chipinbogey

The irony here is rich.  I can go for hours just on the shit I've seen in Peterstown and Lindside.  You trying to ride that donkey of an argument like a thoroughbred.  Seabuiscut, it is not.

If Bluefield College ever turned out 250 to one of their games, it'd would be a team record. I've done some of their games and swear I've counted no more than 80 at any of them.  

If Bluefield College ever turned out 250 to one of their games, it'd would be a team record. I've done some of their games and swear I've counted no more than 80 at any of them.  

If Bluefield College ever turned out 250 to one of their games, it'd would be a team record. I've done some of their games and swear I've counted no more than 80 at any of them.  

It could be a great year to be an official from a $$ perspective.  Also to be a new person trying to break in. A lot of older officials may not return due to COVID concerns thinning and already super thin group.  Fri/Sat options may allow for better access to 5 man crews for games where I have been concerned everyone may see a lot of 4 man crews due to numbers.  Got to have fans to pay for them though.  Thats going to be a sticky part of the equation. 

Poca is the most bewildering team I’ve ever seen.  They’re either winning state titles in bunches or in the midst of a 150-game losing streak.  Zero in between. Always found that odd.

Lee was never a member of the SWD.  They successfully appealed to drop to Group A when the Highlands District went belly up.  But a lot of SWD scheduled games with the Generals in a show of magnanimity.   Just FYI....

There're several teams from the former LPD that would agree. 

I wished the Richlands/Salem game would become an ESPN 30 for 30 doc.  I would watch every single day. 😄

And we get more from those capitals than our own. The last time Richmond cared about this end of the state, the Native Americas were still the majority land owner. 

This board has been a much better place since he last logged in.

I hate that they move these games now. I played in a mud pit in the region d championship game in 2003 @ Lawson Fitchko. We lost but it was cold, muddy and on a saturday. Playoff football in the coalfields. How its meant to be.

Actually, it's the commissioner of the representing officials association, and both principals in a fighting or misconduct situation.It must be a unanimous decision between those 3 parties either way. 
However, we're simply required to submit the game report with the ejection noted. In a targeting situation, the guideline is it MUST be flagrant per the NFHS rule book to result in a disqualification. There is no subsequent suspension either for targeting, just the remainder of the contest.

Actually, it's the commissioner of the representing officials association, and both principals in a fighting or misconduct situation.It must be a unanimous decision between those 3 parties either way. 
However, we're simply required to submit the game report with the ejection noted. In a targeting situation, the guideline is it MUST be flagrant per the NFHS rule book to result in a disqualification. There is no subsequent suspension either for targeting, just the remainder of the contest.

This is cringe worthy stuff. There's the right way to do things, and the wrong way. This is not the right way. 

This is cringe worthy stuff. There's the right way to do things, and the wrong way. This is not the right way. 

I like how you quote only the part to support your argument and take my statement completely out of context. I truly hope you enjoyed whatever game you attended tonight, and the officiating was up to your high standards. See 1instripes replies above because I could not say it any better. 
 
But just for craps and laughs, I kept up for my compensation for you tonight. I left my job on the southern end of our territory at 4:00, and I arrived on site at around 6:20. As a crew, we had a pregame discussion and dressed to be on the field at 7:00 for a 7:30 kick. We were off the field at 9:38, and I got in my vehicle, at 10:01. By the time I made into traffic it was 10:10. I made one stop for a cup of coffee and arrived at my home at 12:06. We’ll call it 8 hours. So that’s $10 an hour roughly. Now take into account I spent $30 on fuel, and $6.83 at a Subway on the way to eat something semi-healthy. Luckily the site I was at takes very good care of officials and we could have anything we wanted at halftime from the concession stand. However, with the nature of the job, I chose not to partake and only have 2 bottles of water. So I’m at $44.17, after what most would consider necessary expenses to perform my duties, I’m at $5.52 an hour. 
I’m not complaining because I love what I do. The atmosphere, the players, the coaches, and the guys I work with week in and week out. I am just trying to make you see the vast majority of us are not in it for the money, but to go back to your original statement that we’re overpaid is the most disrespectful thing I’ve ever had said to me in my brief time as an official. 
I am finished with this discussion as I get to have roughly 4 hours of sleep (after I wait for my washing machine to cycle so I can put my gear in the dryer) before I am up and on the road to a college site I report to for a 1:00 kickoff tomorrow a couple of area codes away. 

The pay isnt good enough to entice more people to work I will say that.  You get paid more to run the clock in NET than you are paid to work on the field in SWVA.   I do know its tough on some schools to pay officials also.  Especially if they do not have large crowds as there are plenty of expenses to cover.  We have good officials.  We have bad officials.  Most are there trying to get better.  That being said about $25 an hour just doesnt know what all is involved.  Lets say the game starts at 7.  You should be on the clock so to speak at 5:30, as an hour and a half before the game you should arrive on site so that is one less concern for the schools administration.  On average a game will not finish until 9:30, but then you will want to discuss any questions/concerns post game also.  Getting out at 10 is about as early as you will begin to head home.  So, lets say you are on the job for 4.5 hours to be accurate for what schools are expecting of you. so to be accurate, sure 18.89 is what officials make per hour while "ON THE CLOCK".   Slightly above what a growing portion of the country wants McDonalds employees to make.  As was mentioned above, some places do a great job of taking care of officials ( I miss Appalachia, no one was better at that than Carol Sabotes).  Some not so much, as water is all we ask them to obligate for those working games, and I have been places where that hasn't taken place before but its very rare.  The AOA is the largest geographic association in VA I am pretty sure as well.  I like going to different schools but certain trips definitely do not leave you very profitable in this vocation. 

Legitimately one of the most trash takes I've ever seen. These guys don't get paid enough for what they do. Maybe one day they'll go away and you can't go watch high school sports at all and you'll wish you had been a little nicer behind a keyboard.

Thank you for all that you do. Also 1inStripes. I know he isn't reffing right now, but the two of you do the Lord's work on gamenights/days. I can't imagine the abuse you get from every school you go to -- be it fans or players or coaches. And you don't get enough thanks and praise. 
So don't listen to him. He's clearly ignorant on the subject and just doesn't get it. Thanks for what you do to help us have this amazing thing to go to and talk about all week. 

For good reason too. Coaches don’t have to retain all of the rules like we do. We get asked every game by them about a ruling, or a clarification. We have to do this while being yelled at while being screamed at by the very coach you are trying to help.
We’re also ultimately responsible for the safety of the players at all times when on the field. In today’s litigious society, we are accepting a lot of risk if the worst happens and are at fault. I understand we get what seems to be an absolute astronomical amount to you, but based on your comments, you have absolutely no idea the time commitment involved that we do not get paid for and we get that fee once a week. It’s not every day. This isn’t just a local issue either. There’s a national shortage of us. That’s means we are in demand. If numbers around here do not improve over the next 10 years, we simply will not have enough to cover our area games.
A simple solution would be to expand to 7 man crews so that we can have more eyes on the field. Guess why we can’t? What’s your solution? If the money is so great, come on out and join us please. We’d love to have you. 
 
FWIW, at my day job I do get mileage, and a clothing allowance. The time away from my family is expected, but still compensated for fairly. 

Highly compensated huh? Are you taking into account travel expenses, time away from our day jobs and families, association fees, uniforms? It all adds up. I’ve accepted the criticism, harsh comments and wacky schedule from day 1 and embrace it for what it is. We do it because we love the game. The rule book reads like a legal document. Some work harder than others to grasp it and in the heat of the moment, we’re asked to recall something in our brain verbatim. Even the D-1 guys get tangled up, so give us the break instead. 

For good reason too. Coaches don’t have to retain all of the rules like we do. We get asked every game by them about a ruling, or a clarification. We have to do this while being yelled at while being screamed at by the very coach you are trying to help.
We’re also ultimately responsible for the safety of the players at all times when on the field. In today’s litigious society, we are accepting a lot of risk if the worst happens and are at fault. I understand we get what seems to be an absolute astronomical amount to you, but based on your comments, you have absolutely no idea the time commitment involved that we do not get paid for and we get that fee once a week. It’s not every day. This isn’t just a local issue either. There’s a national shortage of us. That’s means we are in demand. If numbers around here do not improve over the next 10 years, we simply will not have enough to cover our area games.
A simple solution would be to expand to 7 man crews so that we can have more eyes on the field. Guess why we can’t? What’s your solution? If the money is so great, come on out and join us please. We’d love to have you. 
 
FWIW, at my day job I do get mileage, and a clothing allowance. The time away from my family is expected, but still compensated for fairly. 

For good reason too. Coaches don’t have to retain all of the rules like we do. We get asked every game by them about a ruling, or a clarification. We have to do this while being yelled at while being screamed at by the very coach you are trying to help.
We’re also ultimately responsible for the safety of the players at all times when on the field. In today’s litigious society, we are accepting a lot of risk if the worst happens and are at fault. I understand we get what seems to be an absolute astronomical amount to you, but based on your comments, you have absolutely no idea the time commitment involved that we do not get paid for and we get that fee once a week. It’s not every day. This isn’t just a local issue either. There’s a national shortage of us. That’s means we are in demand. If numbers around here do not improve over the next 10 years, we simply will not have enough to cover our area games.
A simple solution would be to expand to 7 man crews so that we can have more eyes on the field. Guess why we can’t? What’s your solution? If the money is so great, come on out and join us please. We’d love to have you. 
 
FWIW, at my day job I do get mileage, and a clothing allowance. The time away from my family is expected, but still compensated for fairly. 

For good reason too. Coaches don’t have to retain all of the rules like we do. We get asked every game by them about a ruling, or a clarification. We have to do this while being yelled at while being screamed at by the very coach you are trying to help.
We’re also ultimately responsible for the safety of the players at all times when on the field. In today’s litigious society, we are accepting a lot of risk if the worst happens and are at fault. I understand we get what seems to be an absolute astronomical amount to you, but based on your comments, you have absolutely no idea the time commitment involved that we do not get paid for and we get that fee once a week. It’s not every day. This isn’t just a local issue either. There’s a national shortage of us. That’s means we are in demand. If numbers around here do not improve over the next 10 years, we simply will not have enough to cover our area games.
A simple solution would be to expand to 7 man crews so that we can have more eyes on the field. Guess why we can’t? What’s your solution? If the money is so great, come on out and join us please. We’d love to have you. 
 
FWIW, at my day job I do get mileage, and a clothing allowance. The time away from my family is expected, but still compensated for fairly.