Sure, Tazewell is 42-53-2 in the rivalry, 22-27-2 in Tazewell and 20-26 in Richlands. There may be no objective basis that they play any worse at Ernie Hicks in this series in the last 32 games because just calling a spade a spade, the last 19 years in the series has been pretty lopsided. You could also make the notion that Tazewell finds a way to lose in this game at Bulldog Stadium in the past 19 years. But the reason for the "baseless myth" is this: recency bias. I am 26 years old and I have never seen Tazewell win this game in person. However, they have won the game four times since I have been born. Heck, they even won the last one at Ernie Hicks! The same can be said about the Virginia Tech-Virginia series in that same period. I have never in person seen UVA win in Lane Stadium. Sure, they have also coincidentally beat the Hokies four times in my life and I have only seen it once in person. You can make the notion based on recent history that UVA finds a way to lose at Lane Stadium, but in the same breath it can also be said that they find a way to lose that game in Scott Stadium. I will even take this example too. I will shout louder than anyone in America that Virginia Tech cannot win/find a way to lose at Heinz Field/Acrisure Stadium. Heinz Field opened in 2001. Virginia Tech has played there eight times since it opened. The Hokies have only one once at Heinz in 2016. This is what people remember about that match up. Tech playing at Pitt? Panthers win. No brainer. However, from 1993-2000, the Hokies played Pitt in old Pitt Stadium four times and won three of them. Pretty good numbers but no one remembers it--myself included. The Hokies hold the series advantage 11-10 and after Saturday it will be even at 11. It is recency bias for that opinion. I see your point that it may not be true that Tazewell JUST finds a way to lose this game at Ernie Hicks Stadium. Since 1990, it could be said that Tazewell has found a way to lose this game at either spot since then. I do not think it is baseless..I just think it is what people remember because it is the most recent occurrence. For all purposes, the Tazewell-Richlands rivalry is what you want the rivalry to be because looking at the 97 previous meetings for it to be within 11 games of one another, that is what you consider a rivalry. It just so happens to be one sided for the past 32 years. I just believe that is why that is the narrative. Whether you are from Tazewell, Richlands, or anywhere else in SWVA. With that said, I think Friday night's game will tell you a lot about where the programs are headed moving forward.
I think we're debating the same side of the same coin. The statistics have never borne out the adage "Tazewell always finds a way to lose at Ernie Hicks", especially in our generation, because Richlands has had its way with Tazewell on both fields since 1990. The 4 games Tazewell has won have been split between home (1999, 2003) and away (2000, Spring 2021). It's not as if Tazewell occasionally pulls out wins in this series at Bulldog Stadium and doesn't ever win at Ernie Hicks. Hence, the argument is flawed.
I think the argument you propose could be made that "Tazewell seems to find a way to lose to Richlands at home", considering the 1-score games played in Tazewell are:
1993: Richlands - 14, Tazewell - 12
1995: Richlands - 7, Tazewell - 0
1999: Tazewell - 21, Richlands - 14
2001: Richlands - 20, Tazewell - 14
2003: Tazewell - 12, Richlands - 10
2008: Richlands - 28, Tazewell - 27 [OT]
2013: Richlands - 34, Tazewell - 27
Fall 2021: Richlands - 27, Tazewell - 26
That's 8 chances, at home, that Tazewell could have very reasonably knocked off Richlands, and Tazewell went 2-6 on them.
I'm not saying there's no such thing as a mental block when it comes to some rivalries. 4 times, I've watched UVA gag away victories in Lane Stadium in horrifying fashion. Virginia Tech hasn't been able to win in Pittsburgh in that same amount of time, though UVA has had no such problem. Mack Brown has never won in Charlottesville as a head coach. Through the "lost decade" of 2006-2016 as we call it in Charlottesville, UVA routinely whipped up on Miami and only Miami for some reason. However, Tazewell/Richlands does not fit that pattern.
Sheesh, you argue this like you're a lawyer or something!
Hope all the teams do good, and if Tazewell can find a way to loose they will, it's something that happens to them at the Ernie. God Blues!!!
Could we pretty please stop with this baseless myth that "Tazewell finds a way to lose at Ernie Hicks"? All-time, Tazewell is 42-53-2 in this rivalry. Tazewell's record at home is 22-27-2 (.451), and Tazewell's record away is 20-26 (.438). In the last 32 games, Richlands is 28-4. 2 of Tazewell's wins have come at home, and 2 of Tazewell's wins have come on the road. There is, quite literally, 0 objective basis for the claim that Tazewell plays any worse at Ernie Hicks in this rivalry.
This isn't the first Richlands fan I've heard say this. It's almost as if they're trying to will it to be true, despite it being, you know, not true.
The battle for that 3rd and 4th spot is going to be tight. The difference between hosting a first round game and not...
Good luck predicting anything between 3 and 7 yet. We know it will be some combination of Virginia High, Union, GC, Tazewell, and Lee. But so many different permutations exist.
Richlands had dominated Graham for over a decade too until Graham won at Richlands in 2017. Now Graham has won 7 in a row.
Folks seem to forget that Tazewell snapped the streak at Ernie Hicks, too.
Richlands must have someone else other than Isaiah Bandy score in the first 3 quarters this week. Otherwise, Richlands is looking straight down the barrel of a 33-3 or 27-7 sort of game. Tazewell's going to score a few points.
Nowhere near as bad as people are betraying it. I've seen wayyyyy worse structure fires.
The issue with brick buildings is that heat compromises the structural integrity of the brick much more quickly than other materials. Hoping and praying that it is indeed relatively minor compared to the pictures. Hurley has suffered enough.
I try to be fair and impartial with comparisons and I'm not a fan of comparing as someone is always diminished. That being said here is my take;
O'Quinn has the better release and arm strength. I would be willing to wager his deep ball is 10-13 yards longer as I've seen the kid hit 55yards in person with my own eyes. Too often he puts too much air under it and it ends up around 40 yards.
Creasy is asked to make short/intermediate accurate throws. He is a very accurate QB. He has a hitch in his throwing motion that needs to be ironed out. I feel like that limits his deep ball and, to me, this makes him more of a system QB. I think he is a very good candidate for a system QB and I feel like that is what Tazewell's offense is. Creasy will probably finish with better stats as he will run that same system for four years. O'Quinn is already on his second coach in two years of varsity.
Creasy is a good runner...above average. O'Quinn is a great runner and is already 6'2/6'3" and around 200lbs...he is physical and I watched the kid seek out and punish a Galax DB who flew up on him hard in the open field. He ran completely over the kid and that kid was feeling that the next couple of plays...lol. To me...he plays with a bit of edge and I expect him to be a 2000-2500 yard career rusher when its all said and done.
Creasy is playing in an offense that is suited to him and he thrives. With the exception of some recently crappy play calls for O'Quinn, he has played in a system and thrived. Now, the tale of the tape is if you could switch them and they would thrive in each other's system. O'Quinn would be a 75% completion rate in J'Me's offense and would open up Harris to more deep shots and Creasy's completion % would drop in Ridgeview's due to more deep shots. Additionally, I don't think Creasy has the arm-strength to throw deep to a full speed Beavers who still occasionally outruns O'Quinn's throws. I think this is why you see more back-shoulder throws to Harris in the Tazewell offense....which is something RV should implement.
I'm sure both are great kids and they are great QBs and I hope like heck they battle for the next couple of years. Both will lose their primary WRs after this year so it will be interesting to see how they do without those all-state Sr WRs. These two QBs really do have a lot in common.
Now see, this is good discussion that produces an excellent conversation! I know we had disagreements elsewhere, but I appreciate this.
If Creasy ran the read-option as well as his predecessor, Gavin Nunley, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Creasy runs it pretty well, but Nunley was a magician with the ball and made the right read 95%+ of the time. Of course, Nunley couldn't throw the ball farther than 15 yards in a live situation, so that substantially limited the ceiling of the passing offense. With the OL between 2019-2021, he really didn't have to all that often. Different QBs, different OLs, different systems essentially. What folks don't remember is that Creasy ran for over 600 yards last season, and it would have been awfully close to 1000 if not for over 350 yards lost due to sacks. Presuming no severe injuries, he'll hit that 2000-2500 yard career mark also.
I'm not sure that I'd agree that O'Quinn would be more prolific than Creasy if the roles were reversed. Creasy's completion rate is 63.6% for the 2022 season (if my math is correct), despite (a) getting injured in Game #1; (b) playing a 2A powerhouse while injured in Game #2; (c) sitting Games #3 and #4; and (d) playing Game #5 in a hurricane's remnants where, at one point, 5 straight accurate passes were dropped. I'm not saying that O'Quinn would be poor in it, but the law of diminishing returns is a very real concept here. It's harder every percentage point you climb, as the misses shave more than the makes add.
In terms of projecting both, Creasy is much more fundamentally found from the leg down, while O'Quinn doesn't have the hitch from the waist up. I've noticed on film that O'Quinn isn't particularly consistent with his feet, particularly on shorter passes. Several throws, he will take steps, return to a flat-footed position, then throw the ball. He has the athleticism and skill to get away with that against most 2A teams, but in terms of the better passer, it's a red mark. Creasy has worked to eliminate that hitch, though it shows up when he tries to do something with the ball that isn't the textbook throw. I have seen him hit WRs 40+ yards downfield in game action though, and he's made a few 60+ yard throws in 7-on-7 play.
I will say that I'm anxious to see how both develop, and I'm looking forward to seeing them square off in 2023 and 2024.
FACT: UVAObserver threatened Tornado99 on a public forum. Not a good look for a lawyer.
2 minutes ago, Popeye said:
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Stated perfectly, Popeye. (1) OP made a perjorative statement about my character. (2) I stated that I would be happy to prove his opinion inaccurate, and suggested a place and time where such philosophical adjustment might take place. There's no threat directly stated or reasonably implied. I never stated that I would assault or batter the OP, nowhere close. I stated that, if he truly believed that and was cocksure enough to personally confront me on it, I'd be more than happy to settle the issue anyplace, anytime. Hopefully such a thing would never happen in the first place, because I highly doubt someone in their right state of mind would say something like that to me in a personal setting. I would never throw a first punch; I would, however, throw a last one.
OP made an inappropriate bluff, and I called him on it. Simple as that.
Both persons who have derailed this thread have specifically called me out, and are now aghast that I would dare respond to it. Where's the Shocked Pikachu Face when I need it?
BTW, @Observer, you might want to use better discretion when referencing people on this site. There's a huge difference between @Tornado 🌪 99 (an online troll who's lurked for 1 year and been active about 17 days, give or take) and @tornado99 (a person for whom I have a significant amount of respect based upon his contributions on this site for 17 years).
Not whining, just stating a fact. Also, self-proclaiming yourself as the big dog says a lot about you.
A fact is a datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance, which, if accepted as true and proven true, allows a logical conclusion to be reached on a true/false evaluation.
An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts.
Examples of facts:
(1) Carter Creasy has more passing yards in his career than Ryan O'Quinn.
(2) Carter Creasy has more passing touchdowns in his career than Ryan O'Quinn.
(3) Tazewell beat Richlands 21-19 in the Spring 2021 football season.
(4) The Mountain 7 Conference has yet to send a representative to the VHSL 2A Championship Game.
Examples of opinions:
(1) UVAObserver is an asshat because he calls people out for unintelligent comments.
(2) Observer is a whiner and crier because he can't take the heat when he mocks someone and that someone responds.
(3) BigWinners would be an OK guy if he exercised just a little more brain power on a consistent basis.
I know at SWD schools, they teach the difference between facts and opinions in 1st grade. I can't vouch for M7 schools, but apparently, some (not all) pupils need to retake the lessons.
@UVAObserver you really are the a$$hat that everybody said you are
Mighty presumptive of you to believe that I care in the slightest what you, or anyone on this message board whom I don't know personally, think.
Besides, you were the one that made your little comment specifically referencing me by name. If you rattle the big dog's cage, don't complain and whine when the big dog snaps at you.
Can this be put on NFHS. I will be at the ridge but would like to watch the action. Maybe even put a countdown to 5:45 on the game clock to add extra excitement.
Why sure! We might even get the SWVA Sportsbook to post odds. Make it a grand ol' time!
If nothing else, at least this served to get a pretty dead thread rolling again. I'm looking forward to this game more than any game I've called in some time.
You're the one who went beyond the bounds of respectful discourse and made a personal attack. I'm calling you out publicly for it and giving you an opportunity to put this so-called "common knowledge" to the test. If you want the world to see how "Charmin soft" I am, you have the opportunity to prove it Friday night. You know where to find me.
Of course, I put the odds of you actually doing so at about 200:1, but the invitation's there. You made a big bet, and I called it. Show your hand.
He’s as soft as charmin in real life, but he’s a gangster on here. @UVAObserver.
Come up to the press box at Ernie Hicks on Friday and try me. I'll be wearing my black Tazewell Bulldog Radio Network shirt with black pants. I'll call that pathetic attempt at a bluff right now, son.
Congratulations to McCartney Hinkle on winning the Region 2D Player of the Year today in Bristol by carding a tournament low round of -2 (68) at Clear Creek . McCartney will represent Graham High School at the State Tournament October 10th at Olde Mill Golf Resort . Well played 👏🏽 McCartney !!!
Shot a Region D-winning score, 68 (-2), as a freshman. I frankly think the kid doesn't get enough attention. Seldom is there a young man who comes through SWVA high schools where "highest professional league" is the ceiling. Hinkle is one of them. Crazy part is, he's got some growing left to do, both in terms of height, strength, and seasoning. I'm anxious to see where his road leads him.
Tazewell should win, but don't think its a blow out. Tazewell always seems to find a way to loose at the Ernie for whatever reason. Hope all the players have an enjury free game, and both teams and fans show good sportsmanship. Go BLUES!!!
They snapped the streak at Ernie Hicks, FWIW. But agreed on all else.
To UVAObserver and BigWinners points above, I hope we can see them matchup in the same game before they graduate.
Very good chance Union/Tazewell is the 4-5 game this season, if results hold like I think they will. Not sure if Ridgeview will outpoint Graham to win the 1.
I will say, as a sneak peek, Ridgeview/Tazewell will meet the next two seasons as it stands now.
The 05 Richlands defense gave up 12 points in the regular season when the 1st string was on the field. Lebanon ended up with 14 points in garbage time in the final game of the season on the JV players.
Gave up 92 points total the entire season for 6.5 ppg (5.5 ppg if you take out the 14 Lebanon scored) And 27 of those were Turner Ashby in the state title game.
If you’re looking at the last 20 years, this is my choice.
I could be wrong but I think he played his whole career at UVA. I feel like that’s actually when he finally started some games.
I didn’t mean anything towards you on you not mentioning Hamm. I just meant that there was a 1a school in SWVA had two P5 kids not too long ago but it doesn’t get talked about much
He did play 5 seasons with UVA. He got a fair amount of run in 2015 as a SO, then virtually none in 2016 after Mendenhall took over, then some again in 2017. Weird career if you look by the numbers. I always felt he was underutilized.
Just save your breathe. I'll go ahead and say it.....UVAObserver is an argumentative asshat. Just agree to disagree with the guy. He is the reason half the board now pulls against Tazewell.
I don’t ever recall pissing in your Cheerios, Ms. O’Quinn, but I find that I make water more frequently as I get older.
I’m sorry for stating that Carter Creasy is objectively superior to Ryan O’Quinn. I’m sorry for presuming that anyone who has (1) the visual acuity to watch game film and (2) a basic knowledge of football would reach that conclusion. I’m sorry that fantasizing that any player from the SWD could come close to unmistakable, sheer brilliance of a M7 player. I’m sorry that some people are delusional enough to cheer against an entire team because 1 person occasionally makes such ridiculous takes as I’ve outlined in this post. I’ll try to use better discretion in the future.
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Backyard Brawl: Tazewell at Richlands
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I think we're debating the same side of the same coin. The statistics have never borne out the adage "Tazewell always finds a way to lose at Ernie Hicks", especially in our generation, because Richlands has had its way with Tazewell on both fields since 1990. The 4 games Tazewell has won have been split between home (1999, 2003) and away (2000, Spring 2021). It's not as if Tazewell occasionally pulls out wins in this series at Bulldog Stadium and doesn't ever win at Ernie Hicks. Hence, the argument is flawed.
I think the argument you propose could be made that "Tazewell seems to find a way to lose to Richlands at home", considering the 1-score games played in Tazewell are:
1993: Richlands - 14, Tazewell - 12
1995: Richlands - 7, Tazewell - 0
1999: Tazewell - 21, Richlands - 14
2001: Richlands - 20, Tazewell - 14
2003: Tazewell - 12, Richlands - 10
2008: Richlands - 28, Tazewell - 27 [OT]
2013: Richlands - 34, Tazewell - 27
Fall 2021: Richlands - 27, Tazewell - 26
That's 8 chances, at home, that Tazewell could have very reasonably knocked off Richlands, and Tazewell went 2-6 on them.
I'm not saying there's no such thing as a mental block when it comes to some rivalries. 4 times, I've watched UVA gag away victories in Lane Stadium in horrifying fashion. Virginia Tech hasn't been able to win in Pittsburgh in that same amount of time, though UVA has had no such problem. Mack Brown has never won in Charlottesville as a head coach. Through the "lost decade" of 2006-2016 as we call it in Charlottesville, UVA routinely whipped up on Miami and only Miami for some reason. However, Tazewell/Richlands does not fit that pattern.
Sheesh, you argue this like you're a lawyer or something!