions were at an all time low during his administration. I would consider that a good economic time, and i dont see anyone losing like mountainman states.
   
   
  
• Insane overpricing of employees. This ties in with #1 but i find this amazing. according to the National Review, there are "The UAW contract also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing. On the heels of Miller's straight-talk, the Detroit News reported that "12,000 American autoworkers, instead of bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the hours in a jobs bank." They also showed that a person operating a forklift makes 106,000 a year. The median wage for that job is 26,000 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
   
   
  
• Unions almost destroyed the Airline industry. They, PATCO, called for a 10,000 dollar raise after they already almost ran it bankrupt. After a 17 month standoff, Reagan ended the strike, thankfully.
   
   
  
• Economists are strongly against unions. Why? Supply and Demand. Considered a cartel, unions lower the supply of work looking for wages above the competitive value of businesses.
   
   
  
• Unions, using the law of demand, successfully raise the price of labor, employers will purchase less of it. Thus, unions are a major anticompetitive force in labor markets. Their gains come at the expense of consumers, nonunion workers, the jobless, taxpayers, and owners of corporations.
   
   
  
• According to Harvard economists, Richard Freeman and James Medoff, all unions have monopoly power. When has a monopoly ever been good?

 

 

Yes I know, I havent worked in a union. But I can still talk about them. Just like none of us are college football players but we talk about them. Most of you are not officials, but you LOVE to talk about them. I may not ever be in a union, or have the oppurtunity to, but I can learn from the past and chose what in my opinion is the best for our country.

Edited October 11, 2008 by BEAVERTAIL

[mountainman74 12]

You never proved me wrong. You just dont agree, and you are good at research. Plus your opinion and mine differs greatly on Unions, and average working Americans. You are out of touch with most of the folks Im around. I understand more where you are coming from now. You are completely opposite from me and you seem to stand on a stoop and talk down to ones who dissagree. You are getting personal by calling me ignorant, so thats where I'll end this discussion on here. I dont want to lose my membership here. If you want to continue the personal attacks, look me up at http://www.gilesmountainstringband.com and find me or call me out. Im not hard to find.

Chris Via

[Guest BEAVERTAIL]

You never proved me wrong. You just dont agree, and you are good at research.

 

I love doing research. That is what it is all about. I never base my opinions on loosely based opinions or facts. I have a desire to learn and know about my options and country, you can not fault me on that.

 

Plus your opinion and mine differs greatly on Unions, and average working Americans. You are out of touch with most of the folks Im around.

 

Probably so if most of the people you are around are Union workers. Hey, if your a union worker, OF COURSE you want unions to stay around. Look how mush they could help the employee. However, I believe they crush the economy. Right now I am putting country first and wanting to help our economy. I believe destroying unions rather than building them up, in order to restore the economy.

 

I understand more where you are coming from now. You are completely opposite from me and you seem to stand on a stoop and talk down to ones who dissagree. You are getting personal by calling me ignorant, so thats where I'll end this discussion on here.

 

I did not call you ignorant. I simply said you stereotyping me, like you did again above was simply ignorance. Id say if you met me we would have plenty of things in common. However, I do not know you so I can not tell what we would have in common except a love for football and politics. I can tell you though that I do cling to religon and guns lol. Oh and after looking at your website, we both have a love for bluegrass it seems.

 

If it seems that I stand on a stoop, I am sorry. I am adamant about my position and I do not like falsehoods to be posted on the board. For example, your ideas on racism creating problems in the 2004 election. I sought out to prove you wrong. Thats all.

 

I dont want to lose my membership here. If you want to continue the personal attacks, look me up at http://www.gilesmountainstringband.com and find me or call me out. Im not hard to find.

Chris Via

 

Oh so then we duke it out with our fists trying to prove who is right about unions? What will that solve? Nothing. Look, Im here for any kind of discussion. This boad is here for that reason. Not to go out looking for a fight, that is juvenile. Hopefully we both can act as adults and continue as men, not children. Id love for you to rebuke my claims on Unions or post some of your own. I think most members of this board do not understand labor unions, and you have an open forum to educate them. Why not take the opportunity to do so?

Edited October 11, 2008 by BEAVERTAIL