Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bluefield researcher said: It happened a lot more than you think around the entire state. I have even found one 9-0-1 team that did not make the playoffs. Wow...I just hate the fact sub.500 teams make the playoffs...some over half the region's. I don't care who you play...if you can't beat any of them do you really "deserve" it? Some will say yes especially if their team is sub .500....but not me even if my team was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVAgridiron 1,469 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 52 minutes ago, Hokiebird7 said: Wow...I just hate the fact sub.500 teams make the playoffs...some over half the region's. I don't care who you play...if you can't beat any of them do you really "deserve" it? Some will say yes especially if their team is sub .500....but not me even if my team was I agree and disagree to an extent. If you beat 4 good 2A schools but lose the other 6 to 3A and 4A schools then I think you deserve to be in. Just my opinion. BlueRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Bluefield researcher said: It happened a lot more than you think around the entire state. I have even found one 9-0-1 team that did not make the playoffs. Make that three times. I forgot about the 1970 Patrick Henry Rebels of Glade Spring that finished 9-0-1 but did not go to the playoffs and John Handley of Winchester also 9-0-1 in 1970. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suit Up 82 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 In 04’ haysi Went 9-1 and missed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVAgridiron 1,469 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Suit Up said: In 04’ haysi Went 9-1 and missed out. Happened to Glenvar as well one year. Giles was their only loss and they didn't make it in but a 5-5 Grayson made it in. I like the way it is now with using the power points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I am making a list and I will post when I finish. 9-1 or better that missed the playoffs. SWVAgridiron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXSW 557 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I remember several 8-2 teams missing the playoffs, I believe Clintwood was the last from our area. There have been a few 9-1 teams and if memory serves me I believe one of the main reasons for the current playoff format was to try to eliminate that. In 1A and 2A in Tennessee there have been numerous no win teams and teams with 1 or 2 wins every year making the playoffs just to fill the brackets (which in itself is terrible). I am old school and if you don't win at least five games you shouldn't be in the playoffs! Hokiebird7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, SWVAgridiron said: Happened to Glenvar as well one year. Giles was their only loss and they didn't make it in but a 5-5 Grayson made it in. I like the way it is now with using the power points I don't have a problem using power points but I hate the fact 2-8 and 1-9 teams make the playoffs....too many teams make it IMO....cut each region to 4 or 6 I say SWVAgridiron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Teams that did not make the playoffs Teams that went 9-0-1 1970 9-0-1 Patrick Henry Glade Spring 1970 9-0-1 John Handley 1976 9-0-1 King George 1977 9-0-1 Armstrong 1981 9-0-1 Kempsville Teams that went 9-1 1970 9-1 G. W. Danville 1970 9-1 Hampton 1971 9-1 G. W. Danville 1971 9-1 Bassett 1971 9-1 Pennington 1971 9-1 James Wood 1971 9-1 James Monroe 1971 9-1 Homer Ferguson 1971 9-1 First Colonial 1972 9-1 Lane of Charlottesville 1972 9-1 Great Bridge 1973 9-1 Appalachia 1973 9-1 Gate City 1973 9-1 Glenvar 1973 9-1 Lexington 1973 9-1 James Wood 1973 9-1 Fauquier 1973 9-1 George Marshall 1973 9-1 Floyd Kellam 1973 9-1 Lake Taylor 1974 9-1 Riverheads 1974 9-1 Loudoun Valley 1974 9-1 Gar-Field 1974 9-1 Highland Springs 1974 9-1 Park View South Hill 1974 9-1 Annandale 1974 9-1 Lafayette 1974 9-1 I. C. Norcom 1975 9-1 Bath County 1975 9-1 Rustburg 1975 9-1 Woodbridge 1975 9-1 Lee-Davis 1975 9-1 Midlothian 1975 9-1 Menchville 1976 9-1 Radford 1976 9-1 Denbigh 1977 9-1 Virginia High 1977 9-1 Bassett 1977 9-1 J. J. Kelly 1977 9-1 Highland Springs 1977 9-1 First Colonial 1978 9-1 J. J. Kelly 1978 9-1 James River Buchanan 1978 9-1 Mount Vernon 1978 9-1 Lafayette 1979 9-1 G. W. Danville 1980 9-1 Culpeper County 1980 9-1 James Madison 1980 9-1 W. T. Woodson 1981 9-1 Hurley 1983 9-1 W. T. Woodson 1984 9-1 Salem 1984 9-1 Galax 1984 9-1 James Robinson 1985 9-1 Mount Vernon 1986 9-1 Oakton 1987 9-1 Bath County 1991 9-1 Goochland 1992 9-1 Robert E. Lee Springfield 1993 9-1 G. W. Danville 1998 9-1 Heritage Newport News 2000 9-1 Patrick Henry Ashland 2003 9-1 Honaker 2003 9-1 Monacan 2003 9-1 Hermitage 2004 9-1 Haysi 2004 9-1 George Wythe Wytheville 2005 9-1 Varina 2006 9-1 Glenvar 2006 9-1 Liberty Bealeton 2009 9-1 Meadowbrook 2011 9-1 Meadowbrook Teams that went 8-1 1971 8-1 Natural Bridge 1971 8-1 Brentsville District 1980 8-1 Woodrow Wilson This only includes schools that I have researched which is now about 95% of Virginia. cityofRaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhead24219 440 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Yeah I agree, in regions that have sub 500 records there should be byes, but we should also remember that Jonesville, and Appalachia both won state after going 5-5 for the regular season, due mostly getting healthy at the end of the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,195 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 G. W. Danville has had four seasons where they went 9-1 but did not make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, SXSW said: I remember several 8-2 teams missing the playoffs, I believe Clintwood was the last from our area. There have been a few 9-1 teams and if memory serves me I believe one of the main reasons for the current playoff format was to try to eliminate that. In 1A and 2A in Tennessee there have been numerous no win teams and teams with 1 or 2 wins every year making the playoffs just to fill the brackets (which in itself is terrible). I am old school and if you don't win at least five games you shouldn't be in the playoffs! 1984 PV...8-2, only 2 losses coming in weeks 2 and 3. Couldn't win the district with 2 district losses, so they didn't get in. But, IMO they didn't deserve to get in over the programs that beat them (and only one of those could go). Bottom line, if you aren't the top team in your division in your district, you don't have a gripe if you miss the playoffs. SXSW and Hokiebird7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, jarhead24219 said: Yeah I agree, in regions that have sub 500 records there should be byes, but we should also remember that Jonesville, and Appalachia both won state after going 5-5 for the regular season, due mostly getting healthy at the end of the year Yes and Blacksburg did last year...still don't mean they deserved to be in when playoffs start IMO Of course looking at it after the fact Wonder how many sub .500 Or teams at .500 at start of playoffs win state title or even played in title game? And compared to those same type teams that got destroyed in first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 40 minutes ago, sup_rbeast said: 1984 PV...8-2, only 2 losses coming in weeks 2 and 3. Couldn't win the district with 2 district losses, so they didn't get in. But, IMO they didn't deserve to get in over the programs that beat them (and only one of those could go). Bottom line, if you aren't the top team in your division in your district, you don't have a gripe if you miss the playoffs. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 The whole problem with the playoff system in VA now is over-inclusion, plain and simple. The pre-2010 system was equally as poor, wherein multitudes of 8+ win teams got shafted because some team like Rye Cove would win its awful district with a 5-5 record. Adding an extra week in 2010 literally doubled the number of teams that made the postseason in most districts, and that's far too many. I like the four-region system now, but just half the number of playoff teams. Neither Lee County nor Grayson County (currently 7th and 8th in 2D) should sniff a playoff berth. A Top 4 of Union, Graham, Marion, and Ridgeview/VHS seems an accurate fit for rewarding play and performance thus far. sup_rbeast, BigWinners and starcityfootballfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: The whole problem with the playoff system in VA now is over-inclusion, plain and simple. The pre-2010 system was equally as poor, wherein multitudes of 8+ win teams got shafted because some team like Rye Cove would win its awful district with a 5-5 record. Adding an extra week in 2010 literally doubled the number of teams that made the postseason in most districts, and that's far too many. I like the four-region system now, but just half the number of playoff teams. Neither Lee County nor Grayson County (currently 7th and 8th in 2D) should sniff a playoff berth. A Top 4 of Union, Graham, Marion, and Ridgeview/VHS seems an accurate fit for rewarding play and performance thus far. At the very most, take 6 per region with the first week pitting 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 for the right for the lowest seed to go to 1 and the other to 2 the following week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumpet1988 289 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 It’s just how it sometimes works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityofRaven 2,444 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 If they make the playoffs and don't deserve to be there than they'll be one and done. If they deserve to be there then they'll advance. Hokie57, trumpet1988, Deleted Account and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokiebird7 1,416 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, cityofRaven said: If they make the playoffs and don't deserve to be there than they'll be one and done. If they deserve to be there then they'll advance. Yea I guess that's the right way to look at it hahaha Sheesh cityofRaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dookthecook 56 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Rube gal says let em all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwhscoachT 162 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I don't see any positives from a playoff system with 4 teams or less. Nostalgia is not a valid arguement. Injuries is not a valid arguement as they affect both. Better games? They still happen just a week or two later. Saying a team deserves or doesn't deserve is idiotic, let them play IF THEY HAVE A WINNING record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 7 hours ago, UVAObserver said: The whole problem with the playoff system in VA now is over-inclusion, plain and simple. The pre-2010 system was equally as poor, wherein multitudes of 8+ win teams got shafted because some team like Rye Cove would win its awful district with a 5-5 record. Adding an extra week in 2010 literally doubled the number of teams that made the postseason in most districts, and that's far too many. I like the four-region system now, but just half the number of playoff teams. Neither Lee County nor Grayson County (currently 7th and 8th in 2D) should sniff a playoff berth. A Top 4 of Union, Graham, Marion, and Ridgeview/VHS seems an accurate fit for rewarding play and performance thus far. Lee isn't horrible at all this season, they are pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 hours ago, TwhscoachT said: I don't see any positives from a playoff system with 4 teams or less. Nostalgia is not a valid arguement. Injuries is not a valid arguement as they affect both. Better games? They still happen just a week or two later. Saying a team deserves or doesn't deserve is idiotic, let them play IF THEY HAVE A WINNING record. The way I see it, there is already a 10 game regular season...and results determine who gets in. Why should one of the top few teams have to prove themselves once again in a game with a team who clearly is less deserving and risk an injury to a key player? In high school football every regular season game should be huge. The way it is now, teams get in who shouldn’t...it is especially pronounced in 1A. At most, as I said earlier, allow 6. Have the 4 bottom seeds play one another and give byes to the top 2. That way, the top teams don’t run the risk of the scenario described above and if a team really belongs, they’ll advance to face one of the top 2. That’s a decent compromise for those who only think 4 should make it and those who want more teams in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 7 hours ago, BigWinners said: Lee isn't horrible at all this season, they are pretty good. I never said they were "horrible". I said that they aren't worthy of a playoff spot in a legitimate system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwhscoachT 162 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 8 hours ago, sup_rbeast said: The way I see it, there is already a 10 game regular season...and results determine who gets in. Why should one of the top few teams have to prove themselves once again in a game with a team who clearly is less deserving and risk an injury to a key player? In high school football every regular season game should be huge. The way it is now, teams get in who shouldn’t...it is especially pronounced in 1A. At most, as I said earlier, allow 6. Have the 4 bottom seeds play one another and give byes to the top 2. That way, the top teams don’t run the risk of the scenario described above and if a team really belongs, they’ll advance to face one of the top 2. That’s a decent compromise for those who only think 4 should make it and those who want more teams in. Injuries are injuries, Proving yourself again are what the playoffs are all about. Why run away from competition (1a aside)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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