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There were some planned back shoulder throws. You can see one thrown at 0:32 in this clip, not to Harris but to Ethan Mills.
 
http://www.hudl.com/v/2GJHER

I will say this, from my time on this board it’s apparent that most SWD fans really don’t know much about any M7 team other than Union.  I’m an old SWD guy (when they had 11 teams in the district)and follow the M7 more now due to relatives that play on some of the M7 teams.  I watch a lot of football from both sides and there is a lot of stereotypes or hot takes that are a bit off.  That’s why I loved the first round playoff format where the two districts played each other.  There is a lot of homerism on here and that’s to be expected.  It’s good to stand for your team but sometimes the truth is the truth and it will usually play out.  I was blasted for saying Central’s D was the best in the M7 and they had the best LB core….both were true and on display when they played Union.  I was blasted for saying the RV QB is the best or seconD best QB in the region right now.  Was told he’s 3rd best in M7 alone. That’s proving itself out.  Just be open minded and freely debate….it’s what keep the board interesting..or else we go back to Graham and Union ping pong topics.  Lol.

I'm just glad we are talking about football and not basketball!! Someone wake @goose111874 up.

Well, here you are.  Shit....I thought people would be all about breaking down some film and actually seeing the athletes they speak on.  I'm assuming BluWolf probably hadn't seen Harris' film and what a classic true WR he is and I'm assuming that's the most you've seen Beavers.  We need to throw Bradshaw's film on here as well so everyone can see his skills. Webb, too.   BTW, I love how Tazewell uses Harris....they are more creative than RV.  Additionally, I love the planned back shoulder throws the Creasy kid does......I thought at first they were short,.....but I'm pretty sure that's planned....works great with Harris' length.  I think we should break down the RV QB vs Tazewell QB film as well.  It's all right here.

I will say this, from my time on this board it’s apparent that most SWD fans really don’t know much about any M7 team other than Union.  I’m an old SWD guy (when they had 11 teams in the district)and follow the M7 more now due to relatives that play on some of the M7 teams.  I watch a lot of football from both sides and there is a lot of stereotypes or hot takes that are a bit off.  That’s why I loved the first round playoff format where the two districts played each other.  There is a lot of homerism on here and that’s to be expected.  It’s good to stand for your team but sometimes the truth is the truth and it will usually play out.  I was blasted for saying Central’s D was the best in the M7 and they had the best LB core….both were true and on display when they played Union.  I was blasted for saying the RV QB is the best or seconD best QB in the region right now.  Was told he’s 3rd best in M7 alone. That’s proving itself out.  Just be open minded and freely debate….it’s what keep the board interesting..or else we go back to Graham and Union ping pong topics.  Lol.

Sounds like the Beavers kid would fit right in at the school in Bluefield, VA. Just sayin.........

I will say this, from my time on this board it’s apparent that most SWD fans really don’t know much about any M7 team other than Union.  I’m an old SWD guy (when they had 11 teams in the district)and follow the M7 more now due to relatives that play on some of the M7 teams.  I watch a lot of football from both sides and there is a lot of stereotypes or hot takes that are a bit off.  That’s why I loved the first round playoff format where the two districts played each other.  There is a lot of homerism on here and that’s to be expected.  It’s good to stand for your team but sometimes the truth is the truth and it will usually play out.  I was blasted for saying Central’s D was the best in the M7 and they had the best LB core….both were true and on display when they played Union.  I was blasted for saying the RV QB is the best or seconD best QB in the region right now.  Was told he’s 3rd best in M7 alone. That’s proving itself out.  Just be open minded and freely debate….it’s what keep the board interesting..or else we go back to Graham and Union ping pong topics.  Lol.

I don’t think you watched enough RV football this year.  RV is Tazewell…only with a better defense.  I’m not disagreeing with what you are saying about Tazewell and Harris.  I’m disagreeing with some of your RV observations.  RV didn’t have a running game once teams figured out it was just a basic zone read.  The difference is that Tazewell quickly understood what they were and weren’t and RV never really figured it out.  Both had Fr QBs and average, at best, lines and a stable of kids who can catch the ball. 
If you want to compare Harris to Beavers—-review their common opponents (Richlands, Graham, Central, Bluefield) to see how they played and impacted those games and break down their stats.  If you want an eye test…shit Hudl is out there and will show you everything.
I see two similar WRs but if you see one clearly better than the other, to each his own. I have both of them ahead of Dougherty, but that may be some SWVA homerism.  And if you want to really blow up this board…I think they are better pure WRs than Bradshaw who is more APB and slot.
 

Go watch their Hudl season highlights and make your own decision.  I think Harris was dinged on not being 1st Team for two reasons:
1) Team wasn’t that good and he didn’t appear to elevate his team or outright get win his team a big win.  Beavers beat Richlands twice…scoring two TDs in last 1:20 to win the play off game.  Bradshaw took over against RV in the playoffs and carried his team to a crucial win.  I’m not sure Cassius had that.
2) TD to catch ratio isn’t good.  He’s scoring once every 10 catches.  (Beavers and Bradshaw were once every 3 catches). I think this is an important stat….maybe others don’t.  This,IMHO, is as vital as a RB’s YPC.  
 
3) Project Bradshaw and Beavers TD and yards per catch with Harris’ reception total and you get a whole different beast. Just simple math..Beavers would have 31TDs and 2,156 yards.  Bradshaw is a bit harder because I can’t find his consensus season totals.  But you get the point.
 
Ive watched film on Bradshaw, Beavers, Harris and the Dougherty kid so far.  They are all close….but only Bradshaw and Beavers got special defensive attention week in and week out.  I don’t think I saw Dougherty hardly ever face a double.  

The 4 wide is absolutely RV’s base set.   I’m not even sure I saw two RBs once all season and they don’t have a TE….so…..where they go???  Beavers didn’t even lead RV in receptions…think that was Counts kid.
Also…the miracle needed against Richlands WAS Beavers.. lol.  He had two great TD catches in last 1:30 of the game to win it.  It’s not his fault his coaches absolutely refused to give up running for 0 and 1 yard against Richlands until the game was literally on the line.  The irony here is that Beavers’ numbers would be more other wordly if he played for Harris’s Dad.  Lol.  The RV coaches simply refuse to feed the ball to Beavers.  And I’ll definitely credit the Tazewell coaches for realizing they have an All State WR and scheming ways to get him the ball.  I thought Graham didn’t do a great job off isolating Bradshaw enough….and don’t get me started in RV’s use/misuse of their WR.

I don’t think people get too worked up about it.  As a process oriented guy, I’m just curious if there is a method to the madness….especially when most of the voters have never seen the kids play personally.  I’ve also been around this world long enough to know…most processes are ill defined, rarely audited/updated and due diligence is often not paid.  Trust me I have much more pressing issues to get worked up about.  

I don’t think people get too worked up about it.  As a process oriented guy, I’m just curious if there is a method to the madness….especially when most of the voters have never seen the kids play personally.  I’ve also been around this world long enough to know…most processes are ill defined, rarely audited/updated and due diligence is often not paid.  Trust me I have much more pressing issues to get worked up about.  

It helps when you hold back most of the kids as Wise did with their “super class”.  But it doesn’t auto translate into dominance.  Central’s class beat RV’s from crunch bunch all the way through JV….every single time except once in 8th grade.  But that RV Class beat them twice this year when it mattered….and with a younger class.  An offensive/coaching change (to a passing attack), a sensational Freshman QB and an out of state transfer WR derailed all those plans.  All of those events were unforeseen.  It happens.

Yep.  I was particularly looking to see how they were going to handle losing their super class.  Makes me wonder if losing all of those players expedited his decision.  Has anyone heard where he is going?

There was fierce competition at WR this year.  Will go down as best WR year in recent memory if not ever.  Webb is a D-1 signee and was bumped off by two Jr’s and recognized as the 4th best WR in region.  That’s nuts.

Well, if all 11 teams post their players individually we can eventually cobble this together.😂

Well, if all 11 teams post their players individually we can eventually cobble this together.😂

Well, if all 11 teams post their players individually we can eventually cobble this together.😂

The kid is a good QB who has the unfortunate luck of being in the same class as O’Quinn and Creasey.  You don’t often see three Fr. Starting QBs in a. 11 team region.

GC loses both Edwards kids.  Will who was their center, and Brady who played LB and FB when healthy.  Brady missed part of this year after tearing his MCL in the benefit game vs VA High.  Stokes kid is a SR also.  I think they had around 10 SRs on the team.  Cant remember who else played where. 

Agree. I’ve watched both of them.  Creasey has a bit of hitch in his throwing mechanics that makes me think he might be almost maxed out on arm strength.  He shot puts it with a low release arm slot.  Looks like he isn’t asked to throw down field too often (40+ yards).  I give the nod to O’Quin in part because his mechanics are better and his frame is a year or so ahead of Creasey.  Additionally O’Quin can be a punishing runner when needed.  The kid will be around 6’3”, 210 his senior year and I bet he runs for +1000 yards and signs D-1 FBS.

Agree. I’ve watched both of them.  Creasey has a bit of hitch in his throwing mechanics that makes me think he might be almost maxed out on arm strength.  He shot puts it with a low release arm slot.  Looks like he isn’t asked to throw down field too often (40+ yards).  I give the nod to O’Quin in part because his mechanics are better and his frame is a year or so ahead of Creasey.  Additionally O’Quin can be a punishing runner when needed.  The kid will be around 6’3”, 210 his senior year and I bet he runs for +1000 yards and signs D-1 FBS.

I do think Warner gets the nod.  No one expected that whereas Patterson achieved the expected considering his talent level.

Union only has 1 Jenkins other 5 have graduated lol and only lose 1 OL but will get back 1 OL who was out for season and RB Honeycutt.  Edit:. You are talking about the transfer Jenkins sorry.  We've had so many lately I forgot about him, different family though
 
 

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