Union_Fan 2,155 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 All things being equal, I think Central/GC and Tazewell/Grundy determine the #1 seed. Even if Richlands loses to Va High. Sleeper games are Princeton/Brooke and Mo West/Bearden. The following is based on Central over GC, Va High over Richlands, Grundy over Tazewell, Princeton over Greenbrier, Brooke over Princeton, and Grayson losing their last 2. A tie for #1 between Union/Graham would go to Union for "best overall record". A tie between Union/Marion would come down to "highest average rating of all opponents". 1.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 2.) Graham 9-1 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 262 26.2 4.) Marion 9-1 249 24.9 5.) Va High 7-3 232 23.2 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Battle, John 5-5 190 19 8.) Central-Wise 3-7 176 17.6 8.) Richlands 3-7 176 17.6 10.) Grayson Co 4-6 174 17.4 11.) Tazewell 3-7 168 16.8 12.) Lebanon 2-8 149 14.9 13.) Gate City 0-10 134 13.4 If Marion beats Graham... 1.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 1.) Marion 10-0 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 262 26.2 4.) Graham 8-2 248 24.8 If Marion beats Graham and Abingdon beats Union... 1.) Marion 10-0 268 26.8 2.) Ridgeview 9-1 263 26.3 3.) Union 9-1 251 25.1 4.) Graham 8-2 248 24.8 If Graham beats Marion and Abingdon beats Union... 1.) Graham 9-1 268 26.8 2.) Ridgeview 9-1 263 26.3 3.) Union 9-1 251 25.1 4.) Marion 9-1 249 24.9 If Marion beats Graham, Va High beats Marion, and Abingdon beats Union... 1.) Ridgeview 9-1 263 26.3 2.) Va High 8-2 254 25.4 3.) Union 9-1 251 25.1 4.) Marion 9-1 250 25 If Tazewell beats Grundy and Lebanon 1.) Graham 9-1 270 27 2.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 260 26 4.) Marion 9-1 251 25.1 5.) Va High 7-3 234 23.4 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Battle, John 5-5 190 19 8.) Tazewell 4-6 185 18.5 If Tazewell beats Grundy, but Richlands beats Va High 1.) Union 10-0 270 27 2.) Graham 9-1 270 27 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 260 26 4.) Marion 9-1 251 25.1 5.) Va High 6-4 220 22 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Richlands 4-6 195 19.5 8.) Battle, John 5-5 189 18.9 If Tazewell beats Grundy, Richlands beats Va High, and Grayson beats Wythe. 1.) Union 10-0 270 27 2.) Graham 9-1 270 27 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 260 26 4.) Marion 9-1 251 25.1 5.) Va High 6-4 220 22 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Richlands 4-6 195 19.5 8.) Grayson Co 5-5 191 19.1 If Va High beats Marion and Richlands, and Battle beats Lee 1.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 2.) Graham 9-1 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 262 26.2 4.) Va High 8-2 253 25.3 5.) Marion 8-2 231 23.1 6.) Battle, John 6-4 207 20.7 7.) Lee 5-5 195 19.5 8.) Central-Wise 3-7 177 17.7 9.) Richlands 3-7 176 17.6 Anything can happen over these next 2 weeks. Going to be EXCITING! Hopefully, I have no typos up there. Unionguy_2017, BlueRazor, Bearcat Dad and 8 others 2 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVAgridiron 1,469 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 I applaud you for taking the time to do this! I would never attempt it! Union_Fan, olewave and SXSW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva_havok_fan 1,261 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 You are the man Union_Fan. Fantastic job. Thanks for this. Union_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,155 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 If anyone has any questions about specific scenarios for their team, I'll be happy to run those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionguy_2017 288 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: If anyone has any questions about specific scenarios for their team, I'll be happy to run those. In the first scenario, I'd have to assume Richlands would get the tiebreaker over Central right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,155 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Unionguy_2017 said: In the first scenario, I'd have to assume Richlands would get the tiebreaker over Central right? Here are the tie breakers, and I don't see "best overall record" in this year's handbook (a) The Rating Scale-Considering all regular season games played against public and non-public Virginia schools and scheduled in accordance with the provisions of 68-4-6. (b) The winner of any games between the two tied teams if only the tied teams are involved. If more than two teams tied, and one of the tied teams beat all other tied teams, that team shall advance. (c) The team with the better record against all common opponents. (d) A team that played an opponent with an effective nine (9) game schedule (non-recognized opponent, i.e., home school or out-of-state non-public school, or inability to schedule/play a 10th game) shall be seeded ahead of a school whose opponents play 10 game schedules. (e) Schools that played an opponent with nine-game schedules shall be seeded ahead of opponents who played 10-game schedules. (f) The team with the highest winning percentage against rating scale recognized opponents. (g) The team with the higher average rating of all of each team's opponents. (h) The team with the higher average rating of all of each team's VHSL public and VHSL non-public school opponents (i) The regional chairman, or his/her alternate if his/her school is involved, shall draw by lot to determine the playoff representative. (j) The group chairman or vice chairman if the chairman's school is involved, shall draw by lot to determine the playoff representative. Should both the group chair and vice chair be involved in the tie the group secretary would oversee the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionguy_2017 288 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: Here are the tie breakers, and I don't see "best overall record" in this year's handbook (a) The Rating Scale-Considering all regular season games played against public and non-public Virginia schools and scheduled in accordance with the provisions of 68-4-6. (b) The winner of any games between the two tied teams if only the tied teams are involved. If more than two teams tied, and one of the tied teams beat all other tied teams, that team shall advance. (c) The team with the better record against all common opponents. (d) A team that played an opponent with an effective nine (9) game schedule (non-recognized opponent, i.e., home school or out-of-state non-public school, or inability to schedule/play a 10th game) shall be seeded ahead of a school whose opponents play 10 game schedules. (e) Schools that played an opponent with nine-game schedules shall be seeded ahead of opponents who played 10-game schedules. (f) The team with the highest winning percentage against rating scale recognized opponents. (g) The team with the higher average rating of all of each team's opponents. (h) The team with the higher average rating of all of each team's VHSL public and VHSL non-public school opponents (i) The regional chairman, or his/her alternate if his/her school is involved, shall draw by lot to determine the playoff representative. (j) The group chairman or vice chairman if the chairman's school is involved, shall draw by lot to determine the playoff representative. Should both the group chair and vice chair be involved in the tie the group secretary would oversee the process. Goodness.... ? I don't understand why something like (d) is there and better overall record isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swva_havok_fan 1,261 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: Here are the tie breakers, and I don't see "best overall record" in this year's handbook (a) The Rating Scale-Considering all regular season games played against public and non-public Virginia schools and scheduled in accordance with the provisions of 68-4-6. (b) The winner of any games between the two tied teams if only the tied teams are involved. If more than two teams tied, and one of the tied teams beat all other tied teams, that team shall advance. (c) The team with the better record against all common opponents. (d) A team that played an opponent with an effective nine (9) game schedule (non-recognized opponent, i.e., home school or out-of-state non-public school, or inability to schedule/play a 10th game) shall be seeded ahead of a school whose opponents play 10 game schedules. (e) Schools that played an opponent with nine-game schedules shall be seeded ahead of opponents who played 10-game schedules. (f) The team with the highest winning percentage against rating scale recognized opponents. (g) The team with the higher average rating of all of each team's opponents. (h) The team with the higher average rating of all of each team's VHSL public and VHSL non-public school opponents (i) The regional chairman, or his/her alternate if his/her school is involved, shall draw by lot to determine the playoff representative. (j) The group chairman or vice chairman if the chairman's school is involved, shall draw by lot to determine the playoff representative. Should both the group chair and vice chair be involved in the tie the group secretary would oversee the process. So, with all this, it probably comes down to (g) and Richlands would get it based on their opponents having a bigger average I would guess. Unionguy_2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Dad 439 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Nice work, thanks! Two questions for clarity; VHS, Union, Graham, Ridgeview, and Marion are locked in the top 5, it's just a matter of who finishes where, correct? VHS' best case is #2 and worst case is #5? EDIT: Actually, could VHS lose their last 2, then be outpointed by the JSB/LEE winner if they were to win out? Edit x 2: I guess there would probably be a crazy scenario for VHS to finish #1, where Graham, Union, and Ridgeview loses out, and......I just stopped there. Kinda silly to bank on that much lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,155 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 When it comes to (g), I would imagine Richlands would get that nod, but won't know for sure until all the dust settles on the 3rd. And I guess (f) is the fancy term for "best overall record" now. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcityfootballfan 517 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Union_Fan said: All things being equal, I think Central/GC and Tazewell/Grundy determine the #1 seed. Even if Richlands loses to Va High. Sleeper games are Princeton/Brooke and Mo West/Bearden. The following is based on Central over GC, Va High over Richlands, Grundy over Tazewell, Princeton over Greenbrier, Brooke over Princeton, and Grayson losing their last 2. A tie for #1 between Union/Graham would go to Union for "best overall record". A tie between Union/Marion would come down to "highest average rating of all opponents". 1.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 2.) Graham 9-1 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 262 26.2 4.) Marion 9-1 249 24.9 5.) Va High 7-3 232 23.2 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Battle, John 5-5 190 19 8.) Central-Wise 3-7 176 17.6 8.) Richlands 3-7 176 17.6 10.) Grayson Co 4-6 174 17.4 11.) Tazewell 3-7 168 16.8 12.) Lebanon 2-8 149 14.9 13.) Gate City 0-10 134 13.4 If Marion beats Graham... 1.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 1.) Marion 10-0 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 262 26.2 4.) Graham 8-2 248 24.8 If Marion beats Graham and Abingdon beats Union... 1.) Marion 10-0 268 26.8 2.) Ridgeview 9-1 263 26.3 3.) Union 9-1 251 25.1 4.) Graham 8-2 248 24.8 If Graham beats Marion and Abingdon beats Union... 1.) Graham 9-1 268 26.8 2.) Ridgeview 9-1 263 26.3 3.) Union 9-1 251 25.1 4.) Marion 9-1 249 24.9 If Marion beats Graham, Va High beats Marion, and Abingdon beats Union... 1.) Ridgeview 9-1 263 26.3 2.) Va High 8-2 254 25.4 3.) Union 9-1 251 25.1 4.) Marion 9-1 250 25 If Tazewell beats Grundy and Lebanon 1.) Graham 9-1 270 27 2.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 260 26 4.) Marion 9-1 251 25.1 5.) Va High 7-3 234 23.4 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Battle, John 5-5 190 19 8.) Tazewell 4-6 185 18.5 If Tazewell beats Grundy, but Richlands beats Va High 1.) Union 10-0 270 27 2.) Graham 9-1 270 27 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 260 26 4.) Marion 9-1 251 25.1 5.) Va High 6-4 220 22 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Richlands 4-6 195 19.5 8.) Battle, John 5-5 189 18.9 If Tazewell beats Grundy, Richlands beats Va High, and Grayson beats Wythe. 1.) Union 10-0 270 27 2.) Graham 9-1 270 27 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 260 26 4.) Marion 9-1 251 25.1 5.) Va High 6-4 220 22 6.) Lee 6-4 211 21.1 7.) Richlands 4-6 195 19.5 8.) Grayson Co 5-5 191 19.1 If Va High beats Marion and Richlands, and Battle beats Lee 1.) Union 10-0 268 26.8 2.) Graham 9-1 268 26.8 3.) Ridgeview 9-1 262 26.2 4.) Va High 8-2 253 25.3 5.) Marion 8-2 231 23.1 6.) Battle, John 6-4 207 20.7 7.) Lee 5-5 195 19.5 8.) Central-Wise 3-7 177 17.7 9.) Richlands 3-7 176 17.6 Anything can happen over these next 2 weeks. Going to be EXCITING! Hopefully, I have no typos up there. Well done ... Go G-Men! Deleted Account and Union_Fan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,155 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bearcat Dad said: Nice work, thanks! Two questions for clarity; VHS, Union, Graham, Ridgeview, and Marion are locked in the top 5, it's just a matter of who finishes where, correct? VHS' best case is #2 and worst case is #5? EDIT: Actually, could VHS lose their last 2, then be outpointed by the JSB/LEE winner if they were to win out? Realistically speaking, yes, top 5 is locked. I think VHS is the only one vulnerable to dropping out of the top 5, and that would take losing their last 2 and Battle or Lee winning out like you said. Possibility......VHS can get the #1 spot by finishing 8-2 and Graham, Union, Ridgeview, and Marion were to lose at least 1 out of their last 2. 1.) Va High 8-2 254 25.4 2.) Union 9-1 250 25 3.) Marion 9-1 250 25 4.) Graham 8-2 249 24.9 5.) Ridgeview 8-2 247 24.7 Bearcat Dad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Dad 439 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Union_Fan said: Realistically speaking, yes, top 5 is locked. I think VHS is the only one vulnerable to dropping out of the top 5, and that would take losing their last 2 and Battle or Lee winning out like you said. Possibility......VHS can get the #1 spot by finishing 8-2 and Graham, Union, Ridgeview, and Marion were to lose at least 1 out of their last 2. 1.) Va High 8-2 254 25.4 2.) Union 9-1 250 25 3.) Marion 9-1 250 25 4.) Graham 8-2 249 24.9 5.) Ridgeview 8-2 247 24.7 Fantastic work, Union_Fan! If VHS meets Union in the playoffs, I'll buy you a drink. You've earned it after this work you've put in to keep everyone up to date. Lol Unionguy_2017 and Union_Fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu_bean 1,058 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Somebody is either bored at work or has entirely to much time on their hands lol I applaud the much work put into this and is nice to see the possibilities Union_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmode 8 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Would love to see this done for 1A. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose111874 967 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Is there anyway you could do maybe just the top 3 for 2a region c. Just curious if union will outpoint who comes out of that region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tru Blue 72 423 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Great work, thanks for the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearDawg 105 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, goose111874 said: Is there anyway you could do maybe just the top 3 for 2a region c. Just curious if union will outpoint who comes out of that region. There is a convo about this in the region C thread (I think that’s its location). Union has a solid shot at 10-0 and finishing with 270 power points. Payne four more but a big maybe. Seems like all region c teams were in the low to mid 260’s as best I remember. Hope that helps til he can run some numbers for that region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose111874 967 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, BearDawg said: There is a convo about this in the region C thread (I think that’s its location). Union has a solid shot at 10-0 and finishing with 270 power points. Payne four more but a big maybe. Seems like all region c teams were in the low to mid 260’s as best I remember. Hope that helps til he can run some numbers for that region. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVAgridiron 1,469 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, goose111874 said: Thanks for the info. In a perfect scenario the highest a C team can get is 266. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackWolf5 26 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 When it's all said and done will: 1 vs 8 2 vs 7 3 vs 6 4 vs 5 from region D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVAgridiron 1,469 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, BlackWolf5 said: When it's all said and done will: 1 vs 8 2 vs 7 3 vs 6 4 vs 5 from region D If you're asking then yes that is how it will play out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionguy_2017 288 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 These are gonna be some of the best playoff games in quite some time. Really looking forward to it no matter how it shakes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackWolf5 26 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Thanks SWVAgridiron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union_Fan 2,155 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 17 hours ago, goose111874 said: Is there anyway you could do maybe just the top 3 for 2a region c. Just curious if union will outpoint who comes out of that region. Only the top 2 are capable of outpointing the probable Region D winner. That would be Glenvar and Appomattox. Glenvar could max out at 270 pts for a rating of 27. Appo could max out at 249 pts, but that is divisible by 9 because their game with Fork Union doesn't count. That would be a rating of 27.6 So, technically it is possible if ALL games go their way. The guy from Gretna on preps seems to think that Glenvar will end up 26.8 and Appo at 26.778. He knows the teams out that way far better than me I'm sure, so let's hope that he's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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